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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:56 am 

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Machinehead (sorry I didn't find your name)-I just sent you a PM. I recently bought a copy of the January 1934 Baldwin Locomotives magazine and it has a 2-page article on Whitcomb. I'd be happy to email a .jpg of the article, so check your PM and let me know how to get this to you.


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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
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Thought a few people might find this Whitcomb of interest in Lake Wales Florida.

Is the bell placement shown in these photographs common for these locomotives ?


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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:57 pm 
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John D wrote:
Machinehead (sorry I didn't find your name)-I just sent you a PM. I recently bought a copy of the January 1934 Baldwin Locomotives magazine and it has a 2-page article on Whitcomb. I'd be happy to email a .jpg of the article, so check your PM and let me know how to get this to you.


John, I just tried to respond to your email and it failed. Don't know why.

I'll try to send it to you here.

Thank you very much for the information.

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:11 pm 
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Thought a few people might find this Whitcomb of interest in Lake Wales Florida.

Is the bell placement shown in these photographs common for these locomotives ?


Dean Levin

It would appear that the bell placement was common:

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:46 am 

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machinehead61 wrote:
John D wrote:
Machinehead (sorry I didn't find your name)-I just sent you a PM. I recently bought a copy of the January 1934 Baldwin Locomotives magazine and it has a 2-page article on Whitcomb. I'd be happy to email a .jpg of the article, so check your PM and let me know how to get this to you.


John, I just tried to respond to your email and it failed. Don't know why.

I'll try to send it to you here.

Thank you very much for the information.

Steve


Steve-didn't find anything in my PM/inbox. Is there a way I can send you an rypn email/PM and submit an attachment with it? I'll try attaching here and see what that does.


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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:56 pm 
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Here is my email:

oconnorsteve61@gmail.com

It appears you don't have an email set up in RPN. Anyway your scans showed up and look fantastic. I have seen this but it was in a fat bound volume and scanning it was impossible. Your scans are far superior to my photographs.

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:34 am 

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machinehead61 wrote:
PLATFORMCAR wrote:
Thought a few people might find this Whitcomb of interest in Lake Wales Florida.

Is the bell placement shown in these photographs common for these locomotives ?


Dean Levin

It would appear that the bell placement was common:

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Steve


Steve -

I'm a little surprised that no one has commented on the classification lights on the top of the hood on the U. S. Army locomotive in the bottom photo. Perhaps there were some other photos of these Whitcomb's so adorned, but too tired tonight to go back through all the photos in this long thread to check. Maybe tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:18 am 

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I'm sure they are removable, Les, only hung when needed. many of the photos show the brackets on top of the hood, and covered receptacles at the top of the hood front, pretty much what ALCO hood units had.

As far as I know, when the US Army took over an operation, they instituted their own operating rules, which were base on US industry standards of the era... which means, if you want to run extra trains, you need white signals.

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:42 pm 
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Dennis Storzek wrote:
. . . if you want to run extra trains, you need white signals.

Can you explain what "white signals" are. I don't know about them.

In a lot of war zones during WW II, the Whitcombs would run at night with no lights on and it made for nerve racking trips with unexpected stops when they discovered that the tracks and bridges were no longer safe - or gone.

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In Lebanon on the then-new Haifa-Beirut-Tripoli Line. Photo by Arthur Booker. Sent from the Israel Railway Museum by Chen Melling who has become a fantastic source of photos never seen before in this continent.

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:22 pm 

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machinehead61 wrote:
Dennis Storzek wrote:
. . . if you want to run extra trains, you need white signals.

Can you explain what "white signals" are. I don't know about them.



When operating under timetable/train order system of dispatching; the lead engine would carry flags or lights denoting what type of train it was on the timetable. Various lines called them different things, such as Class lights or markers.

Typical practice used Red, Green, and White.

White almost universally meant "extra" or not listed on the timetable

http://www.pbase.com/kd4jsl/image/147894721

Seen here: KJRY 1750 is showing white class lights (small globes above number boards)
Inside the nose are colored lenses that can also show green and red. I had requested that even though Keokuk Junction doesn't use a timetable, the lead engine show white "extra" lights since this was not a revenue run

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:28 pm 
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Thank you bulby, never knew that.

For whose benefit would the lights be for?

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:39 pm 

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machinehead61 wrote:
Thank you bulby, never knew that.

For whose benefit would the lights be for?

Steve


The lights would let the operator (at a tower or station) or the crew of passing train know what the train approaching them was.

For example, the New York Central designated that green lights or flags indicated that a second part or section of a train was following the train with the lights. So if the 20th century limited is running with a second section due to high business, the green flags on the first section tell the operators that when the tell the dispatcher that the Century is past, it is just "first century" and later "second century" will come through.

Red lights meant the end of a movement.

White tells the operator to stop looking at the timetable for what train is coming, it is not on the timetable.

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:46 pm 
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Fascinating. Learned something new today.

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:08 pm 
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The Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania has a few Whitcomb photos -

http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/

including the original negative from WW II of the camouflaged 65 ton Diesels in Africa:

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 Post subject: Re: From Rochelle IL and doing Whitcomb Locomotive Research
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:20 pm 

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The Leatherwood Museum, in Oakdale, Louisiana, has a 650 photograph collection of photographs taken by local photographer Harold Hudgens in 1941 and 1942 in fullfillment of a U.S.Army contract to document the construction of the Claiborne and Polk Military Railroad. Included in these photos are pictures of British War Department 65 ton armored Whitcomb units #1242 and 1243. The pictures include the units, boxed on flat cars for delivery, set up, and use at a later time. In addition, there is a War Department film which can be accessed here on utube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz54FcA4wqA


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