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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:14 pm 

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I know of two in Cleveland owned by the successor to the Midwest Railway Historical Foundation (MRHF), formerly the equipment owing arm of Midwest Chapter, NRHS (also the owners of ex-GTW Mike 4070 and NKP heavyweight coaches 62 and 90). They are now completely separate from the NRHS chapter, and I think it's now called something like Midwest Railway Preservation Society. Anyway, they have two heavyweight Pullmans: Mt. Baxter, also renamed for founding member, and late W&LE engineer John S. Foster, from the early '60's to around 1980; and Ft. Eustis. Both cars were regularly used in the consist for the Cuyahoga Valley Line in the early years. I think the Baxter is a 16 section/buffet/lounge - with a windowed and non-vestibuled lounge end, and the Ft. Eustis is something like a 6 section/2DR/4DBR. I believe there is at least one sister Mount series car around (I was told in the '70's that it was owned by the Atlanta Chapter, NRHS). The Ft. Eustis may be the only survivor of its series. It was mostly used on the C&O, as you might suspect from the name. Both cars are stored outdoors, need major work, and I don't think either currently meets interchange standards.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:43 pm 

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http://broadway.pennsyrr.com/Rail/Prr/Fan/pass_cars.html

John Greenleaf Whittier, Columbus, O.
8-section 1-bedroom Pullman. Ohio Railway Museum.
Times Square, Columbus, O.
All-compartment Pullman. Ohio Railway Museum.

The Times Square is now in Dennison, Oh., moved by Truck from ORM. As of Jan 2009, it was in pretty rough shape. End doors were open, several windows were missing. It was sitting on it's trucks, but all rigging and draft gear was either missing or sitting on the ground near the car.

I believe the Whittier is still in Worthington.

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I was surfing the web this evening and found some more:

Southeastern Railway Museum
    Washington Club, 8Sec-buffet-lounge-sun roo; built 1920
    Thomas Ruffin, 10Sec-2DBR-1DRm, built 1929, rebuilt 1939

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:06 pm 

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Here are four from my home area in Texas.

From the Galveston Railroad Museum of Galveston, Texas.....

WOODLAND- "Woodland" was built to Pullman Plan 3410B and was 1 of 12 cars in Lot 6360, all built for UP. This 87-ton car was delivered on 21 April 1930 by Pullman and is one of the last Pullman "standard" all-steel sleeping cars built. Pullman built more of this class of sleeping car than any other. A mechanical air conditioning system was applied to the car in the mid 1930's. This car ran on the Union Pacific's Portland Limited between Chicago, IL, and Portland, OR, until sold to the Illinois Central where it ran on the Panama Limited between New Orleans and Chicago. The car was sold for scrap in Oct 1965 and was purchased by the Oregon Pacific & Eastern Ry.

GLEN FEE- Pullman built almost 100 cars in the "Glen" series between 1923 and 1929. "Glen Fee" is one of 26 cars built to Plan 3523A, lot 4970, and bears the unique car code 2789. The "Glen Fee" was delivered on 27 July 1926 and operated on the New York Central's 20th Century Limited until about 1963. After passing through a series of owners, it was sold in 1965 to the Oregon, Pacific & Eastern. The "Glen Fee" also served on the original American Freedom Train in the 1940's and is claimed to be the last known surviving car.

MOUNT DARWIN- "Robert E. Lee" (formerly the "Mt. Darwin") (ex-Railroad Town, USA, exx-Bear Creek Scenic Railway, exxx-Private Railway Cars, Inc.) sleeping/lounge car. This 86-ton steel car was built in 1924 by Pullman, one of 90 such cars. All 10 cars built using this floor plan (Plan 3521, Lot 4816) were built for general service. In the 1930's the car was equipped with a mechanical air conditioner for the comfort of its passengers. It is known to have operated on the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy's Exposition Flyer between Chicago and San Francisco in the 1940s. It was dropped from service by 1961 and sold by Pullman in 1965. The car was named "Robert E. Lee" for use in a film; it never ran on the Southern Railway which did have a car named the "Robert E. Lee" but which had an entirely different interior configuration.

I am not sure of the current condition of these three. GRM was hit REALLY hard by Hurrican Ike. The water level in the yard reached 8 feet! Salt water.....use your imagination and hope for the best. They were in decent display condition before.


From the Gulf Coast Railroad Museum of Houston, TX.....

VERDE VALLEY- AT&SF Pullman Verde Valley is one of 26 identical sleeping cars delivered to the railroad by Pullman Standard in early 1942. These cars, with three different bedroom types, saw service on many Santa Fe sleeping car routes.
Three of the 26 Valley series sleepers originally were assigned to Chicago-Kansas City-Tulsa service, while the remaining cars were assigned to the Chicago-Texas-California California Limited, although the cars could be found in other consists, notably the famous Chief, as well. After World War II, the Verde Valley ran regularly in Santa Fe’s Temple, Texas, to California service, originally named the Texan westbound and California Special eastbound, with the California through cars connecting with Santa Fe Chicago to California trains in Clovis, New Mexico. The service was extended from Temple to Houston in 1948, and after this the Verde Valley was found regularly at Houston Union Station. In 1954, the Texan name was dropped and the train was known in both directions as the California Special until Santa Fe discontinued the service in 1968. Santa Fe donated the car to the Gulf Coast Railroad Museum in 1969. Facilities in the car, which is called a “6-6-4”, include six open sections with upper and lower berths; six roomettes (sleeping one person each); and four double bedrooms (for two persons each). Bedrooms and roomettes feature sinks and toilets; section passengers had access to four general lavatories.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:01 pm 

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14 Berth Pullman James Watt (not related to the former Interior Secretary) survives today with eleven of its berths in place.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
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Kurt,
Althought the CPR was not Pullman; you should visit the huge web site of the Canadian Museum of Rail Travel in Cranbrook, BC Canada.

They have restored whole trains of wood and steel cars. At last count they have something like 42 cars on display.

Two of them were restored after service as lakeside summer cabins in Wisconsin.

Glad to hear of your continued insterest in this kind of thing!

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Southern California Chapter, Railway and Locomotive Historical Society has former NKP 6 business car, previously one of "Club" series car. Car ran on NKP 9-10 between Cleveland and St. Louis. Originally 10 section, now 9 sections (boiler installed where section was located), buffet solarium lounge car. Used by Palos Verdes Railroad Club in the 60's, then sold to Warmington Company in Orange County, CA for use as a real estate office. More information at our website: railgiants.org.


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The Northwest Railway Museum in Snoqualmie, WA has Great Northern Baggage car #485 which was originally built by Pullman in 1921, Lot 4624, Plan 2411C, as Pullman Co. Sleeping Car EPICURUS. In September 1941 the car was changed to Pullman Tourist Sleeping Car #1056. In March 1948 GN acquired TS #1056 and in December 1948 after conversion work the car emerged as GN Baggage Car #485.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
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Ted Miles wrote:
Kurt,
Although the CPR was not Pullman;.....

Not quite true Ted. The CPR did purchase some Pullman Sleepers from the New York Central in the late '50's. The New York Central's "Cascade Lane" became the CPR's "Brookdale" until retired in 1968. It survives today and partially restored back to NYC at the Elgin County Railway Museum in St. Thomas, Ontario.

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Okay, thought I'd add to this thread:

There's two other relevant threads I found via the search function:

1. Searching for Heavyweights: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30147

2. Pullman car history questions: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11298

Just to start off, here's a listing of all the cars previously mentioned in all three threads (listed in series alphabetical order of last name applied by Pullman):

1. Beaver (Lot #4969, Plan #3410A, 1926, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8733 (1948) to Hollidaysburg & Roaring Spring RR (stored at Everett RR)

2. Centwell (Lot #6283, Plan #3979A, 1929, 8S-1DR-2C, AT&SF)--sold to AT&SF (1948) to MofW #194289 to pvt. owner in Colorado

3. Clover Colony (Lot #4574, Plan #4036I, 1920/40, 8S-5DB, SP, ex-Bernadotte)--sold to SP #8351 (1948) to pvt. owner (1964) to High Iron Co. (1968) to pvt. owner (1972) to GCRM (1986) to TVRM #97 (#800044) (1993)

4. Clover Plot (Lot #4590, Plan #4036F, 1920/40, 8S-5DB, WP, ex-Rampur)--sold to WP (1948) to Tom Phair to GGRM to WPRRM (2005)

5. Carleton Club (Lot #4690, Plan #4025R, 1923/37, 8S-buf-sol-lng-obs, NKP, nee-Mountain City)--sold to NKP #6 (1948) to N&W (1964) to Palos Verdes Peninsula RY Co. to Warmington Co. to Southern CA Chapter R&LHS (LA County Fairgrounds)

6. Circumnavigators Club (Lot #4528, Plan #4025N, 1917/32, 8S-buf-sol-lng-obs, ex-Brady)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Railcruise Co. (1965) to WRYM

7. Kitchi Gammi Club (Lot #4690, Plan #4025R, 1923/37, 8S-buf-sol-lng-obs, NKP, ex-Mountain View)--sold to NKP #7 (1948) to N&W #107 (1964) to #521417 to VA Rail Investment Corp #7 (#800705)

8. Traffic Club (Lot #6274, Plan #3989N, 1929, 8S-buf-sol-lng-obs, PRR)--sold to PRR #8627 (1948) to pvt. owner to RBMN (reported for sale)

9. Washington Club (Lot #6349, Plan #3989F, 1930, 8S-buf-sol-lng-obs, UP)--sold to ACL (1948) to SERM (1961)--see here: http://www.srmduluth.org/Exhibits/passenger.shtml#WashingtonClub

10. Columbia College (Lot #4648, Plan #4042, 1922/34, 10S-2DB-1C, ACL, ex-Cape Fear)--sold to ACL (1948) to pvt. owner in Colorado

11. Commandant (2nd) (Lot #4353, Plan #2521B, 1915, 10S-buf-lng-obs, SOU)--sold to 20th Century Fox (1944) to Short Line Enterprises (1972) to Railroader Restaurants (1973) to PSRM (1984)--see here: http://www.psrm.org/roster/passenger/commdant/index.html

12. Corydon (Lot #4529, Plan #2522B, 1917, 7C-2DR)--sold to 20th Century Fox (1944) to OERM--see here: http://www.oerm.org/collection/other-railroads/corydon

13. Dover Bay (Lot #4698, Plan #4015D, 1923/34, 6DB-buf-lng, NYC, ex-Adrian)--sold to NYC #10752 (1948) to Pullman (1958) sold to Circus World Museum in Baraboo, WI (1965)--see here: http://www.doverharbor.com/dover_bay.htm

14. Dover Cliffs (Lot #4805, Plan #4015C, 1924/34, 6DB-buf-lng, NYC, ex-Goshen)--sold to NYC #10758 (1948) to Pullman (1958) sold to E. Pat Hall Enterprises (1959) to Jack Bennet (South Plainfield, NJ)--located at Mineral & Pigment Solutions--see here: http://www.doverharbor.com/dover_cliffs.htm

15. Dover Fort (Lot #4805, Plan #4015C, 1924/34, 6DB-buf-lng, NYC, ex-Ligonier)--sold to NYC #10754 (1948) to Pullman (1958) sold to Ohio Power Company (1967) to Muskegun Electric to HVSR--see here: http://www.doverharbor.com/dover_fort.htm

16. Dover Harbor (Lot #4698, Plan #4015D, 1923/34, 6DB-buf-lng, NYC, ex-Maple Shade)--sold to MC #10755 (1948) to Pullman (1958) sold to Ruben Darby-Darby Wood Products (1967) to Joseph F. Belfiore (1967) to Air Couriers International (1974) to G. Scott Rutherford (1978) to Washington DC Chapter NRHS #1 (#800073) (1979)--see here: http://www.doverharbor.com/history.htm

17. Dover Patrol (Lot #4805, Plan #4015C, 1924/34, 6DB-buf-lng, NYC, ex-Ripley)--sold to MC #10753 (1948) to Pullman (1958) sold to Railcruise Company (1965) to CSRM (at Railtown 1897 in Jamestown)--see here: http://www.doverharbor.com/dover_patrol.htm

18. Dover Plains (2nd) (Lot #4698, Plan #4015C, 1923/34, 6DB-buf-lng, NYC, ex-Toms River)--sold to MC #10750 (1948) to Pullman (1958) sold to Jack Ferris (1965) to E&LS--see here: http://www.doverharbor.com/dover_plains.htm

19. Dover Strait (Lot #4805, Plan #4015A, 1924/34, 6DB-buf-lng, NYC, ex-Stryker)--sold to MC #10751 (1948) to Pullman (1958) sold to EJ&E #8766 (1960) to IRM--see here: http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?coaches=Elgin+Joliet+&+Eastern=8766

20. Emerald Vale (Lot #4351, Plan #4022B, 1915/33, 8S-4DB, WAB, ex-Wetamoo)--sold to WAB (1948) to AA #3296 to Southern MI RR Soc

21. Emerald Waters (Lot #4531, Plan #4022F, 1918/31/39, 8S-4DB, B&O, ex-Dalemead, nee-Euclid)--sold to B&O (1948) to CP Huntington Chapter NRHS (at B&O RR Museum)

22. Epicurus (Lot #4624, Plan #2411C, 1921/41, 12S-1C1DR, GN)--Tourist #1056--sold to GN and converted to baggage #485 (1948) to BN MofW #950190 (1972) to Northwest RY Museum #485 (1986)--see here: http://www.trainmuseum.org/index.php/large-artifact-collection

23. Espyville (Lot #4969, Plan #3410A, 1926, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8786 (1948) to Leatherstocking RHS

24. Floyd River (Lot #6185, Plan #3973A, 1928, 10S-1C1DR, C&NW, later named Pierre)--sold to C&NW (1948) to IRM--see here: http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?coaches=Chicago+&+North+Western+Floyd=River

25. Forest Hills (Lot #6077, Plan #3916A, 1927, plr [36 seats], NYNH&H)--sold to NYNH&H (1945) converted to coach #603 (1949) to Jim Bradley (1964) to RMNE (1991)--see here: http://www.rmne.org/about/roster/index.php#passenger

26. Fort Eustis (Lot #3892, Plan #2547C, 1911/33, 6S-1DR-2C-2DB, C&O, ex-Hot Springs, nee-Haldane)--sold to C&O (1948) to Midwest Chapter NRHS (1962) to Midwest RY Pres Soc--see here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/midwest-railway-preservation-society/hot-springs/262211210105

27. Glen Alta (Lot #4922, Plan #3523M, 1925, 6C-3DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Jack Ferris (1965) to IRM--see here: http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?coaches=Pullman+Car+Glen=Alta

28. Glen Ayr (Lot #6182, Plan #3523C, 1928, 6C-3DR, ACL)--sold to ACL (1948) to pvt. owner (Jacksonville) to AC&W

29. Glen Fee (Lot #4970, Plan #3523A, 1926, 6C-3DR, NYC)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Jack Ferris (1965) to OP&E to Galveston RR Mus--see here: http://www.galvestonrrmuseum.com/rolling-stock.html

30. Glengyle (Lot #3867, Plan #2522E, 1910, 7C-2DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Texas & Northern (1960) to MoftheARR (1964)--see here: http://www.museumoftheamericanrailroad.org/Exhibits/PullmanCollection.aspx

31. Glen Nevis (Lot #4922, Plan #3523M, 1925, 6C-3DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Halliburton and modified to research car (1966) to MoftheARR (1997)--see here: http://www.museumoftheamericanrailroad.org/Exhibits/PullmanCollection.aspx

32. Glen Springs (Lot #4922, Plan #3523A, 1925, 6C-3DR, SAL)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to William W. Kratville-Autoliner Corporation (1964) to IRM--see here: http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?coaches=Pullman+Car+Glen=Springs

33. Goliad (Lot #4945, Plan #3410A, 1926, 12S-1DR, SP)--sold to SP #8311 (1948) to FW&D (1963) to MoftheARR (1964)--see here: http://www.museumoftheamericanrailroad.org/Exhibits/PullmanCollection.aspx

34. Horatio (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8820 (1948) to MofW bunk to Central PA Chapter NRHS

35. Inglehome (Lot #3865, Plan #2521, 1911, 10S-lng-obs)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Illinois RR Club (1959) to IRM--see here: http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?coaches=Pullman+Car=Inglehome

36. John Greenleaf Whittier (Lot #6220, Plan #3410B, 1929, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8836 (1948) to Ohio RY Mus (Columbus) to Worthington, OH

37. John McLoughlin (Lot #6261, Plan #3979A, 1929, 8S-1DR-2C, GN)--sold to IC (1948) to IRM--see here: http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?coaches=Pullman+Car+John=McGloughlin

38. James Watt (Lot #6012, Plan #3958, 1926, 14S, AT&SF)--sold to AT&SF (1948) to Southwest Chapter R&LHS

39. Lake Pearl (Lot #4725, Plan #3585, 1923, 10S-1DR-2C, SOU)--sold to SOU #2422 (1948) to NS to VMT (1986)

40. Maitland (Lot #4845, Plan #3410A, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to CNO&TP (1948) to TVRM

41. McChesney (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR, SOU)--sold to SOU #2480 (1948) to NCTM

42. McClellanville (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8871 (1948) to MofW bunk to Central PA Chapter NRHS

43. McQuaig (Lot #4845, Plan #3410A, 1925, 12S-1DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Texas & Northern (1960) to MoftheARR (1964)--see here: http://www.museumoftheamericanrailroad.org/Exhibits/PullmanCollection.aspx

44. McKinneysburg (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Jack Ferris (1965) to pvt. owner in Colorado

45. Mt. Baxter (Lot #4816, Plan #3521L, 1924, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, L&N)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Midwest Chapter NRHS (1960) to Midwest RY Pres Soc--see here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/midwest-railway-preservation-society/mt-baxter-pullman-sleeperparlor-car/232665150105

46. Mt. Broderick (Lot #4998, Plan #3521L, 1926, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, L&N)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to KRYM (1960)

47. Mt. Darwin (Lot #4816, Plan #3521, 1924, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, CB&Q)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Jack Ferris (1965) to Pvt. RY Cars Inc to Bear Creek Scenic to RR Town USA to Galveston RR Mus as the Robert E. Lee--see here: http://www.galvestonrrmuseum.com/rolling-stock.html

48. Mt. Doane (Lot #4816, Plan #3521, 1924, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Midwest Steel (1961) to Durham Museum as Cornhusker Car--see here: http://www.durhammuseum.org/experience/exhibits/permanent/exhibit-details.aspx?ID=35

49. Mount Royal (Lot #3944, Plan #2521I, 1911, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, CGW, ex-Malatha)--sold to CGW (1948) to KCS and converted to 48 seat coach #201 to Robert Sherwood (1971) to RMNE (1992)--see here: http://www.rmne.org/about/roster/index.php#passenger

50. Mountain Road (Lot #4690, Plan #2521D, 1923, 10S-buf-lng-obs)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Georgia & Florida (1955) to TVRM to pvt. owner

51. Murray Hill (Lot #6291, Plan #3994G, 1929, 6SB-sol-lng-obs, NYNH&H [PRR])--sold to NYNH&H (1948) to Tulsa-Sapulpa Union RY #4 to Sunbelt Chapter NRHS to Route 66 Village (Tulsa)--see here: http://prr.railfan.net/passenger/GSPEAR/GSPEAR_PRR_Sleeper_Car.htm#PRR8563 and here: http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?4,2639971

52. Orange State (Lot #4894, Plan #3410A, 1925, 12S-1DR, GM&O)--sold to GM&O #2206 (1948) to Robert Sherwood (1968) to RMNE (1992) to M&H (1993)

53. Bison Peak (Lot #6031, Plan #3584A, 1926, 10S-2DR, AT&SF)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to AT&SF #1127 (1953) to MofW (1960) to OERM (1990)--see here: http://www.oerm.org/collection/other-railroads/bison-peak

54. Gothic Peak (Lot #6031, Plan #3584A, 1927, 10S-2DR, AT&SF)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to AT&SF #1129 (1953) to GGRM to NCRY--see here: http://www.ncry.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=541047&module_id=137689

55. Philinda (Lot #4264, Plan #2416A, 1914, 1DR-plr [26 seats], NYNH&H)--sold to NYNH&H (1945) to coach #610 (1949) to Jim Bradley to RMNE (1989)--see here: http://www.rmne.org/about/roster/index.php#passenger

56. Robert Peary (Lot #6037, Plan #3972, 1927, 5BD private car, CB&Q)--sold to CB&Q Blackhawk (1944) changed to 4BD (1951) to pvt. owners Victoria (1966) to PSRM (1974)--see here: http://www.psrm.org/roster/passenger/peary/index.html

57. Schubert (2nd) (Lot #4833, Plan #3523K, 1924, 6C-3DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Ruben Darby-Darby Wood Products (1967) to NCTM

58. St. Carvan (Lot #4762, Plan #3410A, 1924, 12S-1DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--donated to MOT (1961)--see here: http://transportmuseumassociation.org/passenger_cars.htm

59. St. Hyacinthe (CC&F, 1929, 10S-1DR-1C, CN)--sold to CN #1683 (1929) to Pacific Coast Chapter R&LHS (1971) to CSRM (1980)--see here: http://www.csrmf.org/events-exhibits/railroad-car-favorites/canadian-national-railways-sleeping-car-no-1683-st-hyacinthe

60. Superb (Lot #3847, Plan #2503, 1911, pvt. car, for a time renamed Los Angeles and Pope Pius XI)--sold to C&WC #101 (1945) to ACL #101 to SCL #301 to SERM (1967)--see here: http://www.srmduluth.org/Exhibits/passenger.shtml#Superb and here: http://www.srmduluth.org/Features/superb.htm

61. Thomas Ruffin (2nd) (Lot #6284, Plan #4074D, 1929/39, 10S-1DR-2DB, SOU)--sold to SOU #2449 (1948) to SERM--see here: http://www.srmduluth.org/Exhibits/passenger.shtml#2449

62. Times Square (Lot #4887, Plan #3523A, 1925, 6C-3DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8561 (1948) to Ohio RY Mus (Columbus) to Dennison Depot Museum

63. Torrance (Lot #4969, Plan #3410A, 1926, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8959 (1948) to MofW bunk to Central PA Chapter NRHS

64. Breslin Tower (Lot #4846, Plan #4090, 1925/39, 8S-1DR-3DB, NYNH&H, ex-Point Bank)--sold to NYNH&H (1948) to Jim Bradley (1964) to RMNE (1991)--see here: http://www.rmne.org/about/roster/index.php#passenger

65. Canonbury Tower (Lot #4846, Plan #4090, 1925/39, 8S-1DR-3DB, SOU, ex-Point Brown)--sold to SOU (1948) to pvt. owner in Colorado

66. Urbana (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8965 (1948) to MofW bunk to Central PA Chapter NRHS

67. Villa Falls (Lot #4159, Plan #3411, 1913/30, 10S-3DB, B&O, ex-Delcambre)--sold to B&O (1948) to IRM--see here: http://www.irm.org/cgi-bin/rsearch.cgi?coaches=Baltimore+&+Ohio+Villa=Falls

68. Voyager (Lot #3912, Plan #2412L, 1911/31, 10S-4DXR, PRR, ex-Trombley)--sold to PRR #8701 (1948) to MofW bunk to Central PA Chapter NRHS

69. Westport (Lot #6078, Plan #3917A, 1927, 1DR-plr [32 seats], NYNH&H)--sold to NYNH&H (1945) converted to commuter club #5105 (1948) to smoker coach #6845 (1955) to wire car #W-943 (1965) to Metro-North to RMNE (1990)--see here: http://www.rmne.org/about/roster/index.php#work

70. William Aiken (Lot #4899, Plan #3584A, 1925, 10S-2DR, SOU, ex-Edward Cary Walthall)--sold to GS&F (1948) converted to baggage #6206 to #6454 to NCTM

71. Woodland (Lot #6360, Plan #3410B, 1930, 12S-1DR, UP)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Jack Ferris (1965) to OP&E to Galveston RR Mus--this car is no longer listed on their website, and I wasn't able to find any additional references using a Google search--was this car deaccessioned after being damaged by Hurricane Ike??

Unknown Histories:

72. Lehigh Gorge (1927)--RBMN #4

73. SOU (GS&F) baggage #6462--NCTM

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Here's what I can add:

Just within Washington and Oregon, there are:

74. Clover Blossom (Lot #4036, Plan #4036B, 1912/35, 8S-5DB, SP, ex-Dyersville)--sold to SP #8350 (1948) to SPMW bunk #7004A to #7183 to pvt. owner, located in Willamette Valley--see here: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35430

75. Cromwell (Lot #4076, Plan #2410, 1912/42, 12S-1DR, GN)--Tourist #2427 sold to GN #2427 (1956) to SP&S #2427 to pvt. owner, located in Willamette Valley

76. Cyrus H. Jenks (Lot #6249, Plan #3990, 1929/41, buf-lng-obs, GN)--sold to GN as buffet lounge #1075 (1941) to baggage #319 (1959) to BN #766 to Inland Empire Chapter NRHS (Spokane, WA)--see here: http://inlandnwrailmuseum.com/our-collection-2

77. Caspar (Lot #4574, Plan #2410F, 1920/41, 12S-1DR, SP&S)--Tourist #1211 sold to SP&S and converted to baggage-express #55 (1947) to BN MofW #976137 to Pacific Northwest Chapter NRHS as PNWC #55 (1985)--stored near Portland, OR--see here: http://www.pnwc-nrhs.org/car55.html

78. Douglas Fir (Lot #6358, Plan #3973A, 1930, 10S-1C1DR, UP)--sold to UP (1948) to MofW bunk #906021 (1963) to restaurant in Yakima, WA--this is one of three heavyweight sleepers at this location whose fate is currently very uncertain--this car may have very well been scrapped sometime in the last few months

79. Glenshane (Lot #4612, Plan #2410F, 1921/38, 12S-1DR, SP&S)--Tourist #2185 sold to SP&S (1947) converted to RPO-postal storage #62 (1949) to BN MofW tool-cable storage #976094 (1974) to pvt. owner, used on Chelatchie Prairie RR as #62 (Battle Ground, WA)

80. Kenosha (Lot #4540, Plan #2410F, 1918/41, 12S-1DR, SP&S)--Tourist #1766 sold to SP&S (1947) converted to RPO-baggage #60 (1948) to BN MofW kitchen-bunk #976093 (1975) to Chelatchie Prairie RR #60 (Battle Ground, WA)

81. Kenova (Lot #4014, Plan #2410, 1912/42, 12S-1DR, GN)--Tourist #1439 sold to GN and converted to baggage #475 (1948) to BN MofW #976060 (1973) to Standard Rail Services (1985) to Pacific Railroad Preservation Association #475 Kenny Prager to pvt. owner #475 (located near Portland, OR)

82. Palmerton (Lot #3913, Plan #2410, 1911/40, 12S-1DR, SP&S)--Tourist #1576 sold to SP&S and converted to RPO-baggage #48 (1948) to #42 to BN MofW #976131 to Lewis & Clark RY #142 to Chelatchie Prairie RR café coach #142 (Battle Ground, WA)

83. Pelham (Lot #6023, Plan #3410A, 1926, 12S-1DR, UP)--sold to UP (1948) to MofW bunk #906032 (1963) to restaurant in Yakima, WA--this is one of three heavyweight sleepers at this location whose fate is currently very uncertain--this car may have very well been scrapped sometime in the last few months

84. Point Richards (Lot #4961, Plan #3584A, 1926, 10S-2DR, SOU)--sold to SOU (1948) converted to steam heat car #BC2 to #960605 to NS #26 to New Georgia RR #1402 to Montana Daylight #1402 to Lou Steplock as WPRX #1402--located in Albany, OR, with Portland & Western (ex-AT&SF) business car #35 Casper Mountain and WPRX (ex-GN) Mid-Century Empire Builder Ranch Car #1241 Running Crane Lake

85. Rillito (Lot #4503, Plan #2410F, 1917/35, 12S-1DR, SP&S)--Tourist #2010 to SP&S RPO-baggage #47 (1947) to baggage dormitory #76 (1966) to BN to Pacific Northwest Chapter NRHS as PNWC #76--used as tool car for SP 4449 during American Freedom Train--stored near Portland, OR

Mystery cars in Washington and Oregon:

86. Besides the Pelham and Douglas Fir listed above, the third sleeper at the restaurant in Yakima, WA, was formerly owned by NP, although I have not found out the name--the fate of this car is currently very uncertain--this car may have very well been scrapped sometime in the last few months

87. UP still utilizes some of the cars assigned by SP to winter MofW duties on the Natron Cutoff (Cascade Summit), including SPMW #7118, a 12S-1DR sleeper (I don't know the name), which was recently (several years ago) painted into UP colors and is based at Klamath Falls, OR--seen here at the UP shop in Seattle: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2238107 (Marty Bernard photo)

Other Surviving Cars:

88. Ferdinand Magellan (Lot #6246, Plan #3972D, 1929, private car)--sold to US Government for Presidential use (1942) to GCRM

89. Palm Lane (Lot #6217, Plan #3975H, 1929, 3C-2DR-buf-sol-lng-obs, SAL)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to James E. Strates Shows as #2 Syracuse (1956) to Central NY Chapter NRHS to Iowa Pacific-SLRG (2013)

90. Michael Faraday (Lot #6054, Plan #3958, 1927, 14S, GM&O)--sold to GM&O and converted to business car #50 (1948) to Isaac Tigrett III to John Paul DeJoria as Patrón Tequila Express (#800539)

91. Glen Summit (Lot #4974, Plan #3523F, 1926, 6C-3DR, SOU)--sold to SOU #2523 (1948) to VMT to storage in Evansville, IN (possibly Mid-America Locomotive & Car Repair [MALX]) to Iowa Pacific-SLRG #9172--see here: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3020078 (Pat Huemmer photo)

92. Central Plains (Lot #4971, Plan #3959E, 1926, 3C-2DR-lng-obs, SP)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to SP and rebuilt to business car #106 Shasta (1953) to #106 Oregon to UP (1996) to Tri-City & Olympia RR #106 (2000) to California Northern #106 (2013)--see here: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3708516 (Jamie West photo) and here: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35667

93. Thompson (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR, GN)--sold to CGW (1948) converted to business car #100 (1953) to C&NW (1968) to #403 (1981) to #403 Minnesota (1985) to UP (1995) to North Carolina DOT #400000 (1st) Governor John Motey Morehead (1996) to Dearing RR and named Dearing (#800029) (2006)

94. Natalie (Lot #4801, Plan #3416, 1924, 1DR-parlor [28 seats], GN)--sold to GN as parlor #1084 (1938) to coach #1084 (1942) to parlor #1084 (1945) to buf-lng-obs #1084 Twin Ports (1952) to BN and declared surplus/stored to MTM (1979)--see here: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35426

95. Cordelia (Lot #4801, Plan #3416, 1924, 1DR-parlor [28 seats], GN)--sold to GN as parlor #1083 (1938) to coach #1083 (1942) to parlor #1083 (1945) to buf-lng-obs #1083 Twin Cities (1952) to BN #968084 and declared surplus/stored to track geometry car #B9 (1974) to BNSF #80 (1st) (1995) to storage at Topeka--see here: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35426

96. Old Elm Club (Lot #4484, Plan #4026C, 1917/32, CGW, ex-Miloma)--sold to CGW (1948) sold to MILW and converted to business car Indiana (1955)--this car was recently listed on Ozark Mountain Railcar

97. Mt. Harvard (Lot #4742, Plan #3521L, 1923, 10S-buf-sol-lng-obs, MILW)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Midwest Steel (1961) to Wabash, Frisco & Pacific Assoc to museum members (1971 and 1972) to Mid-Continent (1987)--see here: http://www.midcontinent.org/collectn/stlpas/harvard.html

98. City of Lafayette (Lot #6038, Plan #3957J, 1927, 1DR-plr [26 seats], WAB, ex-Helena Modjeska)--sold to Wabash (1945) to N&W #700 (1964) to Clinchfield #114 White Oak to Seaboard #114 Blue Ridge to CSX #114 to New Georgia #114 to pvt. owner Ferdinand to New Orleans Public Belt City of New Orleans (refurbished by Pete Messina as chair-parlor)--see here: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1612958 (Shawn Levy photo)

99. City of Peru (Lot #4862, Plan #3957L, 1925, 1DR-plr [26 seats], WAB, ex-Queen Anne)--sold to Wabash (1945) to N&W?? to unknown (seen at Comet Industries in Kansas City, MO) to New Orleans Public Belt (to be refurbished by Pete Messina as sleeper)

100. City of Wabash (Lot #6065, Plan #3957J, 1927, 1DR-plr [26 seats], WAB, ex-Embassy)--sold to Wabash (1945) to N&W?? to pvt. owner San Steban to Keokuk Jct. RY #1 Chief Keokuck [sic] to New Orleans Public Belt Louisiana (refurbished by Pete Messina as diner)--see here: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1612956 (Shawn Levy photo)

101. Sunburst Rose (Lot #4894, Plan #3410A, 1925, 12S-1DR, SP, ex-Red Cross)--sold to SP #8334 (1948) to SPMW #3503 to WP MofW #37-7 to WPRRM

102. Red Oak (Lot #4894, Plan #3410A, 1925/40, 12S-1DR, AT&SF)--Tourist #3116 retained (12/31/1948)--sold to SP (1953) to SPMW #5535 to Joshua Tree & Southern RR Club & Mus--this group also owns an ex-D&RGW heavyweight diner

103. Mission Santa Ynez (Lot #6183, Plan #3974F, 1928, 6SB-buf-sol-lng-obs, SP)--sold to SP #8002 (1948) to SPMW #7117 to UP (1996) to pvt. owner #150 to AC&W #150 (2012)--see here: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3258599 (Jacob J. Nelson photo)

104. Meadow Lark (Lot #6352, Plan #3991C, 1930, 2C-3DB-buf-sol-lng-obs, SP)--sold to NYNH&H (1948) converted to business car #3 to Ashland Court Motel (1964) to Doug Brown (1982) to Chesapeake RY Assoc. (2005)

105. Golden Peak (Lot #6125, Plan #3959A, 1928, 3C-2DR-lng-obs, SP, ex-Crystal Peak)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Lucius Beebe and converted to business car Virginia City (1954) to VA City Rail Corp. (#800313)

106. Monte Leone (Lot #4923, Plan #3521A, 1925, 10S-buf-lng-obs, SP)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to SP and converted to business car #110 Los Angeles (1954) to FCP (1977) to White River Scenic to pvt. owner--see here: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35667

107. Louis Frontenac (Lot #6015, Plan #3959F, 1926, 3C-2DR-lng-obs, SP)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to SP and converted to business car #117 Tucson (1955) to C&NW #405 Flambeau (1987) to pvt. owner #800557--see here: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35667

108. Balboa (Lot #6015, Plan #3959, 1926, 3C-2DR-lng-obs, SP)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to SP and converted to NWP business car #1 Redwood (1953) to SP #131 Western to Sacramento to Los Angeles to Uncommon Journeys to IFE Leasing to pvt. owner #800385--see here: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35667

109. Shannon (Lot #4591, Plan #2410F, 1920/41, 12S-1DR, SOU)--Tourist #1816 sold to SOU #3102 (1947) converted to business car #10 to #3 to Conrail #1 to NS #4 Michigan (#800221)

110. Norman W. Kittson (Lot #6249, Plan #3990, 1929, barber-buf-sol-lng-obs, SOU)--sold to SOU and converted to business car #15 (1945) to NS #15 to executive sleeper #9 Alabama (#800769)

111. Osceola (Lot #4503, Plan #2410F, 1917/41, 12S-1DR, SOU)--Tourist #1708 sold to SOU #3101 (1947) converted to business car #11 to #6 to #16 Tennessee to NS executive sleeper #11 (#800782)

112. McCreery (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR, SOU)--sold to SOU #2484 (1948) converted to recreation-executive sleeper #18 (1961) to NS #13 Georgia (#800784)

113. Ronneby (Lot #4590, Plan #2410F, 1920/43, 12S-1DR, SOU)--Tourist #2632 sold to SOU #3103 (1947) converted to business car #20 to #7 to NS #20 Ohio (#800774)

114. Lake Childs (Lot #4996, Plan #3585A, 1926, 10S-1DR-2C, SOU)--sold to SOU (1948) converted to exhibition-baggage #24 (1967) to NS #27 (#800779)

115. Marco Polo (Lot #6037, Plan #3972, 1927, 5BD pvt. car, CofG)--sold to CofG Atlanta (1944) to NS #30 Marco Polo

116. General Polk (Lot #6323, Plan #3521C, 1930, 10S-buf-lng-obs, WofA)--sold to WofA (1948) to GA and converted to business car #300 (1953) to Family Lines #300 (1983) to John H. Heard Georgia #300 (#800111)

117. Federal (Lot #3812, Plan #2492, 1911, pvt. car, DL&W)--sold to DL&W #98 (1933) to EL #98 to Ringling Bros. to Dave Luca #800713

118. Alexander Griggs (Lot #6373, Plan #4084B, 1930/39, 6S-6DB, GN)--sold to GN #1010 (1948) converted to business car #A1 (1957) to BN #A1 to #A3 to BNSF #3 Red River (#800185) (1995)

119. Mt. Tom (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) converted to business car #364 (1952) to pvt. owner (1972) to pvt. owner Ohio River (1982) to M&E #2001 (#800228)

120. David C. Shepard (Lot #6249, Plan #3990, 1929, barber-buf-sol-lng-obs, GN)--sold to GN as buffet lounge #1073 (1941) converted to coach #1085 converted to instruction #X7853 to BN #B2 to #B12 converted to sleeper lounge #A11 Deschutes River to BNSF #60 Stevens Pass (#800266)

121. Great Spirit (Lot #4782, Plan #3953C, 1924, 3C-1DR-lng-obs, Monon)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Monon and converted to business car #2 (1953) to L&N to Leonard Brown #2 Lynne (1971) to Monon RR H&TS #2 The Monon (#800350) (2011)

122. Stag Hound (Lot #6327, Plan #3999B, 1930, buf-lng-plr [39 seats], NYNH&H)--sold to NYNH&H (1945) converted to commuter club #5108 (1957) to Jim Bradley (1962) to RMNE (1988)--see here: http://www.rmne.org/about/roster/index.php#passenger

************END OF PART TWO************

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
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Any word on what happened to Glen Blair, a 6&3 which was intact for years at Brunswick, Md. car shops? I don't think it was scrapped in place, I think it may have been moved prior to that area being cleaned out, but I don't really know for sure.


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Rainier Rails wrote:


121. Great Spirit (Lot #4782, Plan #3953C, 1924, 3C-1DR-lng-obs, Monon)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Monon and converted to business car #2 (1953) to L&N to Leonard Brown #2 Lynne (1971) to Monon RR H&TS #2 The Monon (#800350) (2011)

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Ranier Rails -

First of all, thanks for taking the time to compile and type out these lists. I see you are from Seattle so must drink a lot of their coffee in order to stay awake while you are working on such an effort as this.

Secondly, a bit of clarification on Great Spirit. Yes, she was eventually donated to the Monon Railroad Historical-Technical Society and moved to the Indiana Railway Museum in French Lick, Indiana. And yes, the President of the MRHTS wanted to rename her as the Monon to honor the railroad. However, it was put to a vote of the MRHTS membership and we decided in favor of Lynne and that is the name she is now (again) known by. She carried the name Lynne when in service on the Monon until she was eventually renumbered simply as number 2.

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A note that two cars listed at Central Pa. Chapter NRHS at White Deer, Pa. have been sold to the West Va. Central and are awaiting shipment by truck (or whatever) from Pennsylvania to West Va.; I believe the two are Horatio and McClellandville, but await confirmation and movement before updating.


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Thanks, Les, for the compliment and clarification on Monon #2!

Thanks, ADM IV, for the info on the cars at White Deer!

J3a--I'll do some looking around for info on the Glen Blair.

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