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 Post subject: Streetcar shell behind Lombard Street Bridge at BSM
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 4:09 pm 

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Driving my kid to school, I noticed there is a wooden Streetcar body behind the long landlocked Bollman truss bridge, in front of the the ex MAPA roundhouse near the Baltimore Streetcar museum.

What's it's story?
And, I heard a story as a kid that the frame of MAPA locomotive #6 was left in the weeds near the bridge, but have never had a chance to look.
I'm guessing that it was hauled out, years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Streetcar shell behind Lombard Street Bridge at BSM
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:16 pm 

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A bit off topic, but it's interesting that the frames of Ma & Pa 6 were near a bridge. Any more details with this?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:05 pm 
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What you are seeing is whats left of car 7069. 7069 was part of a 1920 delivery of 100 steel trailers intended to be hauled by Baltimore's semi convertible cars. The semi's were underpowered for this and the trailers were used on routes that were mostly flat. After about 10 years the trailers were taken out of service. Most were scrapped but a few were sold and used as road side diners and other things. 7069 was sold and used as a fruit and vegetable stand out on Reisterstown Rd near Owings Mills. BSM later got it but it was in such bad shape as far as i know there are no plans to restore it. More recently another trailer in much better shape and built into the inside of a building was found out in the Essex/ Middle River area and BSM may get that car.

I have no idea when or how BSM got the bridge. I've never heard about Ma & Pa's No. 6 frame being there but given the huge dirt pile on that side of the roundhouse who knows.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:33 pm 

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:57 pm 

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hankmum wrote:
I have no idea when or how BSM got the bridge. I've never heard about Ma & Pa's No. 6 frame being there but given the huge dirt pile on that side of the roundhouse who knows.


I have never heard the allegations about the remains of Ma & Pa 6 being buried there in 25 years of being around there and working with BSM and Baltimore railfans.

The BSM, as far as I know, does not own the Lombard Street Bridge--I believe it's still City property, whether the City knows it or not. It was disassembled around 1975 for replacement, and the trusses were moved "temporarily" to City of Baltimore property on the old Ma & Pa right-of-way property which the City had acquired years earlier, and upon which the then-new Baltimore Streetcar Museum was being expanded. (That R-O-W is STILL owned by the City and leased to the BSM, BTW.) The thought was, apparently, that since the bridge itself once handled streetcars, it could be incorporated into any expansion or future relocation of the Museum (in 1972 they had just survived Tropical Storm Agnes and would get hit by T.S. David in 1979, so there has always been at least some consideration given to relocating the BSM out of that flood plain--but never any good idea as to where). I'm certain by now that if anyone ever came up with any sound proposal for adaptive reuse of the bridge AND funding to support it, it would be considered by the same city officials that have no idea it's still there...........

https://apps.mht.maryland.gov/nr/NRDetail.aspx?NRID=98


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:57 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
hankmum wrote:
I have no idea when or how BSM got the bridge. I've never heard about Ma & Pa's No. 6 frame being there but given the huge dirt pile on that side of the roundhouse who knows.


I have never heard the allegations about the remains of Ma & Pa 6 being buried there in 25 years of being around there and working with BSM and Baltimore railfans.

The BSM, as far as I know, does not own the Lombard Street Bridge--I believe it's still City property, whether the City knows it or not. It was disassembled around 1975 for replacement, and the trusses were moved "temporarily" to City of Baltimore property on the old Ma & Pa right-of-way property which the City had acquired years earlier, and upon which the then-new Baltimore Streetcar Museum was being expanded. (That R-O-W is STILL owned by the City and leased to the BSM, BTW.) The thought was, apparently, that since the bridge itself once handled streetcars, it could be incorporated into any expansion or future relocation of the Museum (in 1972 they had just survived Tropical Storm Agnes and would get hit by T.S. David in 1979, so there has always been at least some consideration given to relocating the BSM out of that flood plain--but never any good idea as to where). I'm certain by now that if anyone ever came up with any sound proposal for adaptive reuse of the bridge AND funding to support it, it would be considered by the same city officials that have no idea it's still there...........

https://apps.mht.maryland.gov/nr/NRDetail.aspx?NRID=98


I think I heard it from some railfans in union Bridge on one of the MMID railfan trips on the walkersville line, mid 80s. They said that a bunch of junk got piled up, after 58, behind the roundhouse.
And the frame was part of it. I seem to recall the history of maps book said the frame did stick around after it was scrapped.
Iirc, they also said the PCC cars there (that would go to winebar) were for use on the ex prr line in frederick.

The story I heard for Lombard street Bridge was it was to be used somewhere over the Jones falls, but Corp of engineers wouldn't let it.


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