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Author:  Topfuel [ Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:33 pm ]
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"Are these all heavyweights??? Anyone know of pictures of these cars???"


Yes, all heavyweights at the Indianapolis Union Station hotel, and I believe all came from Conrail MW service.

Needless to say, none of these cars are "fully restored" by any stretch of the imagination.

Author:  etalcos [ Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:57 pm ]
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jmlaboda wrote:
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This car has been on Stone Mountain Scenic for many years but I have had no luck in figuring out which car this is. Hopefully something yet can be determined about it.


The Central of Georgia acquired two Plan 3521A 10 Section - lounge observation cars from Pullman, Monte Rosa and Mt. Ouray... I would bet that this car is one of them. Monte Rosa became Central of Georgia 32802 PROGRESS Instruction car, which now resides in Orlando, Fl. Mt. Ouray is listed as being acquired as well but withdrawn from Pullman lease not quite a year after it was acquired. It wasn't selected by CofG to become a business car (both the ATLANTA and SAVANNAH histories are known) so what happened to this car? It yet may be that this is the car that is at Stone Mountain.


This car is the "Capital Heights".

Author:  jmlaboda [ Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:27 pm ]
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This car is the "Capital Heights".


With all respect intended it simply couldn't be... there has never been a Pullman car by that name.

Author:  Mount Royal [ Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:40 am ]
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Does anyone know what became of Mount Mansfield?

Author:  Topfuel [ Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:09 pm ]
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"This car is the "Capital Heights".

"With all respect intended it simply couldn't be... there has never been a Pullman car by that name.


Jim: See page 146 of the Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars by Wayner. Car Capitol Heights, ex-Monte Vista 10 sec obs lounge.

I assume "Capital" Heights in the thread is a typo and "Capitol" is the correct spelling.

Author:  VinylRailfan [ Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:30 pm ]
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jmlaboda wrote:
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Cars at Indianapolis Crowne Plaza - Union Station


Are these all heavyweights??? Anyone know of pictures of these cars???



Jerry, below are some links for images of some of the cars. A quick search found some views, few of which show the entire side of a car, but they are the best I've been able to find at the moment.

-"Lillian Russell": http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/09/1412850084021_wps_8_INDIANAPOLIS_INDIANA_SEPT.jpg (Barcroft USA photo)
-"Diamond Jim Brady": https://www.flickr.com/photos/kyrielle/238455879/ (Laura photo)
-"P.T. Barnum": https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/JVWBnMx8fbXo2o7fll7w2w/o.jpg (photographer unknown)
-"Benjamin Franklin": https://www.flickr.com/photos/jayztrainz/32886096173/ (Jason Leverton photo)
-"John Philip Sousa": https://www.flickr.com/photos/146901152@N02/34091414994/ (Keelson Group photo)
-"Winston Churchill": http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/09/1412850101557_wps_12_INDIANAPOLIS_INDIANA_SEPT.jpg (Barcroft USA photo)
-"Rudolph Valentino": https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/8e/d0/32/crowne-plaza-indianapolis.jpg (photographer unknown)

Author:  jmlaboda [ Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:44 pm ]
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I assume "Capital" Heights in the thread is a typo and "Capitol" is the correct spelling.


That works!!! Thanks!!!

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Jerry, below are some links for images of some of the cars.


Thanks!!! This is the first I have seen anything on these cars... surprising in a way but it looks like its pretty close corners which would preclude taking good shots of the cars.

Author:  bestazy [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:31 am ]
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Hello All,
I was wondering how many surviving examples of pullman heavyweight sleeper, parlour, and other would be pullman operated heavyweight cars left in existence today? Are there any surviving platform observation cars that were never business cars? What classes of cars have survivors?
Thanks,

Author:  Dennis Storzek [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:15 am ]
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The Illinois Railway Museum has the Pullman ten section-parlor-obs car INGLEHOME. This 1910 built car went from Pullman to the Illini Railroad Club, as their CHIEF ILLINI, and then to the museum about 1971.

Image

Author:  VinylRailfan [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:04 pm ]
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bestazy wrote:
Hello All,
I was wondering how many surviving examples of pullman heavyweight sleeper, parlour, and other would be pullman operated heavyweight cars left in existence today? Are there any surviving platform observation cars that were never business cars? What classes of cars have survivors?
Thanks,


By my counts there are 439 or so sleepers, parlors, etc. in existence

As for open platform cars, several cars in the Mt./Mountain/Monte Series (10 Section-Obs.) that still exist in their relatively original forms along with other cars.

Below is a list of the cars, pulled from this thread as well as my own list, that are still extant that haven't been rebuilt to Business Cars. They are either in original form, mostly original form, or have been otherwise converted to MOW usage. I did include cars built as part of Pullman's Private Car fleet along with a handful of wood cars.

-"Central Park" 3-2-Lou.-Obs. (Lake Shore Railway Museum)
-"Central Plateau" (Cisco, IL)
-A Mystery Car at the Oklahoma Science Museum
-"Commandant" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Pacific Southwest Railway Museum)
-"Courtier" 10 Sect.-Obs., sold to B&O (Western Maryland Scenic)
-"Crystal Peak" 3-2-Lounge-Obs., as PV "Virginia City"
-"Empire State" Parlor-DR-Obs. (Fayetteville, AR)
-"Federal" Private Car (Arizona Railway Museum)
-"Ferdinand Magellan" Private Car (Gold Coast Railroad Museum)
-"Inglehome" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Illinois Railway Museum)
-"Los Angeles" Private Car (Southeastern Railway Museum)
-"Magdala" 10 Sect.-Lounge-Obs. (Reading RR Heritage Museum)
-"Monte Baldo" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Circus World Museum)
-"Monte Rosa" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Florida Railroad Museum)
-"Mountain Road" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Railway Museum of Greater Cincinnati)
-"Mt. Darwin" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Galveston Railroad Museum)
-"Mt. Doane" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Durham Museum, Omaha)
-"Mt. Hillers" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Tilton, NH)
-"Murphid" 10 Sect.-Obs. (RMGC)
-"Musina" 10 Sect.-Obs., sold to B&O (Whitewater Valley RR)
-"Ortega" 10 Sect.-Obs. (Manchester, VT) (Wood)
-"Silver xxxx" 2-1-Lou.-Obs. (Prairie du Chien, WI)
-"Tonawanda Valley" Single Bedroom-DR-Obs. (Danbury Railway Museum)
-"Veritas" Lounge-Compartment-Obs. (Conway Scenic Railroad) (Wood)
-Unknown 10 Sect-Obs., WVC 120 (Durbin & Greenbrier Valley)
-Unknown Parlor-Obs. (Ameristar Casino, Kansas City) (Wood)

Author:  christarie2011 [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:39 pm ]
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Engine 8374 is owned by my uncle, Kenneth Marks. I remember moving it from Illinois as well. We have some photos of us kids playing on the trains while my dad and uncle worked on the preparation of the move.

Author:  christarie2011 [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:41 pm ]
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My uncle also owns the Pullman car that used to sit by Stromsburg, NE, but I don’t have much information on the car itself. I have some photos of it being moved, which I can send by request only.

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