What Happened to the All Daylight Consist?

152696 · **Joined:** Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:26 pm **Posts:** 61

after retirement(assuming meant just removed from service), where did former daylight parlors 3001-3002(later AMTK 7501-7502) end up if they were preserved?

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:01 pm

2 cars, P-S, Lot #6591, Plan #7420, 1939, 27 chair parlor (with drawing room).

SP #3002 to 76 seat coach #2242 in 1964, to Amtrak in 1973 as #7501 (not applied), retired in 1974 and sold in 1975 to Rail Service Industries, Chula Vista or Mira Loma, CA.

SP #3003 to 76 seat coach #2243 in 1964, to Amtrak in 1973 as #7502, retired in 1977 and sold in 1978 to Hudson Wallace.

Both RSI and Hudson Wallace acquired several cars from AMTK in the late 70's.

Besides the #7502, Wallace in 1978 also acquired:

AMTK #6449, 64 seat coach, ex-PC #3151, nee-NYC #3151 (P-S, Lot #6721, Plan #7484, 1946).

AMTK #7513, 44 seat chair, ex-SP #2401 Golden Flake (P-S, Lot #6806, Plan #7584, 1949).

AMTK #6810, 68 seat divided coach, ex-N&W #502, nee-40 seat chair-8 seat smoker (with crew room) (P-S, Lot #6801, Plan #7558, 1949/59).

RSI acquired a total of 20 cars from AMTK, mostly in 1976 but also 1 in 1977, 3 in 1975, and 1 in 1982. Not going to list out all 20 here, but 8 were ex-SP, 5 ex-AT&SF, and 1 each from UP (via sale to PC in 1969), NYNH&H, SAL, L&N, ACL, FEC (via sale to SAL in 1965), and RF&P.

I do not have further dispositions for any of the 4 cars Wallace acquired, and only for 7 of the 20 acquired by RSI, which have been discussed earlier in this thread, and over in the AT&SF lightweight thread.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman-Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Mike Palmieri's Amtrak rosters

3. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

ted66 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:28 am

I am not sure if the Great Northern #1242 was part of the excursions you are thinking about. But the lounge car, still painted in Daylight colors is at the Pacific Locomotive Associaion. They plan to restore the Great Northern color scheme.

For my money the best looking consist I ever heard of was the Norfolk & Western #611 and a matching 11 car train in tuscan red!

Ted Miles, rail fan

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:37 pm

As discussed earlier in this thread, the #1242 was not part of the World's Fair Daylight consist in 1984, but was used on the Eureka Southern-North Coast Daylight excursions on the NWP.

152696 · **Joined:** Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:26 pm **Posts:** 61

Rainier Rails wrote:

Topfuel wrote:

Here is an update to the current status of 7 of the World's Fair Daylight cars:

Daylight Coach SW #542 "Sonoma" was built for the SP Coast Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2355. To Amtrak #4842. Retired 10/1981. To Sierra Western Railroad Company as SW #542 "Sonoma". Stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Company). Sold to Jon Clark 2011. Moved by highway to live rail at Napa, CA. For sale 2013.

Daylight Coach SW #544 "Mendocino" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2358. To Amtrak #4844. Sold 9/1983 to Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #544 "Mendocino". Stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Co). Sold to Jon Clark 2011. Moved by highway to live rail at Napa, CA. For sale 2013.

Daylight Coach SW #546 "Humboldt" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6940 to Plan #7571B as 48 seat coach #2361. To Amtrak #4846. Sold 9/1983 to Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #546 "Humboldt". Stored in Scotia, CA (at the Pacific Lumber Co). Sold to Jon Clark 2011. Moved by highway to live rail at Napa, CA. Held.

Daylight Coach SW #507 "Shasta" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571 as 48 seat coach #2387. To Amtrak #7507 in 1973. Retired 11/1977. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #507 "Shasta". Stored in Willits, CA. Scrapped 2008 at Willits - minor fire damage.

Daylight Coach SW #511 "Stanislaus" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571A as a 48 seat coach. To Amtrak #7511. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #511 "Stanislaus". Stored in Willits, CA. Sold to Jon Clark 2008. Moved by highway to live rail at Los Angeles, CA. Held.

Daylight Coach SW #500 "San Joaquin" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7575 as "Timberline" coffee shop tavern lounge #10317. Rebuilt to 86 seat coach #2241 in 1963. To Amtrak #7500 in 1973. Retired 1976. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #500 "San Joaquin". Stored in Willits, CA. Scrapped 2008 at Willits - fire damage.

Daylight Coach SW #510 "Tuolumne" was built for the SP Shasta Daylight in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6805 to Plan #7571A as 48 seat coach #2395. To Amtrak #7510 in 1973. Retired 1976. To Sierra Western RR Co. as SW #510 "Tuolumne". Stored in Healdsburg, CA. Sold to Jon Clark 2011. For sale 2013.

Also note that the former SP 2397, owned by Pacific RR Society, is not Amtrak Certified. Many cars have Amtrak 800000 numbers that are not or were not ever Amtrak Certified. However, the 2397 did run on several Amtrak special trains prior to the requirements for 40 year rebuilds and HEP.

Thanks for the update, Topfuel! Thanks also for the clarification on the PAR #2397!

SP-AMTK Numbering Discrepancy:

I'm still trying to clarify the number discrepancy of ex-SP cars that were sold to Amtrak in 1973 and numbered in the #75xx-series. Different sources give different cars to different #75xx numbers, one consequence of which is I don't know which 1949 Shasta Daylight coach became Amtrak #7511 (later SW #511 "Stanislaus")!

Just to demonstrate the issue, here's the 2 complete listings of ex-SP #75xx-series cars from 2 different sources:

"Amtrak by the Numbers" gives this listing:

SP Shasta Daylight coffee shop-tavern #10317 to coach #2241 to AMTK #7500 retired 1976 to SW #500 "San Joaquin"
SP parlor #3002 to coach #2242 to AMTK #7501 retired 5/1975
SP parlor #3003 to coach #2243 to AMTK #7502 retired 5/1977
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2382 to AMTK #7503 retired 3/1976
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2383 to AMTK #7504 retired 11/1977 to office in South San Francisco
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2384 to AMTK #7505 retired 11/1977
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2385 to AMTK #7506 retired 1976
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2387 to AMTK #7507 retired 11/1977 to SW #507 "Shasta"
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2389 to AMTK #7508 retired 5/1975 to private owner as CBRX #2389
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2392 to AMTK #7509 retired 11/1977 to private owner
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2395 to AMTK #7510 retired 1976 to SW #510 "Tuolumne"
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2397 to AMTK #7511 retired 11/1977 to PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs"
SP Golden State coach #2401 "Golden Flake" to AMTK #7512 retired 11/1977
SP coach #2424 to AMTK #7513 retired 9/1975
SP coach #2439 to AMTK #7514 retired 1976 to Kern County Museum in Bakersfield
SP coach #2486 to AMTK #7515 retired 8/1976 to Antelope Valley Model RR Club in Lancaster, CA
SP coach #2487 to AMTK #7516 retired 5/1977 to Purdy Company to Evelyn Mills-Rocklin Transportation Center to Ed Purvis to Donald Krause-Rocklin Train Depot in Rocklin, CA
SP coach #2488 to AMTK #7517 retired 11/1977
SP coach #2492 to AMTK #7518 retired 5/1977
SP coach #2493 to AMTK #7519 retired 11/1977
***No entry for AMTK #7520***
SP Daylight articulated coach #2416-#2417 to AMTK #7521-#7522 retired 11/1977
T&NO Sunbeam articulated coach #506-#507 to SP #2455-#2456 to AMTK #7523-#7524 retired 11/1977
***No entry for AMTK #7525***
SP Coast Daylight articulated coach #2457-#2458 to AMTK #7526-#7527 retired 5/1977
SP Coast Daylight articulated coach #2463-#2464 to AMTK #7528-#7529 retired 11/1977
SP Coast Daylight articulated coach #2467-#2468 to AMTK #7530-#7531 retired 11/1977 to CWR #2467-#2468 to SWKR #2467-#2468 to PAR #2467-#2468
SP Coast Daylight articulated coach #2469-#2470 to AMTK #7532-#7533 retired 5/1977

"Amtrak by the Numbers" lists 2 additional SP coaches that were purchased in 1973 which did not receive #75xx-series numbers:

T&NO parlor #701 to SP #3001 to coach #2238 to AMTK (no number) retired 11/1973
The second listing is SP #2389!, which is also listed as AMTK #7508! (retired 5/1975 to private owner CBRX #2389). The second listing of SP #2389 also has a retirement date of 5/1975! My thought is that it could actually be SP #2398 (last 2 digits got flipped). SP #2398 was also a Shasta Daylight coach.

The other source has this listing:

SP Shasta Daylight coffee shop-tavern #10317 to coach #2241 to AMTK #7500 to SW #500 "San Joaquin"
SP parlor #3002 to coach #2242 to AMTK #7501
SP parlor #3003 to coach #2243 to AMTK #7502
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2382 to AMTK #7503
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2383 to AMTK #7504 to office in South San Francisco
***No entry for AMTK #7505***
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2384 to AMTK #7506
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2385 to AMTK #7507 to SW #507 "Shasta"
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2387 to AMTK #7508
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2389 to AMTK #7509 to private owner as CBRX #2389
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2392 to AMTK #7510 to SW #510 "Tuolumne"
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2395 to AMTK #7511 to SW #511 "Stanislaus"
SP Shasta Daylight coach #2397 to AMTK #7512 to PAR #2397 "Shasta Springs"
SP Golden State coach #2401 "Golden Flake" to AMTK #7513
SP coach #2427 to AMTK #7514
SP coach #2439 to AMTK #7515 to Kern County Museum in Bakersfield
SP coach #2486 to AMTK #7516 to Antelope Valley Model RR Club in Lancaster, CA
SP coach #2487 to AMTK #7517 to Purdy Company to Evelyn Mills-Rocklin Transportation Center to Ed Purvis to Donald Krause-Rocklin Train Depot in Rocklin, CA
SP coach #2488 to AMTK #7518
SP coach #2492 to AMTK #7519
SP coach #2493 to AMTK #7520
SP Daylight articulated coach #2416-#2417 to AMTK #7521-#7522
T&NO Sunbeam articulated coach #506-#507 to SP #2455-#2456 to AMTK #7523-#7524
***No entry for AMTK #7525***
SP Coast Daylight articulated coach #2457-#2458 to AMTK #7526-#7527
SP Coast Daylight articulated coach #2463-#2464 to AMTK #7528-#7529
SP Coast Daylight articulated coach #2467-#2468 to AMTK #7530-#7531 to CWR #2467-#2468 to SWKR #2467-#2468 to PAR #2467-#2468
SP Coast Daylight articulated coach #2469-#2470 to AMTK #7532-#7533

Can anyone clarify the discrepancy?

so what happened to all of the cars that are listed as retired on this?, does this mean that they were cut up?

thanks

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