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 Post subject: Finis for Knox & Kane/KK&Kinzua?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:19 pm 

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The Bradford (Pa.) Era newspaper reports that the end is at hand for the Knox & Kane's excursion operations. Article reposted below because the Era's website doesn't allow the option of linking to the article, nor is it online for any length of time.

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Saturday, April 9, 2005
Kinzua train rides may not be offered again
By MARCIE SCHELLHAMMER/ Era Reporter

After 17 years of offering train rides to Kinzua Bridge State Park -- 15 of which offered rides across the historic Kinzua Viaduct -- the Knox & Kane Railroad is likely ending its travels to the park.

"There are no definite decisions made yet," Sloan Cornell, owner of the railroad, said on Friday. "We're hoping to do something with that bridge."

However, the manager of the state park said the service will not be offered this summer.

"The train will not be running this year," explained Barrett Clark, Bendigo State Park Complex manager for the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources.

He explained the park's secretary had called about making a reservation for the trip and was told the train would not be running this year. He added that was all the information he had.

Cornell made no comment about the plans for this year, saying only that no final decision has been reached.

"If we decide not to run, it will be permanent," he said.

"We've been getting a lot of calls," he added, saying people express interest in the trip.

But business has certainly declined since the bridge first closed to train traffic in 2002 and since a tornado felled 11 towers on the viaduct in July of 2003.

"If they can't ride across the bridge, they don't want to come," Cornell said of the people who had made the trip in the past. Due to the decline in business and some family problems, the excursion "doesn't look like" it will continue, he added.

"There was very low train attendance last year, with an average of 14 people per trip," Clark said. "The years preceding showed an average of 34 per trip."

Linda Devlin, executive director of the Allegheny National Forest Vacation Bureau, explained that she was also notified that the train would not be running this year.

"The loss of the train excursion will directly impact the visitation into our region," Devlin said. "The Knox & Kane train excursion has been our largest motorcoach/group tour attraction.

"We hope that this is only a temporary situation and that our area does not lose this vital tourism business permanently," she added.

Mary Ann Burggraf, executive director of the Kinzua Bridge Foundation, also expressed her dismay at the loss of the train.

She referred to it as "another setback to the Kinzua Bridge State Park along with a negative impact to tourism in the area."

The train made its maiden voyage across the viaduct Aug. 7, 1987. It was stopped in August of 2002 because an inspection revealed conditional problems with the viaduct. It was permitted to travel to the park, off load passengers to walk across the viaduct and travel back to the Kane station.

After further inspections in late summer of 2002, the DCNR closed the bridge to pedestrians as well.

Contractors W.M. Brode & Co. from Ohio were hired to restore the bridge and began work in early 2003. The contractors were working on July 21, 2003, and had stopped when weather conditions began to worsen.

Several of them were still present at the park when the tornado came through, blowing down 11 towers on the bridge.

The contractors stayed on after the bridge's collapse, stabilizing some of the more dangerous parts of the bridge's debris.

Meanwhile, no major improvements have begun with the debris of the viaduct or the surroundings. Several of the improvements made have been aesthetic or with safety in mind.

On Friday, Burggraf and Clark both commented on the need for the state to release capital budget funds to work on improvements at the park.

The DCNR is awaiting the release of $700,000 from last year's state capital budget for the design phase of park improvements. There is another $6.3 million allocated for specific improvements at the park.

The agency plans a visitor/interpretive center at the park, rehabilitation of the remaining nine towers the addition of a hiking path through the gorge around the debris field and plans for infrastructure improvements at the park.

Clark said on Friday that currently, crews are working to replace the plumbing inside the restroom at the park, adding more split-rail fencing, installing a new bulletin board at the kiosk, planting some additional trees, fixing the paved walkway and parking area and are "sprucing up" the park in general.


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 Post subject: Re: Finis for Knox & Kane/KK&Kinzua?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:53 am 

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I visited with Sloan two weeks ago and he indicated at that they had not decided yet about operating excursions this year; however my general impression was that they were unlikely to do so.

The return of trains over Kinzua Viaduct in 1987 was one of the more remarkable and less heralded accomplishments of railroad preservation in our time. It was no small achievement; Sloan had to purchase right of way and build four miles of track to reach the bridge.

The collaspe of Kinzua Viaduct was a tragic loss; Sloan has since suffered two great personal losses with the death of his son, Jim, last fall, and the passing of his wife of sixty years, Clara, last month.

Alan Maples


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 Post subject: Knox, Kane & Kinzua Passenger and Freight Car Roster ?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 1:51 pm 

Hello all,

Does anyone here have a complete passenger car roster for this railroad and for Sloan Cornell's collection? If the line will be closed there may be some opporunities to preserve some/all of this equipment - however this can only be done with advance planning which interested parties should start doing now.

I know that he has some LIRR P-54 'ping-pong' coaches (are these the best surviviors of their type?) and a Delaware & Hudson wood coach that was used in local service out of Carbondale, PA.

Anyone have numbers, remarks on current condition, intactness of historic fabric, etc.?

Many thanks,
Tom Cornillie


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Knox, Kane & Kinzua Passenger and Freight Car Roster
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:34 pm 

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Tom Cornillie said, "Does anyone have a complete passenger car roster for this railroad and for Sloan Cornell's collection? If the line will be closed there may be some opporunities to preserve some/all of this equipment - however this can only be done with advance planning which interested parties should start doing now."


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 Post subject: Re: Finis for Knox & Kane/KK&Kinzua?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:45 pm 

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Am I the only one who sees another "George Hart" saga here?

If this is true, that they may be closing, will it just fade away or will there be some sort of celebration of what Sloan has done over the years?

If I am not mistaken Sloan started Penn View Mt. Railroad with the #76. After several years, he moved operations to Gettysburg and while operating that line, also started up the K&K. He managed to save the only Huntington & Broad Top engine remaining (#38) after LA&L discontinued their passenger operations. (was he involved with that operation as well?)

Maybe their track record isn't the best (Re:1278) and their equipment might not be top notch, but Sloan deserves quite a bit of credit for preservation and operations of early tourist railroads.


Had it not been for him, would the Kinzua Viaduct have stood all the years it did? Sure it was a park, but attention was not brought to it to the extent of recent years (15 years +/-) of the K&K's operation. It was the railroad that brought bus loads of tourist into that park....

This shouldnt just be allowed to pass without some acknowledgement.


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 Post subject: Re: Finis for Knox & Kane/KK&Kinzua?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:20 pm 

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I have contemplated more than once the need to commit Sloan Cornell’s story to writing. Sloan is a very private man, protective of his family and his business interests. His long career has experienced everything from triumph to tragedy. He has owned at least seven steam locomotives of five wheel arrangements, diesels of almost every make and model, countless passenger and freight cars, one private tourist railroad, and three common carrier freight railroads. In many ways the Knox & Kane is the spiritual successor to the long gone backwoods short lines and logging railroads that once crisscrossed northwest Pennsylvania. Engines and cars are by their nature portable, but Sloan made entire railroads intinerant, picking up and moving rails, ties, turntables, depots and enginehouses when business opportunities beckoned. Only someone like Sloan would have the audacity and determination to build a mountain railroad where none existed (Penn View Mountain, with steep grades and switchbacks) or to relay track to Kinzua Viaduct, a costly undertaking that he embarked on to save his Knox & Kane after freight traffic to the local glass plants dried up. He mixes remarkable ingenuity with an odd practicality, producing such results as an open excursion car fabricated from a bi-level auto rack – as popular with tourists as it was visually unappealing to railfans. Sloan has experienced the highs and lows that accompany dealing with the public, enthusiasts, vendors, neighbors, public officials, and with those of questionable motives. He has weathered many storms, including the accident at Gettysburg and all of its implications. His is an interesting story, hopefully one to be told in more detail someday.

Alan Maples


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