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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:08 am 

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So is there a reasonably complete set of parts drawings existing for any of the WW1 American two foot locos?


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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:48 pm 

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I didnt know they had trench railways, first time learning everyday.


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Check out the background of this photo taken at the recent "War and Peace" show in the UK, I'd love to know more about this:
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http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_07_2013/post-8022-0-61690500-1374554384.jpg

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:50 pm 

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Lee, I found this on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQ7l7qsYg8

There's likely lots more out there, but I'm short of time today. Hope this will give you a lead to follow!

Steve Hunter


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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:52 pm 

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You can probably find the specifications for the Baldwin built locos on the Degolyer Library web site at Southern Methodist University. If you contact them you can see if they have any drawings in their collection.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:53 pm 

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I should have had the link for the specifications before I wrote but here it is: http://digitalcollections.smu.edu/cdm/s ... /rwy/id/32.

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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:21 pm 

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Ron Goldfeder wrote:
You can probably find the specifications for the Baldwin built locos on the Degolyer Library web site at Southern Methodist University. If you contact them you can see if they have any drawings in their collection.


Neither the 2-6-2T nor the 4-6-0T blueprints are at SMU. Been there, looked for them. I have the broadside of the Prairie, would really like to find the second sheet with the sections. I was able to purchase a significant amount of the rolling stock drawings (practically enough to build from scratch) from the Pullman Library at IRM in Marengo.

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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:53 pm 

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Not railroad related, but very much of the First World War--a fairly large collection of photographs from The Atlantic:

http://disqus.club/goto.php?url=http:// ... ernfront1/

Image quality is amazingly good for the most part, at least compared to all the grainy stuff we normally see. One might even argue the image quality might be too good, revealing the discomfort and agony of trench warfare.


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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:05 pm 

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The history of the 21st engineers done shortly after the way states that several different kinds of locos were used by them. Page 209.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/60208362/Twen ... ht-Railway
It speaks highly of the British WDLR 40 HP Simplexs made by Motor Rail. This company is now owned by Alan Keef LTD.
http://www.alankeef.co.uk/open_day.html
A look at a website devoted to the 40s- known as Tin Turtles, reveals that during the restoration of one, Keefs were able to supply at least one part drawing.
http://www.bagofbits.com/tinturtle/


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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:44 pm 

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GuyFay wrote:
So is there a reasonably complete set of parts drawings existing for any of the WW1 American two foot locos?


No, not in the USA anyway. ALCO burned theirs, and Baldwin trashed most of their pre-1938 drawings, SMU got a percent or two. Some obscure US Army archives, or GB loco builder archives that got a set of drawings to build from back in WW1 might be the only way any set survives, but no one has found anything yet.

SZuiderveen is always on the trail.

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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:23 pm 

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Any luck with the Baldwin 0-6-0s that were sold to the French, but then used by the Americans? The Baldwin build Pechots?

That's to Szuiderveen for the tip about IRM, following up on that.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:38 pm 

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1917 Baldwin War Military Supplis flyer is online:
http://books.google.com/books?id=IAAqAQ ... ve&f=false


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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:14 pm 

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The spec sheets state that the driving wheels, tires, axles, and complete leading and trailing trucks were made by Standard Steel Works- has anyone checked for those parts with Illinois Rail Museum, as apparently this company later became part of Pullman Standard?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:43 pm 

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I think you've got Standard Steel Co. mixed up with Standard Car Co. Both were Pennsylvania companies, and Standard car Co. was indeed absorbed by Pullman. Standard Steel, on the other hand, was a subsidiary of Baldwin Locomotive Works, and it still exists today as a manufacturer of railroad wheels and axles in Burnham, Pa., near Lewistown. In its day, Standard Steel manufactured all sorts of large castings for Baldwin, including locomotive and tender frames, driver centers, truck frames, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: WW I Railroaders
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:51 pm 

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Let me add a bit about the rail cars for the 60 cm (2 ft gauge) trench warfare during WWI. At IRM's Pullman Library, we can find drawings of cars built by Standard Steel Car Company in Pennsylvania and under contract by Haskell & Barker in Michigan City Indiana. There are four cars that I recall: the commonly referenced flat car, the low height box car too low to be seen traveling in the trenches, the gondola, and a design for a tank car. In addition to the general drawings of car layout, there are individual parts drawings. I imagine these would be useful to recreate a wwi trench layout of the trains from maps and kitbashing of available models. I have thought of it myself but have no time available to make a recreation in N scale. It would be informative to include a historical exhibit of French WWI standard gauge and narrow gauge lines in a place like the Cantigny Park War Memorial in Suburban Chicago. There are a number of the WWI European standard gauge drawings as well as the narrow gauge drawings at the library. All are available under licensed purchase of copies from the Pullman Library.
Ted Anderson, volunteer curator.
P.S. Our time at the library is limited. Most communications are by mail, or by email to via the IRM website. Please be patient and remind us if necessary!

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