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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:32 pm 

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Reportedly Silver Planet was destroyed by fire in Mexico sometime during 2015.


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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:59 am 

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This is a public Yahoo group, so there "should" be no trouble accessing the information. However, with the way Yahoo's development people have been coding the /neo/ system ... who knows?

I have access to the list as linked, and here is the information, combining only the listed information from the two posts (perhaps making this in essence a 'derivative work' for moral concerns), in the original Spanish:

EL NdeM #3546 (era parte del tren presidencial la sala de juuntas)

EL NdeM MORELOS #103 (COCHE ESPECIAL DE SCT), (cuando lo estuvimos
remodelando encontramos que en los marcos de sus ventanas aparecia el nombre
"CHICAGO")

EL NdeM 6000 KINKI (PRIMERA ESPECIAL)

EL DORMITORIO 756 OVIEDO

EL DORMITORIO "SAVANNA" #2766 (nunca llego a MEXICO estuvo listo para llegar
pero nunca entro)

EL DORMITORIO "BLUE GROVE" #2591 (nunca llego a MEXICO estuvo listo para
llegar pero nunca entro)

EL DORMITORIO "BLUE NOTT" #2505 (nunca llego a MEXICO estuvo listo para
llegar pero nunca entro)

EL DORMITORIO "PINELLAS COUNTY" #2592 (nunca llego a MEXICO estuvo listo
para llegar pero nunca entro)

EL COCHE PRIVADO #3518

EL COCHE DOMO #108

NdeM 3546
Gerencia General-Oficina
Coche especial
Pullman Car and MFG Co., E.U., 1912
Adquirido a Chesapeake and Ohio Railway, Co., 1951
Número anterior: 4012
Recibido en Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas
Costo: 173,000 doláres

Capacidad: 25 plazas
Tara: 74, 600

NdeM 3518
Coche especial
American Car and Foundry Co., E.U.
Adquirido: Cadena de periodicos García Valseca, 1969
Nombre anterior: NYC 68 Sunrise Broock y CPGV 108 Puebla
Capacidad: 8 plazas
Tara: 57, 152

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:35 pm 
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Topfuel wrote:
Reportedly Silver Planet was destroyed by fire in Mexico sometime during 2015.


Darn. Was any damage reported to have been done to the other cars stored in the street with the Silver Planet in San Luis Potosi?

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:18 pm 

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Darn. Was any damage reported to have been done to the other cars stored in the street with the Silver Planet in San Luis Potosi?

I only saw a picture of the Silver Planet with a burned-out dome section. I don't know if any of the other cars were also damaged.


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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:51 am 
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Topfuel wrote:
I only saw a picture of the Silver Planet with a burned-out dome section. I don't know if any of the other cars were also damaged.


Thanks, Topfuel. I wonder how much structural damage was done to the car. If it got hot enough, and the dome frames started to melt...well, let's not dwell on that, shall we?

Hopefully in the future more info on the extent of the damage will become available.

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:08 am 

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Google Street View link from December 2015 showing what's left of the Silver Creek International train stored in the street in San Luis Potosi, MX. Silver Planet was stored with these cars a few years ago, but is no longer visible in the street view. The other cars are heavily vandalized. The ex-NYC observation car is gone too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@22.1673178 ... 312!8i6656

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:42 pm 
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Thanks, Dave, for the link to the newer street view.

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:33 pm 

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Gonna resurrect this thread (it's been 2 years) and see if anyone has any new information about the ex-WP dome car "Silver Planet" and the ex-NYC tall-window observation car shown in these Google Street View pictures from 2014 in San Luis Potosi, Mexico. They were originally part of the Silver Creek International tour train, but appeared to have been abandoned later with the rest of the consist. They appear in the street view photos from 2014, but not 2015, although the rest of the consist is there. Silver Planet appears to have been torched, and is rumored to have been scrapped, but the ex-NYC obs appears to be in pretty good condition. If anyone's interested, they are on Arenal street in San Luis Potosi.

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:21 pm 

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The newest photo or mention I could find was from 2013:
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/draco_ ... otostream/

It obviously was open to vandals because a vandal not smart enough to think through how it would be viewed wrote inside the dome. In the notes commenters as recently as five months ago say they are not sure where it is now, curious why they would cut only one and not the others unless as you suggested it was gutted in a fire.


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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:08 am 

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To clarify, both the Silver Planet and the ex-NYC observation car (I can't verify it's original number) are gone, as is the section of track they were sitting on. There are still 5 other cars, at least in the 2015 street view, in the same place, all in similar or worse condition. There is no way anything could be moved by rail, as the rails are paved over in several places. I'd like to believe someone realized their significance and removed them with a flatbed and cranes, but that's unlikely. There is a small railroad museum in the old station in San Luis Potosi with a steam locomotive and a few other passenger cars, but Google Street View doesn't show the missing cars on the property.

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger cars south of the border
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:36 am 

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davew833 wrote:
There is a small railroad museum in the old station in San Luis Potosi with a steam locomotive and a few other passenger cars, but Google Street View doesn't show the missing cars on the property.



It has a facebook page and a website, but don't bother looking for roster-type photos (or a roster), the website has a photo archive ("galeria") but I gave up trying to load it. Overall I was reminded of that scene in the original Rollerball where James Caan was trying to find out information from the computer in the library:
https://www.facebook.com/museodelferrocarrilslp/
http://www.museodelferrocarril.gob.mx/#home

Trip advisor has more photos, but a weird emphasis on the outside-braced wood boxcar/ converted coach (plus a nice steamer). I looked through them but I don't think either of the cars you mentioned are there:
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_ ... _Gulf.html

The museum seems to serve a different purpose than a US UK or European railroad museum.


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