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 Post subject: Re: Surviving GN Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:57 pm 

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PLEASE UPDATE THIS:

GN #1273 "Pend Oreille River" transferred to CB&Q #1273 in 1953.
To Lake Superior Railroad Museum at unknown date. Leased to the
Lake Shore Chapter NRHS and located in North East, PA.


Never, never, never owned by Lake Superior Railroad Museum. Lake Shore Railway Historical Society(LSRHS) of North East, PA, bought car directly from railroad. The "Lake Shore chapter" is a sub-set of Lake Shore Railway Historical Society--- the chapeter was never an entity capable of own anything--the "society" has/always had the state charter, etc. Any reference in any source that lists "Lake Shore Chapter NRHS" as an owner of anything is not correct. Car IS / has been at Lake Shore Railway Museum in North East, PA.



GN #1251 "Lake Wenatchee" to Amtrak #8068 (reconfigured to 48 seats).
Retired and sold to Lake Shore Chapter NRHS in North East, PA.


Same comment as above regarding Lake Shore chapter...

BOTH cars were painted in late August/early September 2013. Picture attached.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving GN Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:30 am 
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Ray--

Thanks for the clarification on the two cars in North East and the pictures of the fresh paint! Very nice!

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving GN Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:48 am 
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weekendrailroader wrote:
Also, one BN passenger car, which I believe is former Great Northern, which also came from that Andy's Diner is used off and on as vendor space at Country Village in Bothell, WA.


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As for the car in Bothell, I didn't know about that one and I'm curious to find out more. I had wondered about the other ex-Andy's cars, as I knew my info was incomplete.


Okay, finally got around to doing some digging for the ID of that mystery BN car in Bothell that had previously been part of the Tukwila location of Andy's Diner.

The car in question was built by Budd in 1937 in Lot #981 as FW&D 52 seat coach (chair) #403 "Silver Top". One of four such cars (#400-#403) assigned to Denver-Dallas service. All four were transferred to the new Texas Zephyr in 1940, with the #403 reconfigured to a coach-dinette at that time. Coaches #400-#402 were renumbered to CB&Q #4658-#4660 in 1969. Concurrently, coach-dinette #403 was again reconfigured to a snack bar coach and renumbered to CB&Q #342.

Country Village is also home to GN caboose #X549 and SP&S caboose #793.

Photos:

1. FW&D #403 "Silver Top" in Fort Worth, 9/9/1967: http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr0902/fwd403.jpg (Don Ross photo)

2. FW&D #403 "Silver Top" in Red Oaks, IA, 8/24/1968: http://rr-fallenflags.org/cbq/fwd-siltop-jpa.jpg (B.G. Corbin photo)

3. CB&Q #342 "Silver Top" at Country Village in Bothell: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/9277224999_1060f0db81_o.jpg (findwell photo) (click once to enlarge)

4. CB&Q #342 "Silver Top" at Country Village in Bothell: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Bothell%2C_WA_-_Vice_Consulate_of_Italy_in_rail_car.jpg (Joe Mabel photo)

Sources:

1. CB&Q surviving lightweight passenger cars information: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/remain_passenger.html

2. CB&Q lightweight passenger car roster information: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/stainlessnumber.html

3. Historical pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

4. Caboose information here: http://wasteam.railfan.net/?level=album&id=5&onpage=11

I'll be back soon with the rest of the GN lightweight roster listings.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving GN Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:38 am 

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Pend Oreilli River was an early Amtrak-compliant car, painted in the Phase One Amtrak scheme, when Amtrak decided it wanted ALL cars operating on it's trains to be so painted, Amtrak-owned or not. For at least several trips, if not a few years, it was part of the excursion consists operated by Steam Tours, Inc./Allegheny Railroad Co. with RDG 2102 and other engines. It was a first-class car on the Oct. '76 excursion I rode over Horseshoe Curve behind the '02. BTW, great job by Lake Shore Chapter on the recent re-paint back to GN colors.


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Besides the paint, LSRHS also did a fine job with the original Adlake (Adams & Westlake) aluminum window sashes--no rubber here!

Having received Volume One of W. David Randall's Streamliner Cars, here are disposition additions for a number of P-S built GN sleepers:

1. 4S-7RM-3DB-1C #1261 "Sun River" to BN MofW bunk car #968214

2. 7RM-6DB-1C #1263 "Milk River" to BN MofW bunk car #968213

3. 4S-7RM-3DB-1C #1268 "Mouse River" to BN MofW bunk car #968215

4. 4S-7RM-3DB-1C #1270 "Tobacco River" to BN MofW bunk car #968216

5. 4S-7RM-3DB-1C #1272 "Spokane River" to BN MofW bunk car #968217

6. 7RM-6DB-1C #1274 "Bois De Sioux River" to Amtrak in 1974 as #2402; retired and sold in 1977 to Ampol Wrecking

7. 6RM-5DB-2C #1370 "Rogers Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968167

8. 6RM-5DB-2C #1372 "Akamina Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968168

9. 6RM-5DB-2C #1373 "Santiam Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968169

10. 6RM-5DB-2C #1374 "Park Creek Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968170

11. 6RM-5DB-2C #1376 "Hart Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968171

12. 6RM-5DB-2C #1377 "State Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968172

13. 6RM-5DB-2C #1378 "Firebrand Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968173

14. 6RM-5DB-2C #1379 "Big Horn Pass" (1st) to BN MofW bunk car #968174

15. 6RM-5DB-2C #1380 "Suiattle Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968200

16. 6RM-5DB-2C #1381 "Haines Pass" to BN MofW bunk car #968201

17. 6RM-5DB-2C #1384 "Lewis & Clark Pass" to Amtrak in 1974 as #2450; retired and sold in 1977 to Richard Jordan--now at the Mad River & Nickel Plate Historical Society

18. 6RM-4DB-1C lounge observation #1190 "Choteau Coulee" rebuilt to coach; to Amtrak in 1971 as #6801; retired and sold in 1977 to Boquet Movie Ranch in Newhall, CA

19. 6RM-4DB-1C lounge observation #1191 "Twelve Mile Coulee" rebuilt to coach; to Amtrak in 1971 as #6802; retired and sold in 1977 to Union Center in St. Louis--this car is now owned by Northwestern Rail Equipment (still in faded Amtrak Phase I paint) and stored in Walla Walla, Washington, as NRE #1191

20. 6RM-4DB-1C lounge observation #1192 "Corral Coulee" rebuilt to coach; to Amtrak in 1971 as #6803; retired and sold in 1975 to A.D.C.O. in Mira Loma, CA

21. 6RM-4DB-1C lounge observation #1194 "Trail Coulee" was retired and scrapped in 1969

Source:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

Parts Two (Coaches) and Three (Head End Cars) will be posted soon!

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving GN Lightweight Cars
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I've finally gotten around to typing up the next section of this thread:

Part Three: Coaches

Section A consists of coaches that were originally ordered by and built for GN, including cars owned by CB&Q and SP&S and painted in GN colors.

Section B consists of coaches that were acquired secondhand by GN and SP&S, from C&NW, UP, MKT, and SLSF.

Section C will consist of the P-S coaches built in 1937 for the Empire Builder and the Budd dome coaches built in 1955 for the Empire Builder. I'll post Section C sometime in the next few days.

Section A: Coaches Built for GN

Pacific Railway Equipment Company, 1942:

One Car, 1942, 68 seats:

GN #999 scrapped 1966

P-S, 1947, Lot #6718:

Five Cars, Plan #7495, 1947, 60 seats:

Originally built for and assigned to the 1947 Empire Builder. Reassigned to the Western Star in 1951.

GN coaches #1110-#1113 diagram at FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1110.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #1110 to BN #6000 (not applied) to MofW #968033. No further disposition information.

GN #1111 to BN #6001 (not applied) to MofW #968030. Sold at unknown date to Bruce Moore-Big Pasco Industrial Park. To Northwestern Rail Equipment as NRE #1111 and stored in Walla Walla, WA.

GN #1112 to BN #6002 (applied) to MofW #968032. No further disposition information.

GN #1113 to BN #6003 (not applied) and wrecked in 1971. Randall lists this car as being stored after being wrecked.

CB&Q #1114 to BN #6004 (not applied) to MofW #968031. Sold at unknown date to bar in Elbe, WA.

Ten Cars, Plan #7496, 1947, 48 seats:

Originally built for and assigned to the 1947 Empire Builder. Reassigned to the Western Star in 1951.

GN #1120 to BN #4800 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #122, later renumbered #5309. Sold at unknown date to Idaho, Northern & Pacific RR as INPR #1120 and used as a table car on the Thunder Mountain excursions. Sold at unknown date to Wallowa Union RR as WURR #1120.

GN #1122 to BN #4802 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #117. No further disposition information.

GN #1123 to BN #4803 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #124. No further disposition information.

GN #1125 scrapped in 1969.

GN #1126 to BN #4806 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. No further disposition information.

GN #1128 to BN #4808 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #128. No further disposition information.

GN #1129 to BN #4809 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #120. No further disposition information.

GN #1131 to BN #4811 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. To FCP #1967. No further disposition information.

CB&Q #1132 transferred in 1953 to GN #1132 to BN #4812 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. No further disposition information.

CB&Q #1134 transferred in 1955 to GN #1134 to BN #4814 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. No further disposition information.

GN coaches #1120, #1122-#1123, #1125-#1126, #1128-#1129, #1131-#1135 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1120.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

Five Cars, Plan #7497, 1947, 48 seats:

Originally built for and assigned to the 1947 Empire Builder. Reassigned to the Western Star in 1951.

GN #1121 to BN #4801 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #134. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to Cotten Belt RHS-Arkansas Railroad Museum as #1947 and named Apple Blossom.

GN #1124 to BN #4804 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #106, later renumbered #5302. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to Pacific RR Preservation Association as PRPX #1124, named John G. Melonas, and painted back into Empire Builder Green & Orange. Current status and location unknown.

GN #1127 to BN #4807 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #119. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to Pacific RR Preservation Association as PRPX #1127 and painted back into Empire Builder Green & Orange. Sold in 2001 to Chico Arts Center and located on the street side of the Chico Depot, Chico, CA. Used as gallery space and coffee shop. Lettering changed from EMPIRE BUILDER to EMPIRE TEA & COFFEE in the letterboard, still in the traditional GN Empire Builder font.

GN #1130 to BN #4810 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #104. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to Pacific RR Preservation Association as PRPX #1130, named Ice Lake, and painted back into Empire Builder Green & Orange. To private owner and stored in Willamette Valley, OR.

CB&Q #1133 transferred in 1955 to GN #1133 to BN #4813 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #101. Sold at unknown date to Les Kasten to Illinois Transit Assembly as ITAX #101. Current status and location unknown.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6821:

One Car, Plan #7496, 1950, 48 seats, Empire Builder*:

*Originally built for and assigned to the Empire Builder. Reassigned to the Western Star in 1951.

SP&S #350 (1st) transferred to GN #1135 in 1950 to BN #4815 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #102, later renumbered #5310. Sold (when?) to Tioga Central as TIOC #5310 and named Union Square.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6868:

Five Cars, Plan #7510, 1950, 56 seat coach 8 seat smoker:

SP&S #301 to BN #5671 (applied) and stored in 1971. To wreck train service at unknown date and assigned to Northtown. No further disposition information.

SP&S #302 to BN #5672 (applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. No further disposition information.

SP&S #303 to BN #5673 (applied) to wreck train service and assigned to Havre. No further disposition information.

SP&S #304 to BN #5674 (applied) and stored in 1971. To wreck train service at unknown date and assigned to Cicero. No further disposition information.

SP&S #305 to BN #5675 (applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. No further disposition information.

P-S, 1950, Lot #W6880:

Twelve Cars, Plan #7628, 1950, 48 seats, Mid-Century Empire Builder*:

*#1215-#1220, #1227-#1230, and #350 (2nd) were assigned to the Builder, whereas #1231 served as a protection car, assigned to both the Mid-Century Empire Builder and the 1951 Western Star.

GN coaches #1215-#1218, #1227-#1232 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1215.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #1215 to BN #4816 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #105, later renumbered #5313. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #313. Sold in 2004 to the Minnesota Transportation Museum and currently stored, still in NJT paint.

GN coach #1215 information page on MTM website: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn1215

GN #1216 to BN #4817 (applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #110, later renumbered #5317. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #317 and named New York Central.

GN #1217 to BN #4818 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1218 to BN #4819 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #109, later renumbered #5316. Sold at unknown date to Friends of 261 as NSRX #5316. Sold at unknown date to Delaware Car Company as DLWX #5316. Currently stored in Twin Cities area.

GN #1219 transferred in 1953 to CB&Q #1219 to BN #4820 (applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #111. No further disposition information.

GN #1220 transferred in 1953 to CB&Q #1220 to BN #4821 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #103, later renumbered #5312. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to NRHS Pacific Northwest Chapter and currently stored, still in NJT paint.

GN #1227 to BN #4828 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. No further disposition information.

GN #1228 to BN #4829 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. No further disposition information.

GN #1229 to BN #4830 (applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #118, later renumbered #5320. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to unknown party and stored in Phillipsburg, NJ.

GN #1230 to BN #4831 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #130, later renumbered #5323. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to Ringling Brothers as RBBX #42103.

GN #1231 to BN #4832 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #127. No further disposition information.

SP&S #350 (2nd) transferred in 1955 to GN #1232 to BN #4833 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to NdeM. No further disposition information.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6886:

Six Cars, Plan #7629, 1950, 48 seats, Mid-Century Empire Builder*:

*#1221-#1225 were assigned to the Builder, whereas #1226 served as a protection car, assigned to both the Mid-Century Empire Builder and the 1951 Western Star.

GN coaches #1221-#1226 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1221.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #1221 to BN #4822 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #108. No further disposition information.

GN #1222 to BN #4823 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #132, later renumbered #5324. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to Ringling Brothers as RBBX #42102.

GN #1223 to BN #4824 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #116, later renumbered #5319. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to unknown party and stored in Phillipsburg, NJ.

GN #1224 transferred in 1953 to CB&Q #1224 transferred in 1955 to GN #1224 to BN #4825 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #113, later renumbered #5318. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #318. Sold in 2004 to the Minnesota Transportation Museum and currently stored, still in NJT paint.

GN coach #1224 information page on MTM website: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn1224

GN #1225 to BN #4826 (applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #107, later renumbered #5314. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to Bruce Moore-Big Pasco Industrial Park. To Northwestern Rail Equipment as NRE #1225 and stored in Walla Walla, WA, still in NJT paint.

GN #1226 to BN #4827 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #126, later renumbered #5321. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey. Sold at unknown date to Friends of 261 as NSRX #5321. Currently stored in the Twin Cities area.

AC&F, 1950, Lot #3122:

Seven Cars, 1950, 60 seats:

#1115-#1118 assigned to the International and #1137-#1139 assigned to the Red River.

GN #1115 to BN #6005 (not applied) to MofW #968078 in 1973 to #A13 in 1982. Sold at unknown date to Lake Superior Railroad Museum and named Liz Prebich.

GN #1116 to BN #6006 (not applied) to MofW #968079 in 1973 to #A14 in 1982. Sold at unknown date to Lake Superior Railroad Museum.

GN #1117 to BN #6007 (not applied). No disposition information whatsoever.

GN #1118 to BN #6008 (applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #133, later renumbered #5328. No further disposition information.

GN coaches #1115-#1118 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1115.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #1137 to BN #6009 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #131, later renumbered #5327. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #327 and named Lackawanna.

GN #1138 to BN #6010 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #114. No further disposition information.

GN #1139 to BN #6011 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 106 seat commuter coach #129, later renumbered #5326. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #326 and named Erie.

GN coaches #1137-#1139 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1137.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

AC&F, 1950-51, Lot #3444:

Six Cars, 1950-51, 60 seats, Mid-Century Empire Builder*:

*#1210-#1214 were assigned to the Builder, whereas #1209 served as a protection car, assigned to both the Mid-Century Empire Builder and the 1951 Western Star.

GN coaches #1209-#1210, #1212-#1214 diagram: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1209.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #1209 to BN #6012 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Reconfigured to 16 seat diner 36 seat lounge #A10 and named Como in 1977. To BNSF #28 Mountain View (#800158).

BN diner lounge #A10 diagram, revised 5/10/1986: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/como.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

BN diner lounge #A10 information page on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bna10.htm

GN #1210 to BN #6013 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Reconfigured to 33 seat roadway maintenance instruction car #B11 in 1975.* Sold (when?) to SP 4449 group* as DLMX #1210 and named Plum Creek (#800245). Painted back into Empire Builder Green & Orange. Not currently Amtrak compatible, used mostly on Holiday Express trips over the Oregon Pacific Railroad in Portland.

*Randall lists the conversion date as 1975, whereas the FOBNR website and car diagram both list the conversion date as 1976.

BN instruction car #B11 diagram: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bnb11.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

BN instruction car #B11 information page on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bnb11.htm

GN #1211 transferred to CB&Q #1211 in 1953 to BN #6014 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1212 to BN #6015 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Andy's Diner and used at the Tukwila, WA, location with Mid-Century Empire Builder lounge observations #1291 St. Nicholas Mountain and #1294 Trempealeau Mountain, and CB&Q Texas Zephyr snack bar coaches #342 Silver Top and #344 Silver Spur. After the Tukwila location closed, the #1212 was sold at auction. Current status and location unknown.

GN #1213 to BN #6016 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1981 to the Minnesota Transportation Museum.

GN coach #1213 information page on MTM website: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn1213

GN #1214 to BN #6017 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume Three: ACF - Other Builders" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1982)

3. Information and diagrams from the Friends of the Burlington Northern's passenger car roster pages at: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bnpassmain.htm

4. Information from Minnesota Transportation Museum's page on the Mid-Century Empire Builder: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?div=jsr&page=1951_builder

5. Information from Minnesota Transportation Museum's page on the 1947 Empire Builder: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?div=jsr&page=1947_builder

6. Information from Minnesota Transportation Museum's page on GN coach-diner #1146, which includes a table of the #11xx-series car assignments for the 1947 Empire Builder, 1950 International, and 1950 Red River: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn1146

7. Ben Ringnalda's list of surviving GN coaches at: http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEPreservedGNPassengerCars_Coaches.htm

8. Great Northern Railway Historical Society's Reference Sheet #227: http://www.gnrhs.org/ref_sheet_227.htm

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Part Three: Coaches

Section B: Coaches Acquired by GN

P-S, 1946, Lot #6722:

Ten Cars, Plan #7485, 1946, 56 seat coach 8 seat smoker:

Purchased from C&NW between 1961 and 1965. Eight of the ten cars had been refurbished and renumbered in 1958. CB&Q and NP also purchased Lot #6722 cars from C&NW.

C&NW coaches #3431-#3476 diagram: http://www.mtmuseum.org/jsr/roster/cnw3444_3453_diagram.jpg (MTM photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN coaches #1082, #1086-#1089, #1096-#1099 diagram: http://www.mtmuseum.org/jsr/roster/gn1096_1097_diagram.jpg (MTM photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #1076 (ex-C&NW #819, nee-#3433) to BN and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1078 (ex-C&NW #834, nee-#3435) to BN and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1080 (ex-C&NW #842, nee-#3449) to BN and sold to NdeM in 1971. To FCP #1972. No further disposition information.

GN #1082 (ex-C&NW #806, nee-#3436) to BN and transferred to FW&D in 1971 and stored. To FW&D MofW #X519 at unknown date. No further disposition information.

GN #1086 (ex-C&NW #810, nee-#3437) to BN #5622 (not applied) and transferred to FW&D in 1971 and stored. No further disposition information.

GN #1089 (ex-C&NW #821, nee-#3439) to BN #5625 (not applied) to MofW #968036. No further disposition information.

GN #1090 (ex-C&NW #3450) to BN #5626 (not applied) and stored in 1971. To wreck train service and assigned to Portland at unknown date. No further disposition information.

GN #1095 (ex-C&NW #3434) to BN #5631 (not applied) to MofW #968038. No further disposition information.

GN #1097 (ex-C&NW #808, nee-#3444) to BN #5633 (not applied) and stored in 1971. To BN #A18 in 1975. Sold to Minnesota Transportation Museum at unknown date.

GN coach #1097 information page on MTM website: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn1097

GN #1098 (ex-C&NW #825, nee-#3432) to BN #5634 (not applied) to MofW #968039. No further disposition information.

P-S, 1947, Lot #6768:

Five Cars, Plan #7537, 1947, 56 seats:

SLSF cars purchased in 1966, MKT cars purchased in 1967. SLSF cars originally built for and assigned to the Meteor, MKT cars originally built for and assigned to the Texas Special.

GN #1072 (ex-SLSF #1253 Clayton) to BN and stored in 1971. To wreck train service (when?). No further disposition information.

GN #1073 (ex-SLSF #1256 Richmond Heights) reconfigured in 1967 to 40 seat coach 16 seat buffet lounge #1073. To BN and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1074 (ex-SLSF #1257 University City) reconfigured in 1967 to 40 seat coach 16 seat buffet lounge #1974. To BN and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

SP&S #307 (ex-MKT #1200 Edward Burlson) to BN and stored in 1971. Scrapped at unknown date.

SP&S #308 (ex-MKT #1201 David G. Burnett) to BN and stored in 1971. Sold (when?) to private owner. No further disposition information.

P-S, 1947, Lot #6812:

Eleven Cars, Plan #7485, 1947, 56 seat coach 8 seat smoker:

Purchased from C&NW between 1961 and 1965. Seven of the eleven cars had been refurbished and renumbered in 1958. CB&Q and NP also purchased Lot #6812 cars from C&NW.

GN #1077 (ex-C&NW #827, nee-#3471) to BN and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1079 (ex-C&NW #832, nee-#3454) to BN and stored in 1971. To wreck train service (when?) and assigned to Seattle. No further disposition information.

GN #1081 (ex-C&NW #849, nee-#3468) to BN and stored in 1971. To wreck train service (when?) and assigned to Spokane. No further disposition information.

GN #1087 (ex-C&NW #830, nee-#3470) to BN #5623 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1088 (ex-C&NW #831, nee-#3451) to BN #5624 (not applied) to MofW #968035. No further disposition information.

GN #1091 (ex-C&NW #3469) to BN #5627 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Scrapped at unknown date.

GN #1092 (ex-C&NW #3462) to BN #5628 (not applied) and scrapped in 1970.

GN #1093 (ex-C&NW #3459) to BN #5629 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1094 (ex-C&NW #3475) smoking room converted to news stand in 1962 to BN #5630 (not applied) to MofW #968037. No further disposition information.

GN #1096 (ex-C&NW #801, nee-#3453) smoking room converted to news stand in 1969 to BN #5632 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold to Minnesota Transportation Museum at unknown date.

GN coach #1096 information page on MTM website: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn1096

GN #1099 (ex-C&NW #841, nee-#3476) to BN #5635 (applied) to MofW #968040. No further disposition information.

AC&F, 1954, Lot #4095:

Eight Cars, 1954, 44 seats, acquired from UP in 1969:

GN #1000 (ex-UP #5469) to BN #4400 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #115, later renumbered #5331. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #331 and named Reading.

GN #1001 (ex-UP #5470) to BN #4401 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #121, later renumbered #5332. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #332 and named Lehigh Valley.

GN #1002 (ex-UP #5471) to BN #4402 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #123, later renumbered #5333. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #333 and named Baltimore & Ohio.

GN #1003 (ex-UP #5476) to BN #4403 (not applied) and sold in 1974 to Amtrak as #4549. To Instruction Car #10505 at unknown date. No further disposition information.

GN #1004 (ex-UP #5477) to BN #4404 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #125, later renumbered #5334. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #334 and named Jersey Central.

GN #1005 (ex-UP #5478) to BN #4405 (applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #112, later renumbered #5330. Sold in 1987 to Ringling Brothers. Wrecked on 1/13/1994 at Lakeland, FL.

GN #1006 (ex-UP #5485) to BN #4406 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1007 (ex-UP #5487) to BN #4407 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold in 1973 to NJT and converted to 108 seat commuter coach #100, later renumbered #5329. Retired in 1987. Sold in 1991 to United RR Historical Society of New Jersey as URHX #329 and named Pennsylvania.

P-S, 1955, Lot #6965:

One Car, Plan #7647, 1955, 64 seats, purchased from SLSF in 1966:

Originally built for and assigned to the Texas Special.

GN #1075 (ex-SLSF #1259 Picardy Lane) to BN and stored in 1971. To wreck train service (when?). No further disposition information.

StLCC, 1960, Lot #1807:

Three Cars, 1960, 44 seats, purchased from UP in 1969:

GN #1008 (ex-UP #5488) to BN #4408 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak as #4550. Converted to Head End Power (HEP) in 3/1981 as #4647. Sold in 2/1995 to Ringling Brothers as RBBX #43009.*

*Warner lists this car as being sold to American Orient Express.

GN #1009 (ex-UP #5491) to BN #4409 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak as #4551. Converted to Head End Power (HEP) in 1/1981 as #4646. Sold in 12/1994 to American Orient Express. No further disposition information.

GN #1010 (ex-UP #5492) to BN #4410 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak as #4552. Sold in 2/1985 to unknown party. No further disposition information.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume Three: ACF - Other Builders" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1982)

3. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

4. Information and diagrams from the Friends of the Burlington Northern's passenger car roster pages at: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bnpassmain.htm

5. Information on Union Pacific's AC&F Lot #4095 and StLCC Lot #1807 coaches from Don Strack's Utah Rails website: http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-numbered-6.php

6. Information from streamliner cars thread on the Frisco Railway Historical & Modeling Society's online forum: http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1242-Streamlined-Cars/page2

7. Ben Ringnalda's list of surviving GN coaches at: http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEPreservedGNPassengerCars_Coaches.htm

8. Great Northern Railway Historical Society's Reference Sheet #227: http://www.gnrhs.org/ref_sheet_227.htm

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Part Three: Coaches

Section C: 1937 Empire Builder P-S Coaches & 1955 Empire Builder Budd Dome Coaches:

P-S, 1937, Lot #6531:

Twelve Cars, Plan #7401, 1937, 58 seat coach, Empire Builder:

GN #938 to BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #939 to BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #940 to BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #941 to BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #942 to BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #943 to BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #944 reconfigured in 1947 to 50 seats reconfigured in 1952 to 44 seat coach-galley and assigned to the Gopher-Badger.* To BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #945 reconfigured in 1947 to 50 seats reconfigured in 1952 to 44 seat coach-galley and assigned to the Gopher-Badger.* To BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

*According to Randall, the #944 and #945 were reconfigured to 44 seats in 1963, the 1952 reconfiguration is not listed. Was the galley removed in 1963?

GN #946 reconfigured in 1947 to 50 seats reconfigured in 1952 to 58 seats and assigned to the Gopher-Badger.* To BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #947 reconfigured in 1947 to 50 seats reconfigured in 1952 to 58 seats and assigned to the Gopher-Badger.* To BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #948 reconfigured in 1947 to 50 seats reconfigured in 1952 to 58 seats and assigned to the Gopher-Badger.* To BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #949 reconfigured in 1947 to 50 seats reconfigured in 1952 to 58 seats and assigned to the Gopher-Badger.* To BN to MofW. No further disposition information.

*Randall does not list the 1952 reconfigurations of #946-#949.

Budd, 1955, Lot #9646-155:

Sixteen Cars, 1955, 46 seat coach 24 seat dome coach, Empire Builder:

GN #1320 to BN #4600 (not applied, but painted Cascade Green in 1969) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9460. Shopped at ICG Woodcrest Shops 10/1973, including repainting to Amtrak Phase I, outshopped 1/1974. Retired and stored in 1985. Sold in 5/1993 to Bob Moen as CBRX #1320. Stored in Randolph, MN, between 1998 and 2003. Moved in 2003 from Randolph, MN, to Charles City, IA.

GN #1321 to BN #4601 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9461. Wrecked in 5/1979 at Kennewick, WA (on either the Empire Builder or the North Coast Hiawatha). Stored at Pasco, WA. Scrapped in 2/1981 at Pasco.

GN #1322 to BN #4602 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9462. Outshopped in 11/1974 in Amtrak Phase I. Wrecked in 10/1975 on the City of New Orleans at Frankewing, TN. Stored at Beech Grove. Retired and sold in 11/1975 to the Building Leasing Corporation. BLC did not pay for the car, and it was scrapped at Beech Grove by E Bishop in 4/1981.

GN #1323 to BN #4603 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9463. Retired and stored in 1985. Sold in 5/1993 to Dirk Lenthe. Acquired in 12/1998 by Doug Ebert, Charles Barenfanger, and Dick Johnson. Rebuilt in 2001 to dome lounge sleeper Puget Sound, with Amtrak registration #800732. Was recently in Seattle for the 2013 AAPRCO Convention Train to Napa, CA.

GN #1324 to BN #4604 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9464. Wrecked in 12/1976 on the San Francisco Zephyr at Ralston, NE. Stored in Lincoln. Moved to AT&SF Topeka Shops. Retired and sold in 10/1977 to Building Leasing Corporation. Acquired in 1978 by the Rail Dome Corporation while stored in Kansas City. Acquired in 1987 by Bob Moen and stored in Minneapolis, where it was acquired by Dave Varilek. Moved in 1996 to Kasten Railcar, then to Fremont, NE, in 1998.

GN #1325 to BN #4605 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9465. Converted in 12/1983 to Head End Power (HEP) #9409. Sold in 3/1995 to Montana Rockies Daylight as BKSX #9409. MRD was acquired in 1998 by Oregon Rail Corporation, and AOE retained #9409 when MRD was sold to Rail Quest America in 2001. #9409 was moved with the rest of the AOE fleet to the new facility outside Olympia, WA, and outshopped in 2004 with Amtrak registration #800723. Sold in 2005 to CN and assigned to IC.

GN #1326 to BN #4606 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9466. Retired in 1983, then leased in 4/1984 to Alaska RR as #7066, then stored in 12/1985. Leased in 1987 to Texas Southern, then stored in 1988 at Beech Grove. Sold in 5/1993 to Rail Voyages. Moved in 7/1997 to Pete Messina's shops, outshopped in 2000 with Amtrak registration #800719. Leased then sold to Grand Canyon as GCRY #2097 (2nd) Kokopelli.

GN #1327 to BN #4607 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9467. Retired and stored in 11/1981 at Beech Grove. Sold in 5/1993 to Doug McGill. Current status and location??

GN #1328 to BN #4608 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9468. Also wrecked in 10/1975 on the City of New Orleans at Frankewing, TN. Moved to Beech Grove, then retired and sold in 10/1977 to the Little River Railroad, which did not pay for the car. Scrapped by Tuman Demolition at Beech Grove in 4/1979.

GN #1329 to BN #4609 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9469. Retired and stored at unknown date. Sold in 5/1993 to the Cape Cod Railroad, then acquired in 1998 by the Conway Scenic, with the name Dorthea Mae.

GN #1330 to BN #4610 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9470. Retired and stored in 1981. Sold in 5/1993 to Gold Coast RR Museum, then sold in 1995 to Stuart Spencar and Stan Ames. Stored in City of Commerce, CA. Current status and location??

GN #1331 to BN #4611 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9471. Outshopped in 6/1976 in Amtrak Phase I. Converted in 1/1984 to Head End Power (HEP) #9410. Sold in 4/1995 to Montana Rockies Daylight as BKSX #9410. MRD was acquired in 1998 by Oregon Rail Corporation, and #9410 (unlike the #9409) was part of the sale of MRD to Rail Quest America in 2001. Acquired in 2004 by Philip Sheridan-Mid America as MRLX #9410. Leased from 2005 to 2007 to Alaska RR, then from 2009 to 2012 to CVSR as the Emerson (1st). Has the #9410 been assigned an Amtrak #800xxx-series number?? Current status??

SP&S #1332 to BN #4612 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9472. Outshopped in 5/1973 in Amtrak Phase I. Retired at unknown date, then leased in 4/1984 to Alaska RR as #7072, then stored in 12/1985. Leased to Texas Southern, then stored. Sold in 11/1987 to VIA Rail, which planned to convert the car for use on the Canadian, but after being stripped it was stored in Montreal due to budget cuts. Acquired by Gateway. Current status??

CB&Q #1333 to BN #4613 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9473. Retired at unknown date, then leased in 4/1984 to Alaska RR as #7073, then stored in 12/1985. Leased in 1987 to Texas Southern, then stored in 1990. Sold in 5/1993 to Calvin Gerhard's Pennvia Incorporated, which leased the car to Northern Central from 1996 to 2001. Outshopped in 2004 as the Glass Slipper, with Amtrak registration #800737.

CB&Q #1334 to BN #4614 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9474. Retired at unknown date, then leased in 4/1984 to Alaska RR as #7074, then stored in 12/1985. Leased to Texas Southern, then stored. Also sold in 1987 to VIA Rail, which (like the #9472) planned to convert the car for use on the Canadian, but after being stripped it was stored in Montreal due to budget cuts. Also acquired by Gateway. Current status??

CB&Q #1335 to BN #4615 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #9475. Converted in 2/1984 to Head End Power (HEP) #9411. Wrecked in 8-1994 on #49 Lake Shore Limited at Batavia, NY. Sold in 10/1994 to ITAX. Current status??

Sources:

1. Information from Phil Dohmen's dome car database at: http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/WebLurkersDOMEmain/

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

4. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

5. Information from Minnesota Transportation Museum's page on the 1952 Gopher-Badger: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?div=jsr&page=1952_gopher_badger

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I'll see if I can do the homework and report back, however, we bought the trucks from one of the 111X series cars from Gateway about two years ago. They had a storage car leftover from the Les Kasten days that they scrapped and saved the trucks. I want to say we traced it back and it was the 1111, but that doesn't jive with the list. They also had a pair from a C&NW car that went to BN MOW IIRC.

I'll see if I can find my notes this weekend.

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Thanks, ETA, for the info!

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Black River & Western has 2 GN lightweight passenger cars (numbers are unknown to me) that were sold to the CNJ in the 70's and later became New Jersey Transit property before being purchased by BR&W in the 1990's. I'm not quite sure what the BR&W's intent for them was but I do know it wasn't for passenger use, but whatever it was, the plans fell through and they are currently sitting in the South Ringoes Yard. I believe they are both 48-Seat cars.


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Part Four: Head-End Cars

GN, 1945:

Four Cars, 1945, Baggage:

New lightweight shells built at St. Cloud, utilizing six-wheel trucks from retired heavyweight baggage cars.

Assigned to the Portland section of the 1947 Empire Builder, transferred to general pool in 1951.

GN baggage #262-#263, #265 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn262.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #262 to BN #781 (not applied) to MofW #976081. Sold at unknown date to Lewis & Clark Railway Company as LINC #262 and used on the Pacific Wilderness Railroad in Prineville, OR. Sold at unknown date to Bob Melbo's Melbo Land & Investment Company as MLIX #262 and painted in SP Daylight colors for use with SP #4449. Used on the Holiday Express trains over the Oregon Pacific RR and other excursions. Also used by the Oregon Coast Scenic RR, which is located in Tillamook, OR, on the Port of Tillamook Bay RR. The #262 was in Tillamook in Fall 2007 when a winter storm washed out sections of the POTB, leaving the #262 isolated in Tillamook. Since 2007 has been in regular service with, and is now owned by, the OSCR.

GN #263 to BN #782 (not applied). No further disposition information.

GN #264 to BN #783 (not applied) to MofW #976046. No further disposition information.

GN #265 to BN #784 (not applied) and stored. To MofW tool car #976146 and assigned to the Northtown wreck train in 1977, later stored. Sold in 1987 to the Minnesota Transportation Museum. Painted back into GN Green & Orange in 2004 and used as a concessions-power car.

GN baggage #265 information page on the MTM website: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn265

P-S, 1946, Lot #6793:

Three Cars, Plan #7479A, 1946, Baggage, purchased from CGW in 1965:

Converted to postal storage at unknown date.

GN baggage #277-#279 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn277.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #277 (ex-CGW #80) to BN #695 (not applied) to MofW #976143. Sold in 1987 to scrap dealer in Kansas City (which one?). Acquired in 1988 by the Roanoke Chapter NRHS. Sold in 2001 to unknown party. At last report was still in Roanoke. Current status and location??

GN #278 (ex-CGW #81) to BN #696 (not applied) to MofW #976056. No further disposition information.

GN #279 (ex-CGW #82) to BN #697 (not applied) to MofW #976145. No further disposition information.

P-S, 1947, Lot #6718:

Five Cars, Plan #7494, 1947, Baggage-RPO (30'):

Originally built for and assigned to the 1947 Empire Builder. Reassigned to the Western Star in 1951.

GN baggage-RPO #1100, #1103-#1104 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1100.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #1100 to BN and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1101 rebuilt in 1967 to baggage #280 to BN #698 (not applied) to MofW #976057. No further disposition information.

GN #1102 rebuilt in 1966 to baggage-RPO (60') #45 to BN #606 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1103 to BN and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

CB&Q #1104 transferred in 1953 to GN #1104 to BN #701 (not applied) and stored in 1971. To MofW. To BNSF and stored in East Grand Forks, MN.

P-S, 1947, Lot #6767:

One Car, Plan #7536, 1947, Baggage-RPO (60'), purchased from MKT in 1965:

Originally built for and assigned to the Texas Special.

SP&S #32 (ex-MKT #1000 Anson B. Jones) to BN #622 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Scrapped in 1981.

GN, 1947:

Four Cars, 1947, Baggage:

New lightweight shells built at St. Cloud, utilizing six-wheel trucks from retired heavyweight baggage cars. #266 and #267 built as baggage-messenger, #268 and #269 built with end doors.

GN #266 to BN #785 (not applied) to MofW #976148. No further disposition information.

GN #267 to BN #786 (not applied) to MofW #976065. No further disposition information.

GN #268 to BN #787 (not applied) to MofW #976102. No further disposition information.

GN #269 to BN #788 (not applied) to MofW #976063. Sold at unknown date to the Port of Tillamook Bay RR and converted to a power car-kitchen for use on the Spirit of Oregon and named Hillsboro. Sold at unknown date to the Mount Hood RR as #RS03 and used on dinner train service.

GN, 1948:

One Car, 1948, Baggage-RPO (30'):

GN #1108 to BN #620 (not applied) and sold in 1971 to restaurant in Seattle. Acquired at unknown date by Bruce Moore-Big Pasco Industrial Park. To Northwestern Rail Equipment as NRE #1108 and stored in Walla Walla, WA.

Three Cars, 1948, Baggage-Messenger:

New lightweight shells built at St. Cloud, utilizing four-wheel trucks from retired heavyweight baggage cars. Converted to postal storage in 1966.

GN postal storage #270-#272 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn270.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #270 to BN #688 (not applied) to MofW #976079. Sold at unknown date to the Inland Empire Chapter NRHS.

GN #271 to BN #689 (not applied) to MofW #976082. No further disposition information.

GN #272 to BN #690 (not applied) to MofW #976083. No further disposition information.

AC&F, 1949, Lot #3035:

Two Cars, 1949, Baggage-RPO (60'), purchased from C&NW in 1964:

Originally built for and assigned to the Overland Route pool and painted in UP Armour Yellow, Signal Red, and Harbor Mist Gray.

GN #43 (ex-C&NW #8225) to BN #604 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #44 (ex-C&NW #8226) to BN #605 (not applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN, 1950:

Four Cars, 1950, Baggage-Messenger:

New lightweight shells built at St. Cloud, utilizing four-wheel trucks from retired heavyweight baggage cars.

GN baggage-messenger #273-#276 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn273.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #273 to BN to MofW #976149. No further disposition information.

GN #274 to BN and stored. To MofW #976150. No further disposition information.

GN #275 to BN to MofW #976103. No further disposition information.

GN #276 to BN to MofW #976104. No further disposition information.

P-S, 1950, Lot #6869:

One Car, Plan #7598, 1950, Baggage-Dormitory:

Originally built for and assigned to the Portland section of the Mid-Century Empire Builder.

SP&S #75 to BN and stored in 1971. To MofW #976086. No further disposition information.

AC&F, 1950, Lot #3123:

Three Cars, 1950, Baggage-RPO (30'):

Converted to baggage in 1969. #1105-#1106 assigned to the International, and #1107 assigned to the Red River.

GN baggage-RPO #1105-#1106 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1105.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN baggage-RPO #1107 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn1107.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #1105 to BN #702 (applied) and stored in 1971. Sold at unknown date to the Washington State Railroads Historical Society.

GN #1106 to BN #703 (applied) and stored in 1971. No further disposition information.

GN #1107 to BN #704 (applied) to MofW #976105. No further disposition information.

AC&F, 1950-51, Lot #3442:

Six Cars, 1950-51, Baggage-RPO (60'), Mid-Century Empire Builder:

GN baggage-RPO #38-#40, #42 diagram on FOBNR website: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/gn38.jpg (FOBNR photo) (click once to enlarge)

GN #37 scrapped in 1968.

GN #38 to BN #600 (applied) to MofW #968186. No further disposition information.

GN #39 to BN #601 (applied) to MofW #968187. No further disposition information.

GN #40 to BN #602 (not applied) to MofW #968188. No further disposition information.

GN #41 transferred in 1953 to CB&Q #41 to BN #607 (not applied) to MofW #976110. Sold at unknown date to Minnesota Commercial RY as MNNR #2 and named St. Croix River.

GN #42 to BN #603 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Sold at unknown date to California State RR Museum.

AC&F, 1950-51, Lot #3443:

Six Cars, 1950-51, Baggage-Dormitory, Mid-Century Empire Builder:

GN #1200 to BN and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #1550. Wrecked in 1971 and scrapped in 1973.

GN #1201 to BN and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #1551. To MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #1202 transferred in 1953 to CB&Q #1202 to BN #710 (applied) and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #1552. To MofW #17092. No further disposition information.

GN #1203 to BN and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #1553. To MofW. No further disposition information.

GN #1204 to BN and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #1554. Retired in 10/1980. No further disposition information.

GN #1205 to BN and sold in 1971 to Amtrak #1555. Retired in 7/1981. No further disposition information.

StLCC, 1960, Lot #1809:

One Car, 1960, Baggage-RPO (30'):

SP&S #31 to BN #621 (not applied) and stored in 1971. Scrapped in 1978.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume Three: ACF - Other Builders" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1982)

3. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

4. Information and diagrams from the Friends of the Burlington Northern's passenger car roster pages at: http://fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bnpassmain.htm

5. Information from Minnesota Transportation Museum's page on the Mid-Century Empire Builder: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?div=jsr&page=1951_builder

6. Information from Minnesota Transportation Museum's page on the 1947 Empire Builder: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?div=jsr&page=1947_builder

7. Information from Minnesota Transportation Museum's page on GN coach-diner #1146, which includes a table of the #11xx-series car assignments for the 1947 Empire Builder, 1950 International, and 1950 Red River: http://www.mtmuseum.org/roster.php?page=gn1146

8. Ben Ringnalda's list of surviving GN cars at: http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEPreservedGNPassengerCars.htm

9. Great Northern Railway Historical Society's Reference Sheet #227: http://www.gnrhs.org/ref_sheet_227.htm

10. Information from streamliner cars thread on the Frisco Railway Historical & Modeling Society's online forum: http://www.frisco.org/vb/showthread.php?1242-Streamlined-Cars/page2

11. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:05 am 
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weekendrailroader wrote:
Also, one BN passenger car, which I believe is former Great Northern, which also came from that Andy's Diner is used off and on as vendor space at Country Village in Bothell, WA.


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As for the car in Bothell, I didn't know about that one and I'm curious to find out more. I had wondered about the other ex-Andy's cars, as I knew my info was incomplete.


Okay, finally got around to doing some digging for the ID of that mystery BN car in Bothell that had previously been part of the Tukwila location of Andy's Diner.

The car in question was built by Budd in 1937 in Lot #981 as FW&D 52 seat coach (chair) #403 "Silver Top". One of four such cars (#400-#403) assigned to Denver-Dallas service. All four were transferred to the new Texas Zephyr in 1940, with the #403 reconfigured to a coach-dinette at that time. Coaches #400-#402 were renumbered to CB&Q #4658-#4660 in 1969. Concurrently, coach-dinette #403 was again reconfigured to a snack bar coach and renumbered to CB&Q #342.

Country Village is also home to GN caboose #X549 and SP&S caboose #793.

Photos:

1. FW&D #403 "Silver Top" in Fort Worth, 9/9/1967: http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr0902/fwd403.jpg (Don Ross photo)

2. FW&D #403 "Silver Top" in Red Oaks, IA, 8/24/1968: http://rr-fallenflags.org/cbq/fwd-siltop-jpa.jpg (B.G. Corbin photo)

3. CB&Q #342 "Silver Top" at Country Village in Bothell: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/9277224999_1060f0db81_o.jpg (findwell photo) (click once to enlarge)

4. CB&Q #342 "Silver Top" at Country Village in Bothell: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Bothell%2C_WA_-_Vice_Consulate_of_Italy_in_rail_car.jpg (Joe Mabel photo)

Sources:

1. CB&Q surviving lightweight passenger cars information: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/remain_passenger.html

2. CB&Q lightweight passenger car roster information: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/stainlessnumber.html

3. Historical pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

4. Caboose information here: http://wasteam.railfan.net/?level=album&id=5&onpage=11

I'll be back soon with the rest of the GN lightweight roster listings.


A good bit of research there, but that's not the car I was referring to in my previous postings. I was referring to the smoothside passenger car (labeled as a GN coach and painted in BN colors) which is located on the south side of Country Village, somewhat hidden behind a couple other buildings, next to the courtyard and the fountain: https://www.google.com/maps/search/country+village+bothell/@47.781739,-122.2225877,69m/data=!3m1!1e3

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weekendrailroader wrote:
Also, one BN passenger car, which I believe is former Great Northern, which also came from that Andy's Diner is used off and on as vendor space at Country Village in Bothell, WA.
Rainier Rails wrote:
As for the car in Bothell, I didn't know about that one and I'm curious to find out more. I had wondered about the other ex-Andy's cars, as I knew my info was incomplete.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Okay, finally got around to doing some digging for the ID of that mystery BN car in Bothell that had previously been part of the Tukwila location of Andy's Diner. The car in question was built by Budd in 1937 in Lot #981 as FW&D 52 seat coach (chair) #403 "Silver Top". One of four such cars (#400-#403) assigned to Denver-Dallas service. All four were transferred to the new Texas Zephyr in 1940, with the #403 reconfigured to a coach-dinette at that time. Coaches #400-#402 were renumbered to CB&Q #4658-#4660 in 1969. Concurrently, coach-dinette #403 was again reconfigured to a snack bar coach and renumbered to CB&Q #342.
weekendrailroader wrote:
That's not the car I was referring to in my previous postings. I was referring to the smoothside passenger car (labeled as a GN coach and painted in BN colors) which is located on the south side of Country Village, somewhat hidden behind a couple other buildings.


Ah-ha!

This would be GN 60 seat coach #1212, which is listed by Randall as being sold to Andy's Diner. The retirement date listed is 1971, but the year of sale to Andy's is not. As evidenced by the linked photo below, the #1212 was initially leased to Amtrak, but was not acquired. After the lease was terminated (at an unknown date), BN sold the #1212 to Andy's.

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1892708 (Ryan Kertis Collection)

Does anyone have a full or partial listing of cars Amtrak leased from BN, but did not acquire?

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume Three: ACF - Other Builders" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1982)

2. Picture located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

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