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 Post subject: N. American A-4's on "Humongous Moves"
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:01 pm 

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Since nobody else bothered to mention this, thought I would. Tonight (Sunday) at 9 pm Eastern, the Smithsonian Channel's program Humongous Moves will show the moving of British A-4 Pacifics Dominion of Canada and Dwight D. Eisenhower from North America to the UK for the Great Gathering.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:28 am 

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I watched it. It wasn't bad by modern TV documentary standards (which is to say I didn't have to hide the remote to avoid uncontrollably changing the channel). I liked the computer graphics showing all of the potential disasters that could happen, like knocking the Green Bay Museum to the ground, or dropping the engine in the harbor, and how the Big Boy turned into the NYC Hudson without a lead truck every time it showed up on the computer screen.

It was interesting how standardized the techniques for moving locomotives are. Virtually everything that was done was familiar to me from past moves we have done on cooperation with Mike Venezia, though the eight wheel, 100 ton trailer for loading onto the ship was a new one.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:44 am 

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I hope I'm not hijacking the thread. I've only been involved in one ship loading where multiple rebuilt SD-40's were loaded on a ship for a trip to the middle east, along with a couple of containers of spare parts. I remember being astound at how deep the holds went below the water level. In any case, I will cheerfully admit that the pucker factor was significant. Still, all went well, and we went home happy and the ship sailed. Sadly, the operation didn't go quite as smoothly on the other end, when one of the locomotives was dropped five or six feet, upon unloading, when the timber cradle under one of the trucks gave way. At least, that's what I was told. I later heard that the unit had been repaired, but never did hear how long the repair took or what it cost. Lifting locomotives, whether on land or onto ships, is certainly not for the faint of heart. That's for sure.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:57 am 

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Most of you have probably seen this one, but if not, check it out.

Model railroaders aren't the only ones who drop brand new locomotives. Here we see a brand new EMD GT46C-ACe dropping about 20 feet onto concrete. It didn't end well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyIrsZ7Zhs


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:01 pm 

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BTW, if you've seen the episode of "Monster Moves" back in 2013 where they featured this move, you have already seen this show.

They've used the same concept as you used to see with coffee table train books, take the same content, put a new title on it, and sell it again!

"LNER A4 Pacific's numbers 60008 Dwight D. Eisenhower & 60010 Dominion of Canada need moving from their museums in Canada and America to the National Railway Museum in York to take part in the 75th Anniversary celebration's of sister engine Mallard's speed record of 126mph which was set back in 1938."


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:30 pm 

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Given the risk to the artifacts and the expense I can't see why anyone would do this.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:36 pm 
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John T wrote:
Given the risk to the artifacts and the expense I can't see why anyone would do this.
Me neither. The compensation for the loan and promises for if the locos were lost somewhere along the way must have been substantial.
Beats me how you could even underwrite for something like that.
Remember the Chinese locomotive that was bound for the US but lost in the Bay of Bengal when the ship sank?
Talk about a pucker factor when these locos were on the water...

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John T wrote:
Given the risk to the artifacts and the expense I can't see why anyone would do this.

The Brits are magnitudes ahead of us when it comes to historic advocacy, awareness, and restorations. What seems inconceivable to us Yanks is just an ambitious project to them.

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Brilliant response Kelly, they are light years ahead of us in terms of restoration, ambition, and sheer enthusiasm for heritage......the response to havig the locos back in the UK was truly staggering and well worth any risks involved.

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the response to havig the locos back in the UK was truly staggering and well worth any risks involved.


When I visited NRM a representative said there were thousands of visitors each day the A4 exhibition was going on- at both Swindon and York. Plus both of the North American locos are now in far better condition thanks to their journey.

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car57 wrote:
the response to havig the locos back in the UK was truly staggering and well worth any risks involved.
To the Brits, no doubt. But I bet to the two museums who owned the non-UK locomotives, I bet it was a nail-biting experience every moment while they were ‘on the water’…

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They are safer on the water than going down the highway - as are we all.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:31 pm 
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Dave wrote:
They are safer on the water than going down the highway - as are we all.
But even more safe inside the structures they were in before being hauled to the boat.
Clearly, the museums considered the risk worth it but I can't help but wonder what kind of insurance policy existed for a disaster at sea and who carried the policy?

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To museums over here British Locomotives are just curiosities no more no less, lets not pretend they are incredibly important to the museums they were donated to.

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They must have some significance, as Green Bay reportedly turned down an offer of $1 million to leave the loco in Britain.


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