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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:10 pm 

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Dennis Storzek wrote:
No, I say they are stupid for being out there in the first place. The woman who lost her life can be excused, not much experience, but some of the old timers should have known better.


Remember, they were a film crew, not railroaders. Think about all the stuff you see on TV. One day they're shooting a car chase, the next day they're on the roof of a building, or shooting the star running away from a car as it explodes. Danger is just part of the job, they deal with stunts and danger on a daily basis.

Yes, whoever told them it was safe has lots of explaining to do, and got off lightly. But for most of the crew, it was just another day, and if they were told the set was safe, they didn't know any better.

In fact, that's the one positive thing to come out of this tragedy. This problem has been brought to the attention of Hollywood professionals. They're now more aware of what the rules are and how dangerous this stuff really is. Hopefully there will be somebody who asks questions and talks about safety. Will it solve all the problems? Of course not. But hopefully at least some accidents will be prevented.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:25 am 

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The real reason is the difficulty of managing crowds quickly. When somebody tells you to do something, what do you do first?

Right :) First you pause to think, and then you argue!

So the guy says "Get off NOW". OK you're like "WTH?" And then you're like "Wait, don't we have permission to be here?" And the cognitive dissonance gobbles up precious seconds, and then people set into the task proper on the conceit that "now we can be effective" but the time is gone.

Dennis Storzek wrote:
No, I say they are stupid for being out there in the first place.

And a lot of people think they can make a stupid decision and correct it later with extra-smart ones.

As if somebody can go from 0 to super-smart during an ambush that they walked into due to excessive dumbth. Not gonna happen.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:00 am 
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This is an odd question, but a co-worker asked me when he heard about the verdict on the news:
Does anyone know the lead locomotive number for the train that hit them?

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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:06 pm 

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I see this as a lot like the recent Amtrak hit on an oversize load. Many people lately do not want to admit they have gotten themselves into bad situation, and that they may suffer some consequences.
Leave the stuff on the bridge? No, because somebody will get mad. Or the shoot delayed, etc.
Call the RR because your truck is blocking the crossing? No, because your trip will be delayed, ot your company will be in trouble, etc.
I see this almost everyday lately, like when a motorist will suddenly cross three lanes to make a turn, or just suddenly stop in the road so they can get over to the freeway entrance, etc. I just does not seem to occurr to them that they should just accept the consequences of having to go a few blocks down the street to make a u-turn.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:15 pm 

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Super 12-axle oversize loads hitting Amtraks, that happens a lot more than you think. There's one crossing near a power plant where it happened TWICE. I'm sure that's a big part of why there are now 800# signs on every crossing, and yes, big movers are already required to coordinate with railroads before crossing them.

At this point I foresee a day when there's a yellow light on top of every signal control box, which tells the heavy hauler, parade, film crew etc. that the crossing is blocked out of service in the PTC. Cross with the light not flashing = go to jail.

There are so many other ways these could have been done, other precaution that could have been taken, etc. So this isn't just stupidity of action, it's several more stupidities of inaction. And from this grand start, they think they can save themselves with smart. /facepalm


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:13 pm 

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For the second time in three months, a Personal Trainer was killed while filming an exercise video on railroad property:
Atlanta TV-Channel 11: Personal trainer hit by train while making YouTube video

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[Travis Williams] Williams, who had changed his name to Achilles Williams, was a personal trainer who often videotaped outdoor workouts for his YouTube channel. Investigators say Williams and a friend were shooting a video near the train tracks over Roxboro Road near East Paces Ferry at the time of the accident. Williams was jumping rope while the friend shot video.

Investigators say Williams was not on the tracks, but was close enough to them to be struck as the freight train went by. They say he apparently misjudged the width of the train in relation to the size of the tracks. His friend was not injured but he was knocked down a hill by the impact.


And here is an update about the January fatality: LA Daily News - Greg Plitt’s girlfriend: Actor thought he was running on an adjacent track when killed by Metrolink train
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The girlfriend of Bravo reality TV star Greg Plitt told police the actor and fitness trainer mistakenly thought he was running on an adjacent track when he was struck and killed by a Metrolink train in Burbank while filming a sports drink promotion, according to an autopsy report released Friday.

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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:04 pm 

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The NTSB has released their report about the Film Crew Trespassing on CSX Right-of-Way fatality, that occurred in Jesup, Georgia on February 20, 2014:
National Transportation Safety Board - Railroad Accident Brief -Film Crew Trespassing on CSX Right-of-Way

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On the morning of the accident, February 20, 2014, CSX replied to the film location manager by e-mail, copying the Rayonier communications manager, to again deny the request to access CSX railroad property. In the e-mail, CSX stated:

Unfortunately, CSX will not be able to support your request. As discussed, I do suggest that you reach out to the short line railroads as they routinely support filming...

According to the film location manager, he forwarded the CSX e-mail to film staff, including: the producer, director, writer, production designer, and a location assistant. NTSB investigators were told during interviews with film staff that there was discussion about CSX’s e-mail on the morning of the accident. 6 In an interview, the location manager stated that he informed the producer, the director, the writer, and the first-assistant director about CSX’s denial of permission for filming on the railroad property. Furthermore, the location manager said that the director insisted that filming would proceed despite CSX’s denial of permission. As a result, the location manager refused to participate in the film shoot; although he could not prohibit the film crew from working.


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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:22 pm 
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Chris Webster wrote:
In an interview, the location manager stated that he informed the producer, the director, the writer, and the first-assistant director about CSX’s denial of permission for filming on the railroad property. Furthermore, the location manager said that the director insisted that filming would proceed despite CSX’s denial of permission. As a result, the location manager refused to participate in the film shoot; although he could not prohibit the film crew from working.
Man, I bet he was glad he'd distanced himself from that mess.
All that said, I'd expect someone in that position to have some personal guilt later, in that, "If only I'd been there, maybe I could have stopped it," when it fact, he'd probably been fired on the spot for saying, "no."
Seriously, I've seen people get canned right off the set for telling someone up the food chain something can't be done or not done the way the director wants. A film set is worse than the military for an overall attitude of, "Just make it happen, I'm not interested in hearing anything other than we're ready to go the way you wanted"...

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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:36 am 

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Chris Webster wrote:
The NTSB has released their report about the Film Crew Trespassing on CSX Right-of-Way fatality, that occurred in Jesup, Georgia on February 20, 2014:
National Transportation Safety Board - Railroad Accident Brief -Film Crew Trespassing on CSX Right-of-Way

The timing of the release is not a surprise. This was probably one of the most egregious act of trespass in recent times (and certainly one of the most publicly known).

Yesterday was Day One of a two-day public forum hosted by the NTSB titled Trains and Trespassing: Ending Tragic Encounters http://ntsb.gov/news/events/Pages/2015_trespassing_FRM.aspx
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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:47 pm 

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Trainlawyer wrote:
This was probably one of the most egregious act of trespass in recent times (and certainly one of the most publicly known).

According to a promo I saw today, the syndicated television program Corrupt Crimes is broadcasting an episode about the incident.

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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:20 am 

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An update from Associated Press reporter Russ Bynum:
Allman film director jailed in Georgia seeks early release (December 23, 2015)

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A movie director sentenced to jail for the on-set death of a camera assistant asked a Georgia judge to set him free less than a year after he began serving time for the fatal train collision during shooting of a film about singer Gregg Allman.

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[Former "Midnight Rider" director Randall Miller] was sentenced to two years in jail as part of a deal with prosecutors that allowed him to avoid standing trial — and a possible 11-year prison term if a jury convicted him. Now that Miller has served fewer than 10 months behind bars, his attorneys say he should be released early because of his good behavior as well as concerns for Miller's health.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:11 am 

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I would hope that the judge shows the same concern for Miller's health that Miller showed for the welfare of his crew.


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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:57 am 

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A February 19, 2016 article from the Associated Press: Parents of Film Worker Killed on Set Spread Safety Message

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LOS ANGELES — Richard and Elizabeth Jones stood on a crowded film set, looking out on a sea of actors and workers ready to shoot a scene. Every one of them reminded them of their daughter Sarah, who died two years ago on a Georgia railroad track shooting a film scene.

The past two years have turned the South Carolina couple into advocates for the safety of set workers. In a city in which crews move at a frenetic pace to stay on schedule and get the perfect shot, the Joneses have gotten some of them to slow down and reflect.


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 Post subject: Re: Film crewman killed by train
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:25 pm 

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From Occupational Safety and Health Reporter™
March 21, 2017
Filmmakers Fined for Flouting Safety Rules in Fatal Train Accident
https://www.bna.com/filmmakers-fined-flouting-n57982085520/

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:21 pm 
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Doesn't look like this movie is going to be finished, based on what I read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Rider_(film)

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