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 Post subject: Streamlined Russian Steam films
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:08 am 

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Not sure how my son found this, but a short compendium of streamlined Russian steam locomotive designs.

While I won't make any cases for their tastes, there are some interesting pacing shots contained. I don't think this has popped up here before. However, to stay on topic, have any of the streamlined designs been plinthed in the former Soviet Union?

Anyway, a fun little short: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=t-lINmZnNBc&feature=endscreen

Michael Seitz
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 Post subject: Re: Streamlined Russian Steam films
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:54 am 

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Here is an interesting link to steam locomotives around the world. There seem to be quite a few in Russia.

http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/internat.htm


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:39 am 

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A streamlined Berk. Hmmmm. Wonder if the guys at Ft. Wayne have seen this?


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 Post subject: Re: Streamlined Russian Steam films
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:08 am 

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Frisco1522 wrote:
A streamlined Berk. Hmmmm. Wonder if the guys at Ft. Wayne have seen this?


Not everybody knows this, but the original NKP 2-8-4s, built by Alco around 1934, were originally supposed to be streamlined. There is a diagram of the proposed jacket design in John Rehor's "The Nickel Plate Story," published by Kalmbach back around 1964, just after the merger into the Norfolk & Western. Budgetary considerations caused the streamlining to be dropped.

Streamlining was quite a fad at the time; I've read that the Rutland streamlined a 2-8-0 with Stephenson valve gear for a fast freight that road ran called the Whippet. Maybe someone here has a photo of that engine; it would be interesting to see what the Rutland did.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:57 pm 

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Frisco thought about an Otto Kuhler shroud of one of the 4300 class 4-8-2s they built. Thankfully they didn't do it.
The sketch is in Joe Collias' Frisco Power book.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:08 pm 

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Found a photo of that streamstyled 2-8-0 on the Rutland:

http://wjhudson.files.wordpress.com/201 ... whippt.jpg

Have to include the page where it came from for proper credit:

http://wjhudson.wordpress.com/tag/steam-train-2/


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 Post subject: Re: Streamlined Russian Steam films
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:27 pm 

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Frisco1522 wrote:
Frisco thought about an Otto Kuhler shroud of one of the 4300 class 4-8-2s they built. Thankfully they didn't do it.
The sketch is in Joe Collias' Frisco Power book.


Frisco 1522 -

But didn't the Frisco have some streamlined 4-6-4's that they rebuilt from Pacific's?

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 Post subject: Re: Streamlined Russian Steam films
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:41 pm 

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I don't think Frisco even had 4-6-4s, but they did have streamlined 4-6-2s that were rebuilds of some rather elderly locomotives:

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/fr ... p01364.jpg

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/fr ... p01362.jpg

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/fr ... p01363.jpg

Source page; overall, the site looks like a good one for exploration:

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/fr ... team06.cfm

I'm not a fan of streamlined steam, with a couple of exceptions (N&W's J, SP's Daylights); I will say that the Frisco's design somehow looks very appropriate for a train named the Firefly, the machines somehow remind me of bugs!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:11 pm 

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Don't forget the NYO&W's Mountaineer 4-8-2 number 405, which was very similar to Rutland's Whippet. And the Lackawanna streamlined several Pacifics, Ten Wheelers and even a 4-4-0, which I believe was converted from a Camelback.

Added later; I forgot the Lehigh Valley-


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:03 pm 

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Frisco had 10 Hudsons built from heavy Pacifics built back in WWI days. They ended up in several configurations from skirted w/streamlined pilots/small pilots/different paint/lettering schemes to fully unstreamlined. They were rather large for Hudsons, rode on 74" drivers and were rated at 3600 HP.
They had three Pacifics fully streamlined as illustrated in a previous post, a couple of Pacifics with running board skirts. They had one 1500 class 4-8-2 that was skirted with a streamlined pilot and stainless band on the tender. Thankfully they only had one.
Three of their Northerns were delivered in blue and white with the "Meteor" logo splashed across the tender.
When the dizmals arrived, the blue and white gave way to red and silver passenger diesels and streamlined cars.


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 Post subject: Re: Streamlined Russian Steam films
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:14 pm 

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Frisco 1522 -

Wow! That color photo of SLSF Hudson #1066 has made my day! A tasteful streamlining/painting. This is sure one engine that I wish had been preserved. Got any other color photos of Frisco steam?

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