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Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
With the replacement ACS-64 "class unit" now in revenue service, the time to plan for preservation of an Amtrak AEM7 is NOW. Let's talk this out a minute: We have at worst two years to get a strategy in order, assuming introduction of one a month for 70 months, unless that accelerates. It would be foolish to "kick the can down the road" for six or eight years, when all of a sudden the fleet shows up at Naporano or Larry's Truck & Electric. It is possible--albeit unlikely--one could be preserved in operable condition. If this is planned, expect to have to pay a premium for the retention/installation of technology such as Positive Train Control. We know of no major environmental issues addressing preservation of one intact. (Reliability of electronics, parts, etc. is another matter.) The AEM7 is a significant locomotive in Amtrak and American railroad history, but nowhere near the same iconic status of the PRR GG1 that ended up "overpreserved." Absent an operable example, only one or two would rightfully warrant preservation as static exhibits. That said, where? Let's throw out some nominees/possibilities:
Questions to raise:
Previous thread from two years ago: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32671 |
Author: | RCD [ Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
No one because "I remember when they first came out and if they are old then that means I am old and I am not old I just bought a sports car" Most museums are run by old guys who value Alco switchers over stuff that is really historically relevant. A switcher that switched cars for Penn Central in some railroad yard is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE! but a electric new fangled locomotive that hauled millions of people in the northeast is of little reverence. From what I have seen of F40PHs with some even being sold for parts by the Tennessee Central Railway Museum (talk about poor stuarts of artifacts) one rusting none operable at another museum (though under cover), and one slowly being Vaselined in Portland Or. The AEM7s will probably end up like there nicknames as toasters, and other goods from china. |
Author: | Tom Parkins [ Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
Railroad Museum of PA sure makes sense. Imagine a line up of GG1, E60, AEM-7. Throw in a few early PRR electrics and perhaps a Metroliner and you have a pretty impressive display and story. Certainly we need a few Amfleet 1 coaches to go with with that AEM-7. The obvious problem is that we keep making more history. But think about the number of pieces that we will need to preserve in the next 15-20 years. One can argue a whole lot of connection to RMPA. All of those Dash 8s and 9s that were built in PA. And legions of SDs and GPs that operated on Sandpatch and Horsehoe. That's a whole other thread. I had often hoped that the Wilmington Shops would have saved a GG1 and put in on display next to the mainline. A GG1 and AEM-7 would look great there. Still some Gs available. |
Author: | MRLX1020 [ Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
RCD wrote: No one because "I remember when they first came out and if they are old then that means I am old and I am not old I just bought a sports car" Most museums are run by old guys who value Alco switchers over stuff that is really historically relevant. A switcher that switched cars for Penn Central in some railroad yard is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE! but a electric new fangled locomotive that hauled millions of people in the northeast is of little reverence. From what I have seen of F40PHs with some even being sold for parts by the Tennessee Central Railway Museum (talk about poor stuarts of artifacts) one rusting none operable at another museum (though under cover), and one slowly being Vaselined in Portland Or. The AEM7s will probably end up like there nicknames as toasters, and other goods from china. You singled out the group in Nashville - The F40's in question were never owned by TCRM, but rather by a group of investors that purchased them for the eventual commuter operation - Music City Star. TCRM was able to use them until the commuter service started. TCRM is also more of an operating group than more of a museum - they do have some original TC pieces, and many items native to the Southeast or Tennessee. I'm not sure what you mean by Vaselined, but Dyna Rail has recently moved the 231 and the 644 from Portland, OR to a new home in Ogden, UT that is much safer.... Now, back to the toasters! I agree that it would be nice to see one preserved somewhere along the NEC in their native habitat. Maybe the future "Choo Choo Joe" Biden Vice Presidential museum would have space out back? |
Author: | wilkinsd [ Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
RCD wrote: (talk about poor stuarts of artifacts) More of a fan of the House of Hanover? |
Author: | Scott [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
I'm hopeful that RCD meant "stewards of artifacts" rather than "stuarts". I 'm very confident that there are a lot worse places to preserve rail stuff than Portland. The evidence should speak for itself. |
Author: | EDM [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
If the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania won't go after an EBT hopper, built and operated in PA, they won't go after an AEM-7... |
Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
Allow me to point out one little point: I was told, flat out, by a past RR Museum of Pa. administrator that the Museum and its staff are expressly PROHIBITED, by state regulations from formally/officially "pursuing" potential exhibits. The actual role of acquisition or donation falls to the Friends of the Railroad Museum or potential donors. He basically admitted that what happens is a "Kabuki dance" of epic proportions...."Wow. That's a historic railroad car! [whistles, looking at sky/ceiling].... would REALLY fit our mission statement at the Museum..... [whistles again, innocently]... They want HOW much? That's a steal.............too bad we can't go out and get one..... [whistles, walking away with hands in pocket, looking all innocent]...." On the other hand, as a state agency, what can happen in the case of Amtrak or SEPTA is the specific, selective transfer of assets from one governmental agency to another, at only the cost of paperwork and bureaucratic time. This is part of how and why Amtrak F40PH's showed up at the state RR museums in California and North Carolina, and an E60 at the RR Museum of Pa. ($1 sales to the state transportation departments); I believe the Metroliner that showed up at the RR Museum of Pa. was a similar transaction, while volunteers scavenged the survivors for spare parts. Now, none of this is assured; I have seen similar transfers nixed on the basis of exactly which agency paid for what rebuilds under what programs, and where they had to go from there--the negative side of dealing with "free" government money. You want the RR Museum of Pa. to get an EBT hopper? Start a fundraiser, coordinate with the sellers of an EBT hopper and the Friends of the RR Museum of Pa., and raise the money to buy and move one of them. The general gist of my original post is that we're not going to see fifteen AEM7's preserved, so we need to pick and choose a "worthy" home for the one or two or three that do get saved. I'm realistic enough to say that the RR Museum of Pa. has enough on their plate, but not so realistic that I'm going to argue if a cluster of fans that hangs out at Bowie or Perryville or Princeton Junction gets the collective inspiration for a station exhibit...... or if Juniata Terminal or SMS Services decide to add an electric to the stable.... |
Author: | wesp [ Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
Quote: The general gist of my original post is that we're not going to see fifteen AEM7's preserved, so we need to pick and choose a "worthy" home for the one or two or three that do get saved. Unfortunately "we" cannot pick or choose a worthy home. That decision depends on the leadership and management of any of the owners and museum organizations mentioned here. A grassroots campaign by RyPNers with the support of a willing museum that picks or chooses us is another matter. Wesley |
Author: | wilkinsd [ Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
I agree with Mr. Paulson and Mr. Mitchell in principal. One should be saved and the time to start thinking about that is now. Also, if one wants RRMPA to save one, or an EBT hopper, or anything else, it seems the best way to do it is the aforementioned grass roots effort. |
Author: | cnj1524 [ Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
There were or are talks according to milepost that RR museum of PA is in talks with Amtrak to get 1 and septa to get budd MU |
Author: | bbunge [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
If Bowie could take a AEM-7, it would most likely to wait for a MARC unit that stopped at Bowie than an Amtrak unit. Bob |
Author: | Mount Royal [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote: Let's throw out some nominees/possibilities:
Point of clarification, not nit-picking......Danbury Railway Museum and Railroad Museum of New England are two separate museums. Railroad Museum of New England is located in Thomaston, CT. rmne.org I can't say whether or not our museum would have an interest in such a unit. I'll leave it to the folks in charge of the collection to comment. |
Author: | robertjohndavis [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
Great ideas all around, but the RRMofPA has become the defacto home of Northeast Corridor electrics. An AEM7 would fit right in. How one of them ends up there is open to discussion, zi guess, but as far as interpretation goes that is the best fit. Rob |
Author: | Bulby [ Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: So Who Should Preserve an Amtrak AEM-7? |
Okay, I'll bite Pick the two best examples, repaint them, ship one to the railroad museum of Pennsylvania, and ship the other to Illinois Railway Museum. Why did I say repaint the one going to IRM? Simple, we'll get around to doing something with it sometime after N&W 2050 is returned to service. Until then, it can be parked behind the GG1. |
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