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Author:  IC382 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:08 pm ]
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http://www.csrail.org/index.php/news-information

Author:  tom moungovan [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:11 pm ]
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Isn't this the only surviving example of an ATSF Super Hudson? Be a shame to butcher it up for an unproven experiment. Just my opinion.

Author:  IC382 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:16 pm ]
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The basic engine isn't to be butchered. In fact, they have a pretty cool idea that could potentially make quite an engineering and visual impact.

The Coalition for Sustainable Rail website has a great deal of information about their plans.

Author:  superheater [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:25 pm ]
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I wish them well, but my gut tells me that the electric traction motor is superior to anything that cannot produce power independent of speed. Forget for a minute the huge switching costs associated with returning to steam.

Technical and economic feasibility are two different matters.

Author:  beacon_joe [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:19 pm ]
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What a shame to alter a one of a kind just to waste money and prove that the diesel is stil superior.

Author:  Mark Z. Yerkes [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:38 pm ]
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beacon_joe wrote:
What a shame to alter a one of a kind just to waste money and prove that the diesel is stil superior.


You sound pretty sure of yourself

Author:  Margaritaman [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:01 pm ]
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At least they're doing something with it as opposed to letting it sit out in the back 40 and rust to death.

Author:  Jeff Lisowski [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:20 pm ]
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Its been awhile since we've heard anything from this group, or maybe I just wasn't paying attention to them.

There was a thread on this group about a year ago or so. The debate got pretty heated last time I remember.

Best wishes to them.

Author:  Dave [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:20 pm ]
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This is a R&D demonstration project for a biofuel alternative.....and should be viewed from that perspective.

dave

Author:  Jeff Lisowski [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:35 pm ]
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They do have on their site a couple of good articles on steam locomotive development for free download in PDF.

http://www.csrail.org/images/plan/White ... motive.pdf

http://www.csrail.org/images/plan/White ... motive.pdf

http://www.csrail.org/images/plan/White ... motive.pdf

Author:  Charlie [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:46 pm ]
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The bottom line is that the locomotive is in good and capable hands. To date a cosmetic restoration has been done on it which has greatly enhanced its appearance.

The previous thread containing all the moaning and groaning is at:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24112&hilit=3463

Author:  superheater [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:13 pm ]
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"You sound pretty sure of yourself."

Peter Drucker once made the assertion that for one technology to displace another, it must be ten times better than what it replaces.

I'm pretty sure that diesel is superior, because it won.

Author:  Mike Swanson [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:13 pm ]
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superheater wrote:
"You sound pretty sure of yourself."

Peter Drucker once made the assertion that for one technology to displace another, it must be ten times better than what it replaces.

I'm pretty sure that diesel is superior, because it won.

Indeed it did, and my own experience with restoring 2926 illustrates why. Of course, most of the "let's go back to steam" types never actually have worked with steam locomotives, so they have no clue what they're really talking about...

Author:  IC382 [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:06 pm ]
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I am sorta...grinning...I wish I had not even posted what I came across. I just thought it was great information to share.

I won't do that again.

Author:  Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:47 pm ]
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Mike Swanson wrote:
Indeed it did, and my own experience with restoring 2926 illustrates why. Of course, most of the "let's go back to steam" types never actually have worked with steam locomotives, so they have no clue what they're really talking about...


Pretty harsh words for the founder of American Coal Enterprises, don't you think??? <:-D

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