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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:41 am 

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I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the L&N's "Big Emma" 2-8-4 tenders. At one time, it seemed like every one of these ever built was still around. IIRC Norfolk Southern acquired at least a couple of them for use as auxiliary tenders on excursions, and I think Ross had a couple as well.

Anybody have a count on how many of these survive?

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:31 pm 

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Here are 3 more that Len sent me
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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:17 pm 

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I must admit I've been a little obsessed with recycled tenders as they exist in the post mainline steam era. Here are several pics from George Elwood's Fallen Flags site (a great place). I'm sorry I don't have much info on these, but you guys may find them interesting nonetheless. The latest one, at least according to the caption on George's site, is from 1988. Only the Lord knows how many of these were scrapped since they're usefulness was up the second time, or were recycled again as one of the current aux. tenders for tourist/fantrip steam. I think you'd be hard pressed to find one in its element nowadays - I mean these birds have to be 50+ years old, easily. God bless. Seth

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co940205m.jpg
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http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/amtk/amtk16254m.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:55 pm 

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whodom wrote:
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the L&N's "Big Emma" 2-8-4 tenders. At one time, it seemed like every one of these ever built was still around. IIRC Norfolk Southern acquired at least a couple of them for use as auxiliary tenders on excursions, and I think Ross had a couple as well.

Anybody have a count on how many of these survive?


L&N "Big Emma" 2-8-4 tenders owe their high survival rate to their use by the L&N for various MOW and fuel storage roles after the end of steam. I have seen several color photos of the 2-8-4s being pulled from storage out of the DeCoursey, KY roundhouse, the cab overhangs being cut off, and the locomotives coupled cab to cab via the drawbar to be towed to scrap merchants in Cincinnati. The tenders were saved.

A couple of the intact tenders with coal bunkers surivied. I believe SERM has one. KRM in New Haven, Kentucky has the one from 1984.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:19 pm 

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The two tenders at Virginia Scrap in Roanoke are an N&W 16,000 gal, and an N&W 15,000 gal. The 16 is going to the Portsmouth group with 1134, and the 15 will go to VMT for eventual use with 1151. (boy, is that engine a long term project.......) Both tenders were in M of W service, and were never converted to auxilary tenders. VMT also has one of the L&N "Big Emma" tenders that the NS Steam Program had converted to an A-tank. (N&W terminology for an auxilary tender). I think that the 261 crew got another one. Ohio Central has one of the C&O USRA style tenders, and Old Dominion Chapter NRHS has one of the C&O Vanderbilts. The new owner of N&W 1118 will be looking for a suitable tender soon.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:29 pm 

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At one time we had a Cotton Belt tender (I think) that we toyed with the idea of making an aux water car out of, but traded it to the group at Pine Bluff. We also had an IC 2600 tender for a while until some genius decided it was too big and sold it for scrap. We wound up making a water car out of an IC Canteen.


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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:42 am 

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Frisco1522 wrote:
At one time we had a Cotton Belt tender (I think) that we toyed with the idea of making an aux water car out of, but traded it to the group at Pine Bluff. We also had an IC 2600 tender for a while until some genius decided it was too big and sold it for scrap. We wound up making a water car out of an IC Canteen.


Speaking of IC 2600 class tenders, for a number of years there were two in Freeport, Illinois with a number of other pieces of preserved railroad equipment. I think they were from engines 2612 and 2614, but maybe one was from the 2611. A number of pieces of the rail equipment located there were eventually sent elsewhere (including items to Monticello, IL, Colfax, WI and Monon, IN) but I don't know if the two tenders were saved or not. Maybe they are still there. Anyone know?

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:51 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:
Frisco1522 wrote:
At one time we had a Cotton Belt tender (I think) that we toyed with the idea of making an aux water car out of, but traded it to the group at Pine Bluff. We also had an IC 2600 tender for a while until some genius decided it was too big and sold it for scrap. We wound up making a water car out of an IC Canteen.


Speaking of IC 2600 class tenders, for a number of years there were two in Freeport, Illinois with a number of other pieces of preserved railroad equipment. I think they were from engines 2612 and 2614, but maybe one was from the 2611. A number of pieces of the rail equipment located there were eventually sent elsewhere (including items to Monticello, IL, Colfax, WI and Monon, IN) but I don't know if the two tenders were saved or not. Maybe they are still there. Anyone know?

Les


As a matter of fact, 2612 and 2614 do still exist, but are imminently in danger of being scrapped. I had been looking into acquiring them as canteens for our organization, but the costs involved are more than we can handle. If anyone is seriously interested in acquiring these tenders, please get in touch with me ASAP through PM and I can provide you with more information (and by serious, I mean you have money to burn and can burn it within the next few weeks)...

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:22 am 

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Quick addition:

At least one of the C&O Vanderbilt tenders shown in the photos in Brother Jackson's list above survives in south Baltimore, shoved in a far corner of CSX's Locust Point Yard, It was apparently in the B&O Museum's massive acquisition of stuff from CSX, then was rumored to be destined to a new home (Clifton Forge?), but I can't get close enough to it now to see any new reporting marks--it apparently failed some inspection and got no further than Locust Point headed to its new home.

The Wilmington & Western has/had old C&O T-215, a smaller tender converted to a water supply for their 0-6-0T for a while. Wonder if it's still there. They were also the group that initially saved the PRR "long-haul" tender now in New York waiting to hopefully be paired someday with PRR I1sa 4483..........


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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:57 pm 

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Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum has a couple of spare tenders including an L&N Vanderbilt and 4501's old (small) tender; also an auxiliary tender/water car.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:52 pm 

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Back in 2004, I was working on an abandoned mine lands project in Southern West Virginia and had heard from one of the design engineers working on the project that there was an old "railcar" on site that was being used as a residential water supply storage tank. Well, being somewhat skeptical of this "railcar", I hiked out the old mining bench we were drilling rock core samples on and down over the hill to the abandoned mine spur. I was quite suprised to find an old Norfolk and Western "water bottle" sitting on the old rail grade, collecting water from the mine portals and, in a sense, "still in active service" in 2004! The tender had no markings visible other than the "N&W" visible on one side. It would have taken quite an effort to get the tender up that hollow once the rail was removed. I'd assume it was pushed up the spur prior to abandonment of the line and then had the trucks and rails removed (by N&W?) following installation.

Despite the area being reclaimed of mine spoil and the mine entries sealed, the old tender remained in place following construction activities as required by the landowner (despite the offer of a new water tank). I didn't get to talk with the landowner concerning the history of how it came to be located where it was, but as they say, a picture's worth a 1,000 words! I wonder how much other equipment has been "lost" in similar fashion? I have more photos of this that I'll try to locate for posting.


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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:14 pm 

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Brian -

Tha't's interesting. I know that railroads on occassion, converted old tenders into water tanks for use by other, still active, locomotives. I seem to recall seeing a photo of a Northern Pacific tank like this, with the railroad lettering still visible and a water spout hung off of the side. Just wondered if any museums have thought about doing this? Would be an interesting conversation piece, and negate the cost of a new wooden or steel tank.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:01 am 

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Any unmodified original USRA tenders would be quite a find.

Among my favorite northeastern headless horsemen are:

RDG camelback tender in the RCT&HS
RDG tender that was the water car for George Hart's #972 and I assume is now on tbe Reading and Nothern
D&H challenger tender now as the aux for CPR #2816
NYC Hudson tender converted to head end car by TH&B now at Steamtown
The Rutland tender shown earlier with the derrick at Steamtown
There is another canteen at Steamtown - not sure of its heritage but I think Ross used it
The B&M mogul tender in Gorham, NH

There used to be so many more!

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:37 am 

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With all this tender talk, is there a tender out there that maybe we could get the steps off it for 565? If anyone can help out please let me know. Thanks in advance.


Here is a pic of the tender steps
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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Tenders
PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:52 am 

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Alan Maples wrote:
Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum has a couple of spare tenders including an L&N Vanderbilt and 4501's old (small) tender; also an auxiliary tender/water car.

Alan Maples


Even though the Vandy Tender is lettered for the L&N, that isn't L&N steam locomotive tender lettering. I imagine the tender is actually an ex-NC&StL model that ended up in L&N MOW service after the 1957 merger. I do not think the L&N ever had any locos with Vandy tenders.

I remember reading that at one time, TVRM was thinking of mating the Vandy tender with K&T number 10 to make a faux NC&StL mike.

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