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 Post subject: Surviving SOU Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:03 am 
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nickco201 wrote:
Just curious, How many cars from Southern's Crescent limited have survived?
filmteknik wrote:
Great question but how about a new thread for that?


Okay, so per an inquiry in the "All Daylight Consist" thread, and a request for a new thread, here's a list of known surviving lightweight passenger cars from Southern's fleet. The list also includes cars from CNO&TP, L&N, FEC, A&WP, WofA, PRR, and NYC that were built for pool service on SOU routes. Also included are scrapped cars, cars with an unknown current status, and cars with no disposition information whatsoever (other than retirement dates). This first posting consists only of diners and sleepers from 2 different Lots.

Diners:

Eleven 44 seat diners built in 1949 by Budd in Lot #9624-030* for the Crescent. Ownership was eight SOU #3305-#3312, one CNO&TP #3869, one A&WP #501, and one L&N #2790.

*Cars built in Budd Order 030 were for service on SOU routes.

In the active Amtrak Heritage Fleet are 3 SOU diners:

SOU #3306 to Amtrak in 1979 as diner lounge #8380 to HEP 48 seat standard diner #8521 in approximately 1985

SOU #3307 to Amtrak in 1979 as diner lounge #8381 to HEP 48 seat griddle diner #8558 in 7/1985 (originally planned for conversion to standard diner #8522)

SOU #3309 to Amtrak in 1979 as diner lounge #8383 to HEP 48 seat standard diner #8524 in 11/1984

Retired from Amtrak:

A&WP #501 to Amtrak in 1971 as diner #8026 to HEP 48 seat standard diner #8750** in 3/1985 for service on the Auto Train (originally planned for conversion to standard diner #8529). Stored at Beech Grove shops in 6/1996. Sold in 1/2002 to Rail Quest America as 36 seat lounge RQAX #8750 "Yellowstone Park" for lease to American Orient Express and Montana Rockies Rail Tours. Leased to Alaska RR as ARR #323 2005-2009.

**All Heritage Fleet food service cars which underwent HEP conversion for service on the Auto Train received numbers in the #87xx range.

In addition, SOU #3305 was retired by SOU in 1975 after a fire. It is now in the collection of the Galveston Railroad Museum: http://www.galvestonrrmuseum.com/rolling-stock.html

Scrapped Cars:

CNO&TP #3869 to Amtrak in 1979 as diner lounge #8384 to HEP 48 seat standard diner #8751** in 2/1985 for service on the Auto Train (originally planned for conversion to standard diner #8525). Stored at Beech Grove shops in 6/1996. Put up for sale in 7/1999. Sold in 2000 to Alaska RR as ARR #321. Retired and stored. Sold to Alaska Metals Recycling in 2005 and scrapped.

L&N #2790 to Amtrak in 1971 as diner #8025 to HEP 48 seat standard diner #8752** in 4/1985 for service on the Auto Train (originally planned for conversion to standard diner #8530). Stored at Beech Grove shops in 6/1996. Put up for sale in 7/1999. Sold in 2000 to Alaska RR as ARR #322. Retired and stored. Sold to Alaska Metals Recycling in 2005 and scrapped.

Unknown Status:

SOU #3308 to Amtrak in 1979 as diner lounge #8382 to HEP 48 seat griddle diner #8557 in 8/1985 (originally planned for conversion to standard diner #8523). Damaged from fire while on SB #91 Silver Star in 3/1993. Stored at Beech Grove shops, 3/1993. Put up for sale in 6/2005.

Sleepers:

72 sleepers in 4 different configurations were built in 1949-1950 by P-S in Lot #6814. Ownership was divided between SOU, subsidiary CNO&TP, associated lines A&WP and WofA, FEC, L&N, PRR, and NYC.

24 of the 49 10RM-6DB "River"-series sleepers built to Plan #4140 are now in museum collections or private ownership:

SOU #2003 "Catawba River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2864. Retired and sold in 2/1982 to private owner as #2003 "Catawba River". Amtrak registration #800063. Initially located at the Whippany Railway Museum in Whippany, NJ. Currently at North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer, NC.

SOU #2004 "Enoree River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2851. Retired before 3/1984. Sold to private owner as #2851 "Enoree River". Amtrak registration #800089. Currently at Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga, TN.

SOU #2005 "Flint River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2852. Sold 2/1982. Stored at Whippany Railway Museum, Whippany, NJ. To Georgia Railroad Excursion Authority and used on Heart of Georgia Railroad as SWGX #2005 "Flint River". Amtrak registration #800101. To Denver Railcar as DRCX #6114. Currently stored in Americus, GA.

SOU #2006 "Ocmulgee River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2853. Small electrical fire in Roomette #?. Retired and sold (donated?) 11/1982 to North Alabama Chapter NRHS-North Alabama Railroad Museum as NARM #2006 "Ocmulgee River" in Huntsville, AL.

SOU #2008 "Pacolet River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2854. Retired before 3/1984. Sold to a private owner for use at Tennessee Central Railway Museum as TCRX #2854 "Pacolet River" in Nashville, TN.

SOU #2010 "Rapidan River" (assigned to the Crescent). To private owner as "Rapidan River". Amtrak registration #800263. Current whereabouts unknown.

SOU #2013 "Seneca River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2856. Retired before 4/1983. Sold to Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum as TVRM #2013 "Seneca River" in Chattanooga, TN.

SOU #2015 "Rappahannock River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2858. Retired before 4/1983. To private owner as "Rappahannock River". Amtrak registration #800268. Current whereabouts unknown.

SOU #2016 "St. Johns River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2866. Retired before 4/1983. Sold to Little Wedding Chapel at Union Station in Dora, AL, as "E.J. Earley". Sheathing partially removed.

SOU #2017 "Tiger River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2859. Retired before 1/1984. Sold to Mid-America Locomotive & Car Repair as MALX #2017 "Tiger River" in Evansville, IN.

SOU #2019 "Tugalo River" (assigned to the Crescent) to NS via merger in 1982 as #17 "Tugalo River". Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. N&W Tuscan Red letterboards. To Atlanta Chapter NRHS-Southeastern Railway Museum as SMRX #17 "Tugalo River" in Duluth, GA.

SOU #2020 "Tye River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2860. Sold 12/1981 to Indiana Railway Museum as IRM #2860 "Tye River" in French Lick, IN.

SOU #2021 "Yadkin River" (assigned to the Crescent). Sold to CN. To Roanoke Chapter NRHS as RNRH #2021 "Yadkin River". Amtrak registration #800343. Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. N&W Tuscan Red letterboards. To Mid-America Locomotive & Car Repair as MALX #2021 "Yadkin River" in Evansville, IN.

SOU #2022 "York River" (assigned to the Crescent). Renumbered/renamed to #2302 "Royal Arch" (2nd)***. Remodeled to 11DB. To NS via merger in 1982 as #14 "Royal Arch". Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. N&W Tuscan Red letterboards. To North Carolina Transportation Museum as NCMX #14 "Royal Arch" in Spencer, NC.

***"Royal Arch" (1st) was SOU #2300, a 5DB-22 seat buffet lounge sleeper observation built in 1950 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4162 which was assigned to the Crescent and renamed to "Luther Calvin Norris" in 1950. "Royal Arch" (1st), "Royal Court" & "Royal Palm" were rebuilt to 11DB sleepers for mid-train use in 1958.

CNO&TP #3401 "French Broad River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2862. Retired and sold 11/1982 to Railway Exposition Company in Latonia, KY, which later became the Railway Museum of Greater Cincinnati in Latonia, KY.

CNO&TP #3402 "Coosa River" (assigned to the Royal Palm). To Iaeger & Southern as ISRX #3402 "Coosa River". Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. To Mid-America Locomotive & Car Repair as MALX #3402 "Coosa River" in Evansville, IN.

CNO&TP #3403 "Holston River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2863. Retired before 4/1983. Sold to Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum as TVRM #3403 "Holston River" in Chattanooga, TN.

A&WP #7241 "Chattahoochee River" (assigned to the Crescent). Used as a diner in Vinings, GA.

WofA "Alabama River" (assigned to the Crescent). Modified by CSX to Technical Research Car #994501. Based at Cumberland Yard, Cumberland, MD.

FEC "Argentina" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Sold to CN in 1967 as #2131 "Grand Codroy River". To VIA Rail #2131. To private ownership as "Glacier Park". Amtrak registration #800515. To Rail Cruise of America as 4RM-7DB buffet sleeper "Colorado River". To KCS as #2007 "Veracruz".

FEC "Brazil" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Sold to CN in 1967 as #2133 "Ecum Secum River". To VIA Rail #2133. To private ownership as "Ecum Secum River". Amtrak registration #800008. Current whereabouts unknown.

PRR #8351 "Birch River" (assigned to the Crescent). To Railroader's Memorial Museum in Altoona, PA. Sheathing partially removed.

L&N #3401 "Pearl River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1971 as #2811. Retired 3/1976. Sold to Kentucky Railway Museum as "Pearl River" in New Haven, KY.

L&N #3411 "Kentucky River" (I don't have the assignment info, but it was apparently in PRR or L&N paint during most of its pre-Amtrak service career) to Amtrak in 1971 as #2813. Retired 3/1976. Sold to Bluegrass Railroad Museum as BGRM #2813 "Kentucky River" in Versailles, KY. Still in faded Amtrak Phase I paint.

Two of the eleven 14RM-4DB sleepers built to Plan #4153C are now in private ownership:

SOU #2204 "Paint Rock Valley" (assigned to the Tennessean). To private owner in LaGrange, GA.

SOU #2209 "Tennessee Valley" (assigned to the Tennessean). To Iaeger & Southern and rebuilt to a buffet lounge sleeper with 2RM as ISRX #2209 "New River Valley". Amtrak registration #800177. Used on SOU-NS steam excursions. N&W Tuscan Red letterboards. To Mid-America Locomotive & Car Repair as MALX #2209 in Evansville, IN.

Three of the four 1MR-2DR-21 buffet lounge sleepers built to Plan #4160 are now in chapter collections or on display:

SOU #2350 "Crescent City" (assigned to the Crescent). To City of Dalton, GA for display.

SOU #2351 "Crescent Harbor" (assigned to the Crescent). To Watauga Valley Chapter NRHS as WATX #2351 "Crescent Harbor" in Johnson City, TN. Amtrak registration #800349.

SOU #2352 "Crescent Moon" (assigned to the Crescent). To Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum as TVRM #2352 in Chattanooga, TN.

Five of the eight 5DB-22 seat buffet lounge sleeper observations built to Plan #4162 are now in museum collections or private ownership:

SOU #2301 "Royal Court" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Rebuilt to 11DB sleeper for mid-train use in 1958 and reassigned to the Crescent. To private owner as "Royal Court". Amtrak registration #800348. Currently at Whippany Railway Museum in Whippany, NJ.

CNO&TP #3499 "Royal Palm" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Rebuilt to 11DB sleeper for mid-train use in 1958 and reassigned to the Crescent. To private owner as "Royal Palm". Amtrak registration #800347. Current whereabouts unknown.

WofA "Royal Palace" (assigned to the Crescent). Renamed the "Charles A. Wickersham" in 1952. To Morristown & Erie Railroad as "Royal Palace" with "The West Point Route" in the letterboard in Morristown, NJ.

FEC "Azalea" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Retained for executive service in 1965 when most lightweight passenger cars were sold (SAL and CN acquired the majority).

L&N #3301 "Royal Street" (assigned to the Crescent). Retired and sold in 1970 to private owner as #3301 "Royal Street". Resold to Dr. Jim Giganti of St. Louis in 1992 as "Royal Street". Amtrak registration #800726.

Scrapped Cars:

10RM-6DB sleeper:

SOU #2023 "Warrior River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2861. Retired before 4/1983. Sold to Promontory Chapter NRHS and remodeled to 4RM-6DB lounge sleeper as #2023 "Warrior River" in Salt Lake City, UT. Amtrak registration #800327. Leased to Morton Thiokol as an escort car for movement of rocket components between their facility in Utah and NASA's Kennedy (Cape Canaveral) Space Center in Florida. While on escort duty, wrecked on the Meridian & Bigbee Railroad at Myrtlewood, AL, on 5/2/2007. Subsequently scrapped.

5DB-22 seat buffet lounge sleeper observation:

NYC "Royal Crest" (assigned to the Royal Palm) was wrecked on the UP on 11/12/1951. Subsequently scrapped.

Unknown Status:

10RM-6DB sleepers:

SOU #2002 "Dan River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2850. Retired and sold 2/1982 to unknown party.

SOU #2009 "Potomac River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1971**** as #2816. Retired 7/1981. Sold to NdeM as #745 (name unknown).

CNO&TP #3400 "Emory River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2867. Retired and 11/1982 to unknown party.

FEC "Chile" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Sold to CN in 1967 as #213x "Nashwaak River". To VIA Rail #213x.

FEC "Guatemala" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Sold to CN in 1967 as #2130 "Terra Nova River". To VIA Rail #2130.

PRR #8354 "Middle River" (assigned to the Crescent) to PC #4374. To Amtrak in 1971 as #2797. Retired and sold 1/1984 to unknown party.

L&N #3400 "Mobile River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1971 as #2810. Retired at unknown date! and stored at Beech Grove. Retired 6/2005!

L&N #3410 "Green River" (assigned to the Crescent) to Amtrak in 1971 as #2812. Retired 1979. Sold to NdeM as #737 as "Dormitorio America". To FNM #737.

****Three SOU and one CNO&TP sleepers were sold to Amtrak in 1971: SOU #2001 "Altamaha River", SOU #2007 "Otter River", SOU #2009 "Potomac River" and CNO&TP #3404 "Etowah River"

No Information Whatsoever:

SOU 44 seat diners #3310, #3311, and #3312

10RM-6DB sleepers sold to Amtrak (7 total): SOU #2012 "Saluda River" (#2855), SOU #2001 "Altamaha River" (#2814), SOU #2014 "Shenandoah River" (#2857), SOU #2011 "Rivanna River" (#2865), SOU #2007 "Otter River" (#2815), CNO&TP #3404 "Etowah River" (#2817) and PRR #8353 "Delaware River" (PC #4360/AMTK #2709)

10RM-6DB sleepers not sold to Amtrak (9 total): FEC "Venezuela" (did it go to CN as well?), SOU #2000 "Alapaha River", SOU #2018 "Tombigbee River", PRR #8352 "Bush River", PRR #8355 "Patapsco River", PRR #8357 "Schuylkill River", PRR #8358 "Susquehanna River", PRR #8356 "Raritan River" and L&N "Barren River"

14RM-4DB sleepers (9 total, all SOU): #2200 "Cashier's Valley", #2201 "Hiwasse Valley", #2202 "James River Valley", #2203 "Mississippi Valley", #2205 "Piedmont Valley", #2206 "Roanoke Valley", #2207 "Shenandoah Valley", #2208 "Spring Valley" and #2210 "Wauhatchie Valley"

1MR-2DR-21 seat buffet lounge sleeper SOU #2353 "Crescent Shores"

5DB-22 seat buffet lounge sleeper observations (2 total): SOU #2300 "Royal Arch" (1st) and L&N #3300 "Royal Canal"

Pictures:

1. AMTK #8521 at Pine, IN, on the Lake Shore Limited: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3371186 (Pat Huemmer photo)

2. AMTK #8524 at Alexandria, VA, on SB #91 Silver Star: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3359054 (Jim Mullison photo)

3. AMTK #8558 at North Shore, LA, on the Crescent!!: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3505402 (G Gerard photo)

4. RQAX #8750 "Yellowstone Park" in Alaska RR lease service: http://alaskarails.org/fp/passenger/JC-323-1.jpg (John Combs photo)

5. SOU #2003 "Catawba River" in Spencer, NC: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3070962 (Kevin Hunt photo)

6. Private Owner #2851 "Enoree River" in Chattanooga, TN: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7048/6956858471_6b51b77809_b.jpg (Jay T. Thomson photo)

7. SWGX #2005 "Flint River" in Americus, GA: http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4005/4426382955_2a24ea6482_b.jpg (John Pluta photo)

8. NARM #2006 "Ocmulgee River" in Huntsville, AL: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2166575 (John Owens photo)

9. TCRX #2854 "Pacolet River" in Nashville, TN: http://www.tcry.org/images/equipment/sou_2853.jpg (TCRY photo)

10. TVRM #2013 "Seneca River" in Chattanooga, TN: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1250441 (Matthew Sadler photo)

11. "E.J. Earley" in Dora, AL: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=824414 (John Matrow photo)

12. MALX #2017 "Tiger River" in Evansville, IN: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2727462 (Zachary Walters photo)

13. SOU #2019 "Tugalo River" in executive service in Atlanta on 4/26/1981: http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/3/1/2/8312.1206828000.jpg (George W. Hamlin photo)

14. IRM #2860 "Tye River" in French Lick, IN: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2580246 (Gary Everhart photo)

15. RNRH #2021 "Yadkin River" at MALX in Evansville, IN: http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?may05/05-02-05/US_Pullman_Evansville..jpg (T. Barrows photo)

16. NCMX #14 "Royal Arch" in Spencer, NC: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=558823 (Russell Underwood photo)

17. NCMX #14 "Royal Arch" in Spencer, NC: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3071025 (Kevin Hunt photo)

18. CNO&TP #3401 "French Broad River" in Latonia, KY: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=999113 (Bryan Oliver photo)

19. ISRX #3402 "Coosa River" at MALX in Evansville, IN: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2727463 (Zachary Walters photo)

20. TVRM #3403 "Holston River" in Chattanooga, TN: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1250442 (Matthew Sadler photo)

21. A&WP #7241 "Chattahoochee River" in Vinings, GA: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=529339 (J. Williams photo)

22. CSX #994501 in Cumberland, MD: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2058099 (Curt Beal photo)

23. KCS #2007 "Veracruz" in Roodhouse, IL: http://www.railcarphotos.com/pix/29/KCS%202007_Roodhouse%20IL_Skip%20Gatermann_2007-12-18_29574.jpg (Skip Gatermann photo)

24. PRR #8351 "Birch River" in Altoona, PA: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2560444 (Steve Pappas photo)

25. KRM "Pearl River" in New Haven, KY: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1933965 (John Owens photo)

26. BGRM #2813 "Kentucky River" in Versailles, KY: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1301408 (Joe Nugent photo)

27. SOU #2204 "Paint Rock Valley" in LaGrange, GA: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=544445 (J. Williams photo)

28. SOU #2350 "Crescent City" in Dalton, GA: http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s502/RailFan1979/Passenger%20Cars/2011-07-23112345.jpg~original (RailFan1979 photo)

29. SOU #2350 "Crescent City" in Dalton, GA: http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s502/RailFan1979/Crescent%20City/pictures_16718_SOUcrescity-1DaltonGa.jpg~original (RailFan1979 photo)

30. WATX #2351 "Crescent Harbor" in Johnson City, TN: http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/passenger/crescentharbor.jpg (Mike Piercy Jr. photo)

31. TVRM #2352 "Crescent Moon" in Chattanooga, TN: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1252682 (Matthew Sadler photo)

32. SOU #2301 "Royal Court" in Whippany, NJ: http://web.archive.org/web/20060524151119/http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/SOU2301WPNYNJ-OCT11-3D2.jpg (Jeff Lubchansky photo)

33. WofA "Royal Palace" in Morristown, NJ: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=590779 (Jeff Lubchansky photo)

34. FEC "Azalea" in Bowden, FL: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1770552 (G Gerard photo)

35. FEC "Azalea" in New Smyrna Beach, FL: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2105040 (James Gillin photo)

36. L&N #3301 "Royal Street" on NB #58 City of New Orleans: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1581103 (Shawn Levy photo)

37. L&N #3301 "Royal Street" in Normal, IL: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2282347 (Tim Fennell photo)

Sources:

1. Photographs located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. Numerous photographs located at: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/

3. Sleeper information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Amtrak information from "Amtak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon. Ordering information here: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf

5. Listing of SOU-CNO&TP-A&WP-WofA-FEC-L&N-PRR-NYC Lot #6814 sleeper assignments at: http://cs.trains.com/ctr/f/3/p/48375/613929.aspx

***End of Part One***

Postscript:

When I find the time, later posts will consist of coach, lounge, and baggage cars.

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving SOU Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:10 am 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
Sleepers:

FEC "Argentina" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Sold to CN in 1967 as #2131 "Grand Codroy River". To VIA Rail #2131. To private ownership as "Glacier Park". Amtrak registration #800515. To Rail Cruise of America as 4RM-7DB buffet sleeper "Colorado River". To KCS as #2007 "Veracruz".

FEC "Brazil" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Sold to CN in 1967 as #2133 "Ecum Secum River". To VIA Rail #2133. To private ownership as "Ecum Secum River". Amtrak registration #800008. Current whereabouts unknown.

Unknown Status:

FEC "Chile" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Sold to CN in 1967 as #213x "Nashwaak River". To VIA Rail #213x.

FEC "Guatemala" (assigned to the Royal Palm). Sold to CN in 1967 as #2130 "Terra Nova River". To VIA Rail #2130.

No Information Whatsoever:

10RM-6DB sleepers not sold to Amtrak (9 total): FEC "Venezuela" (did it go to CN as well?)


Checked another source for information on the FEC sleepers that were sold to CN in 1967:

FEC "Venezuela" to CN #2132 "Moose River" to VIA Rail #2132

FEC "Chile" to CN #2134 "Nashweak River" to VIA Rail #2134

Pictures:

1. CN #2130 "Terra Nova River" in Montreal: http://cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=55739&g2_serialNumber=4 (Paul Coe photo)

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving SOU Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:27 am 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
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L&N "Barren River"


From the same source:

L&N #3412 "Barren River"

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Here are a couple of additions:

2352 Crescent Moon, now in private hands but still in Chattanooga

2014 Shenendoah River, at TVRM in Chattanooga

2011 Rivanna River, Private owner to TVRM to Texas State Railroad

I will check the rest of my stuff and see if I can shed light on any more.

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You can add #3403 "Holston River" to the scrapped list. TVRM cut her up in the past year or two,but saved the side boards incase someone wants to apply them to a different car.


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SOU #2005 "Flint River" (assigned to the Royal Palm) to Amtrak in 1979 as #2852. Sold 2/1982. Stored at Whippany Railway Museum, Whippany, NJ. To Georgia Railroad Excursion Authority and used on Heart of Georgia Railroad as SWGX #2005 "Flint River". Amtrak registration #800101. To Denver Railcar as DRCX #6114. Currently stored in Americus, GA.


I'm not sure where the Denver Railcar reference comes from. That may have been the ID "Flint River" moved as from New Orleans to Americus when NS moved the car for the Authority, but as far as I know the car is still owned by the Authority, although restoration work never went far due to budget constraints. As of Saturday (9/7/13) the car is still stored in Americus.

Some corrections and additions:

"Flint River" is owned by the Southwest Georgia Railroad Excursion Authority, which operates the S.A.M. Shortline Excursion Train over the Heart of Georgia Railroad. The car was acquired by the Authority in 2004 (IIRC) and arrived in Americus in April, 2005. The sleeper was purchased from the Louisiana Railroad Heritage Trust in New Orleans (Kenner, LA), who had received it and several other cars by donation in the mid 1980's, thought to have been sometime in 1985. The car had previously been in private excursion service and carried reporting marks "GRTX 4199" for Gator Rail Tours, an operation of a Mr. Alfred K. Nippert. Mr. Nippert apparently purchased a number of sleepers and lounge-sleepers for his excursion service, several of which wound up in New Orleans. (I'd appreciate any additional information anyone might have concerning the Gator Rail operations.)

"Flint River" had been acquired from Southern on Feb. 1, 1979 after SR exited the passenger train business, and it remained in Amtrak service until sold into private ownership (Mr. Nippert) in 1982.

A couple other cars I documented in New Orleans when we inspected "Flint River":

1) ACL "Virginia Beach", ACF 1949, AMT 3227, (Amtrak registration No. 800317 as GRTX 3193)

2) AMT 2303 "Humming Bird", ACF 1949, orig. ACL Ogeechee River, rblt P-S 1961.

3) a car only identified as AMT 2772 "Columbia"

4) one of the cars in Rainier Rails' "Unknown Status" category: an SR 10-6 sleeper that appears to have been SR 2002 "Dan River", carried reporting marks "STRX 2850", so was probably ex-AMT 2850, originally SR 2002. This car was observed to be in bad condition with interior fire damage and may have been scrapped by now, but the "museum" group has had several pieces for sale or threatened with scrapping for over 10 years and I have not been there since about 2002.

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The Holston River was not scrapped but is still at TVRM. There are plans for it to go to a new home in the near future.

Al Nippert had a bunch of cars. IIRC New Georgia, TVRM and Spencer each got four. We got three 10&6s and the bedroom lounge Hollywood Beach (not the one with the glass roof, the other Hollywood Beach). I will go back and see if I can find my notes on who got what beyond the sleepers below.

Here is my list of 10&6 sleepers. I haven't updated it in a number of years (see what children and numerous other obligations like running a not-for-profit in your spare time keep you from keeping current?) and some of the other info in this thread may be more up to date.

2000 Alafina River wrecked 1975
2001 Altamaha River Al Nippert
2002 Dan River Al Nippert to George Stricker
2003 Catawba River Nippert to Spencer
2004 Enoree River Three private owners, now TVRM
2005 Flint River Al Nippert
2006 Ocmulgee River north Alabama
2007 Otter River Anbel Corp (1982)
2008 Pacolet River Al Nippert to New Georgia
2009 Potomac River Anbel Corp 1982
2010 Rapidan river Amtrak to Kasten to Bill Barmore
2011 Rivanna River Al Nippert to TVRM to Texas State
2012 Saluda River (no Info)
2013 Seneca River Al Nippert to TVRM (still there)
2014 Shenendoah River, Amtrak to Old Kenner to TVRM
2015 Rappahannock River Al Nippert to New Georgia
2016 St John’s River Al Nippert to TVRM to Don Early
2017 Tiger River Bellevue OH church
2018 Tombigbee River retired 1971 scrapped SW Ry Services (hasn’t this one surfaced somewhere?)
2019 Tugalo River NS 17 to New Georgia
2020 Tye River Al Nippert Indiana Ry Museum
2021 Yadkin River Roanoke Chapter
2022 York River Converted to 2302
2023 Warrior River to Rory Blake to Promontory Chapter NRHS
3400 Emory River Al Nippert to New Georgia
3401 French Broad River Al Nippert to Cincinnati Historical Society
3402 Coosa River wrecked 1975 then Asheville NRHS
3403 Holston River Old Kenner, Private owner, TVRM still there
3404 Etowah River Scrapped 1977 Ampol Wrecking

I show all but four of the 14&4s were scapped in 1971.
2204 Paint Rock Valley was in Atlanta, then Wam Springs now in Newnan(?) Georgia
2206 Roanoke Valley Asheville NRHS
2209 Tennessee Valley, Private owners, now in Knoxville but can't remember the owner
2210 Wauhatchie Valley Roanoke Chapter

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Sorry everyone for the bad info about the "Holston River",but that was what I was told a few months ago by an active TVRM member on facebook. Another member jumped in and mentioned the signboards being saved.


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I show the 3310 to be wrecked and scrapped in 1974. The 3311 was the car wrecked and scrapped in the wreck of the Southern Crescent at Elma, Virginia on December 3, 1978. The 3312 went to Ringling and then to Seminole Gulf Railway. I think this car was gutted and a generator put inside but I am not positive of that and not sure its whereabouts.


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Like Tim, my information is a little outdated but I am pretty sure the Dan River is still in New Orleans and probably needs to be scrapped given its condition.

I show the Altamaha River going from Al Nippert to a private party in Los Angeles. Not sure its whereabouts.

My notes show the Shenandoah River finally went to scrap. Is this right Tim?

I show the Otter River to be sold to Anbel Corp and scrapped or to Mexico.

Not sure where the Emory River went from New Georgia.

No clue on the Saluda River. This car showed on an old Amtrak roster way past any of the others but I never believed the roster. This is the one Southern/CNO&TP/CofG lightweight car on which I could never find a good lead.


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A little more info on the two cars Tim listed as "Roanoke Chapter". Sometime in early 1979, Southern donated three cars to us, Combine 727 (Budd, ex C of G), and Pullmans 2021 Yadkin River and 2210 Wauhatchie Valley. The Yadkin River was complete and generally in excellent condition, but it had wreck damage from the "Southern Crescent" derailment in Dec. 1978. One side of the vestibule was crushed, and the fluting was badly damaged on that side. The Wauhatchie Valley had been used as a parts car for many years at Haynes Shop. It was missing much of it's interior and mechanical components. Over the course of several months we cannibalized the Wauhatchie Valley to repair the Yadkin River. The remaining hulk of the 14-4 was scrapped a couple of years later. We ran the Yadkin River in excursion service, along with the 727 until 1991, when NS required heavy mechanical upgrades and an all red train. We sold the 727 to the Cuyohoga Valley RR about 1994. The Yadkin River was sold to Virginia Rail Investment in the late 1990's, it has since changed ownership. I heard an unsubstantiated rumor that it is now part of the Iowa Pacific collection. The Roanoke Valley was sold by the Asheville Chapter to a private owner. It is currently located at the Southern Appalachian Railway Museum

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Finally for now, the 3308 was sold to Illinois Transit Assembly after the incident on the Silver Star. The car was stripped of usable parts I suspect and was scrapped.


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The Roanoke Valley is indeed at the Southern Appalachia Railway Museum but is not privately owned. SARM owns the car. This is the only remaining Southern 14-4 in its original configuration. The car is not in very good condition but we have made efforts to keep it watertight. When we first acquired the car we found trash in the trash cans from it's final run which was evidently on Christmas Eve of either 1970 or 1971 on an overflow section of the Crescent.

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Lets see if I can give a few updates:

A&WP 501 is now at Mid America Rail Car Leasing and I believe is available for lease (Amtrak Certified???). Either way, nice car.

SOU 3308 was a "crispy critter" as a result of cutting a gas tanker truck in two at a crossing in Florida on Amtrak. Les/ITAX bought it and removed the freshly overhauled trucks that Amtrak moved it to the Grove on and cut the rest, IIRC.

The Tombigbee River went into a restaurant in Clanton, AL. Trucks to HOD at Calera, AL.

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The Chattahoochee River went from CSX to New Georgia to Southern Appalachia Railway Museum. SARM sold it to someone out West (Montana maybe for parts/trucks). What you're seeing at Vinings, GA is the West Point Route bag/RPO perhaps with the signs from the 10-6 stolen/applied for decoration.

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