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| Author: | Les Beckman [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Cordicron wrote: I don't recall any arcing from the shoe and wire which I find curious. "Cordicron" - On one of the many short video's, I did notice a little bit of arcing. It's very quick and you have to be lucky to see it. Les |
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| Author: | TimReynolds [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Nice theme question. I tend to look to what causes the “train” to be. A) Was the “train” inspired by a historical landscape? Or B) Was the “train” once a part of the historical landscape? Then the same can be applied to the trackage upon which the “train” resides. C) Was the trackage inspired by a historical landscape? Or D) Was the trackage once a part of the historical landscape? This will give you a classification matrix for the train you are assessing. Take Knott’s Berry Farm’s train. It would be a B/C. The locomotives and rolling stock were once a part of the historical landscape but the trackage was inspired by the historical landscape. The Portland Zoo’s train would score A/C. Both train and trackage are inspired by the historical landscape. This macro matrix could be further specified by adding additional criteria. Criteria that would allow one to classify a locomotive such as 4501 which though an original has been significantly modified beyond its historical fabric (tender, stoker, feedwater, low water alarm, roller bearings, etc.) Back to the question does it count? This is still a free country, and train’s significance is and always will be subjective. When a theme park gets rid of a train it is a loss to us all because it demonstrates a lack of general interest. |
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| Author: | J3a-614 [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Oh my, look what turned up on my Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ebtrr/photos/a ... tif_t=like Using Mr. Reynolds' matrix, this scene would be an A/B/D. |
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| Author: | Bobharbison [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
I was aware of the Crown testing on EBT. I was not aware any Crown made it to Hawaii. Is that just some random FB comment, or is there some truth behind it? I thought I recalled it went to someplace like Six Flags. |
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| Author: | TimReynolds [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
I'm in GA and we have the Stone Mountain Scenic RR. From its start it was all over the map A/B/C/D. Historical equipment modified to look like something from the past operating on trackage that was inspired by the past with parts on the old quarry ROW. In 50 more years the Stone Mountain Scenic RR will be an antique... |
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| Author: | J3a-614 [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
A park railroad with some beautiful and authentic looking locomotives--in Spain! Port Adventura Park, complete with bluegrass music and steam locomotives by Severn Lamb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zICCSPoMMOQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQVek72imPI Somehow this is appropriate when you recall the "Spaghetti Westerns" of Sergio Leone. . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l3peRYyBCQ |
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| Author: | J3a-614 [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Perhaps borderline with a track gauge of 33 inches, and electric power--the Seaton Tramway: http://www.tram.co.uk/ http://www.tripatini.com/profiles/blogs/seaton-tramway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmd0jXbk7t8#t=34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_DD__2xm0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7inwyASDrw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZm12RM01zo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4asX0eZtal0 One of the things that stands out about the Seaton trams is the sound--so familiar to those of the electric persuasion. |
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| Author: | J3a-614 [ Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Just came across this while looking for something else--the clearest photo I've seen yet of the "Wildlife Adventure" themed park train at Disney World: http://www.hiddenmickeyguy.com/sites/de ... Disney.jpg The "article" the photo came from. The interesting thing to me is that the author, who does not seem to be what we would call a serious rail enthusiast, did take the time to note that these Severn Lamb steam outline locomotives are based on an Aspinwall designed locomotive built for service in India. http://www.hiddenmickeyguy.com/news/tak ... en-mickeys Too bad this isn't "real" steam! |
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| Author: | J3a-614 [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Coalition for Sustainable Rail has been a sometimes controversial subject here (this is the group that wants to set a new steam speed record with a former Santa Fe 4-6-4, using "biocoal" made from renewable wood), but they are apparently serious enough to do instrumented testing--and who is going to say Milwaukee Zoo's 15 inch gauge No. 1924 (Sandley, 1977) doesn't sound and look impressive? https://www.facebook.com/csrail/videos/920822814695335/ https://www.facebook.com/csrail/videos/924310427679907/ https://www.facebook.com/csrail/photos/ ... =3&theater Alternate links for those who can't get Facebook: https://vimeo.com/170506818 https://vimeo.com/174938911 https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5814CA36 http://csrail.org/newsroom?tag=Milwaukee%20Zoo%20Train |
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| Author: | Jennie K [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Bobharbison wrote: I was aware of the Crown testing on EBT. I was not aware any Crown made it to Hawaii. Is that just some random FB comment, or is there some truth behind it? I thought I recalled it went to someplace like Six Flags. No Crowns went to Hawaii,however the two locomotives that were rebuilt by Keystone Light Railways for the LK&P were tested on the EBT. As I recall this was the first three foot locomotive that Crown built, and went to Legend City in Arizona |
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| Author: | o anderson [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
It seems appropriate that the biocoal tests occurred on the Milwaukee Zoo railroad. I recall they had done extensive testing and analysis in the 80s or 90s regarding the efficiency of fuel and operating costs for a steam-powered park train. So it is already a test-bed of sorts. I also recall that Sandley incorporated some innovations in his locomotive designs, such as gear-driven rotary valves. To my knowledge, the Milwaukee Zoo railroad is the only commercial-installation park train operation of the Sandley's that remains today. Also surviving, of course, is the home-operation of the Sandley's on the Riverside and Great Northern in the Dells, which is like a miniature railway museum/EBT in and of itself. It was abandoned and dormant for 6 years or so before being restored by a group of volunteers. http://dellstrain.com/museum-history/ |
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| Author: | bigjim4life [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Ok - after 7 pages of this, if we could sum up (and that's a big if) - what are generally speaking, "real" trains - especially concerning steam locomotives - as opposed to park or "fake" trains - again especially concerning steam locomotives? |
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| Author: | Ron Travis [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
bigjim4life wrote: Ok - after 7 pages of this, if we could sum up (and that's a big if) - what are generally speaking, "real" trains - especially concerning steam locomotives - as opposed to park or "fake" trains - again especially concerning steam locomotives? Lots of lines could be drawn to create categories, but I don't see how a line could be drawn in terms of real trains versus park trains. The problem is in defining "real." Also, I would not consider park trains to be "fake". That term too needs a definition. |
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| Author: | bigjim4life [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
Ron Travis wrote: bigjim4life wrote: Ok - after 7 pages of this, if we could sum up (and that's a big if) - what are generally speaking, "real" trains - especially concerning steam locomotives - as opposed to park or "fake" trains - again especially concerning steam locomotives? Lots of lines could be drawn to create categories, but I don't see how a line could be drawn in terms of real trains versus park trains. The problem is in defining "real." Also, I would not consider park trains to be "fake". That term too needs a definition. Very well then - let's start drawing up some categories... |
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| Author: | Rick Rowlands [ Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Are Park Trains "Real" Trains? |
I tend to think of anything 24" gauge and larger to be in the realm of "real" railroading, with anything below that getting into the park train category. Now there can be some overlap but generally once you get to 24" you are using larger and heavier built equipment, much of it formerly used in industry. |
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