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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:35 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 6:39 am 
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Six cars, P-S, Lot #6836, Plan #7616, 1950, Turquoise Room short dome club lounge:

Ordered in June 1947 for Super Chief and delivered in December 1950. Eight 360-degree parlor seats and eight paired seats in the dome, 13* seats in the Turquoise Room (which always faced the diner), and 29 seats in the bar and lounge combined. In 1958*, the trucks were changed from inside swing hangar (ISH) to outside swing hangar (OSH), and the interior was redecorated. These cars were planned to carry Plaza-Series names (as suggested by Pullman's car names committee), but these were not applied by Santa Fe. Post-Amtrak owners have applied these names to some of the cars.

*Randall lists 13 seats in the Turquoise Room, and Dohmen lists 12 seats. Randall lists the refurbishing as 1958, and Dohmen lists 1957.

#500 Plaza Acoma to Amtrak #9350. Retired and sold in 1981 to Hogtrain, then to (when??) Jim Stephenson #800068 (leased to Texas Southern [when??]), then (when??) to Art Cushman (leased to Broadway Dinner Train [when??]). Sold in 1993 to Washington Central #152, renumbered #153. Sold in 1997 to BC Rail #153 for Pacific Starlight Dinner Train and named Twilight. Sold in 2004 to Ontario Northland #902.

#501 Plaza Laguna to Amtrak #9351. Stored in 1979 and sold in 1984 to Espirit de Corp Sportswear, later that year to Golden Gate RY Museum, then (when??) to Roy Thorpe, then (when??) to John Baldwin. Sold (when??) to Washington Central (later Columbia Basin) #104 for Spirit of Washington Dinner Train and named City of Seattle. Operation closed in 2005 after moving from Renton, WA, to Tacoma. Cars were stored on the Chelatchie Prairie RR in Vancouver, WA, before being sold in 2012 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande (SLRG) for Santa Cruz & Monterey Bay operation.

#502 Plaza Lamy to Amtrak #9352. Stored in 1981 and sold in 1982 to KYLE. Sold (when??) to Dan Marnell #800403 (Plaza Lamy applied). Sold (when??) to Sierra Madre Express. Sold in 1999 to Santa Fe Southern. Current status unknown.

#503 Plaza Santa Fe to Amtrak #9353. Retired and sold in 1981 to Standard Industries, then (when??) to Jim Stephenson, then (when??) to Wayne Yetter-California Rail Tours #800392 (Plaza Santa Fe applied and leased to Branson Scenic [when??]). Sold (when??) to Wade Pellizzer-Virginia City Rail Corporation.

#504 Plaza Taos to Amtrak #9354. Retired and sold in 1981 to A.G. Cole, then (when??) to Jim Stephenson, then (when??) to Art Cushman (leased to Broadway Dinner Train [when??], then to TCRY Museum [when??]). Sold in 2007 to Arizona RY Museum and restored to Santa Fe lettering (Plaza Taos applied).

#505 Plaza Zuni to Amtrak #9355. Stored in 1979 and sold in 1981 to Niles Canyon.

Eight cars, Budd, Lot #9646-129, 1954, 103 seat full dome lounge chair:

Ordered in September 1952 and delivered between January and March 1954. 57 chairs and 18 seat lounge in the dome and 28 seat lounge and nurse's room in the lower level. Remodeling of these cars for service on the Auto Train was contracted to Pullman in Lots #R7048-#R7058.

#506 retained (1971) renumbered to #60 (1974) to BNSF #31 and named Bay View in 1999 (#800638).

#507 sold in 1971 to Auto Train #540 and reconfigured to 52 seat lounge in the dome with piano and 24 seat club lounge in the lower level. Sold in 1981 to Roy Thorpe. Sold in 1987 to Holland America Westours and named Susitna, outshopped in 1989 (#800153), transferred in 2004 to Alaska Rail Tours. Sold in 2005 to Cañon City & Royal Gorge RY.

#508 sold in 1971 to Auto Train #520 and reconfigured to 51 chairs in the dome and 28 seat club lounge in the lower level. Sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego, outshopped in 1984 as NYS&W #503. Sold in 1985 to Holland America Westours and named Matanuska, outshopped in 1987 (#800121), transferred in 2004 to Alaska Rail Tours. Sold in 2009 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #508, renamed Canyon View, and assigned to Saratoga & North Creek.

#509 sold in 1971 to Auto Train #521 and reconfigured to 51 chairs in the dome and 28 seat club lounge in the lower level. Sold in 1981 to Don Gage. Sold in 1984 to Delaware Otsego as replacement for burned #555, stored at Utica. Sold in 1985 to Holland America Westours and named Chena, outshopped in 1994 (#800122), listed for sale in 2003. Sold in 2007 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #509, renamed Cascade View, and assigned to Mount Hood RR.

#510 sold in 1971 to Auto Train #522 and reconfigured to 51 chairs in the dome and 28 seat club lounge in the lower level. Sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego and stored. Sold in 1985 to Holland America Westours and named Chulitna, outshopped in 1987 (#800123), listed for sale in 2003. Sold in 2007 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #510, renamed Sunset View, and painted in IC Chocolate & Orange.

#511 sold in 1971 to Auto Train #523 and reconfigured to 51 chairs in the dome and 28 seat club lounge in the lower level. Sold in 1981 to Dick Reynolds-Great Western Tours and named Donner Pass. Leased to Eureka Southern-Sierra Western and used on North Coast Daylight excursions over the NWP as SW #523, with SP Daylight Orange in the windowband and letterboards. Sold in 1986 to Holland America Westours and renamed Nenana, outshopped in 1987 (#800124), listed for sale in 2003. Sold in 2007 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #511, renamed Scenic View, painted in IC Chocolate & Orange, and assigned to Pullman Rail Journeys/general charter.

#512 nurse's room was converted to a news stand at unknown date. Sold in 1971 to Auto Train #541 and reconfigured to 52 seat lounge in the dome with piano and 24 seat club lounge in the lower level. Sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego and stored. Sold in 1985 to Holland America Westours and named Tanana, outshopped in 1987 (#800125), transferred in 2004 to Alaska Rail Tours. Sold in 2009 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #512, renamed Alpine View, and assigned to Saratoga & North Creek.

#513 sold in 1971 to Auto Train #524 and reconfigured to 51 chairs in the dome and 28 seat club lounge in the lower level. Sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego, outshopped in 1984 as NYS&W #501. Sold in 1985 to Holland America Westours and named Talkeetna, outshopped in 1987 (#800134), transferred in 2007 to Alaska Rail Tours. Sold in 2009 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #513, renamed Columbia View, and assigned to Mount Hood RR.

Six cars, Budd, Lot #9646-146, 1954, 83 seat full dome lounge chair dormitory:

Ordered in July 1953 and delivered between April and May 1954. 57 chairs and 18 seat lounge in the dome and 8 seat club lounge and 12 bunk dormitory in the lower level. For the Auto Train, seating in the dome was reduced from 75 total to 51 chairs. Remodeling of these cars for service on the Auto Train was contracted to Pullman in Lots #R7048-#R7058.

#550 to Auto Train #512. Wrecked on 5-5-1976 at Jaratt, VA. Sold in 1981 to Passenger Car Associates, trucks removed for business car Cyrus K. Holliday, burned by vandals in 1982, sold in 1983 to D.J. Joseph and scrapped.

#551 to Auto Train #513. Sold in 1981 to Passenger Car Associates, leased to Golden Arrow (1983-1987). Sold in 1989 to Holland America Westours and named Kobuk, outshopped in 1994, listed for sale in 2003. Sold in 2007 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #551, renamed Sky View in Santa Fe lettering, and assigned to general charter (#800966).

#552 to Auto Train #514. Sold in 1981 to Doug Ebert (WRSX) #552. Sold in 1987 to Venango River Corporation (VRRC) #552 (#800330). Sold in 1988 to Conrail #55 (#800459). To NS in 1999, outshopped in 2002 as #24 and named Delaware (#800777).

#553 to Auto Train #515. Sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego, outshopped in 1984 as NYS&W #502. Sold in 1985 to Holland America Westours and named Kashwitna, outshopped in 1989 (#800135), listed for sale in 2003. Sold in 2006 to Cañon City & Royal Gorge RY.

#554 to Auto Train #510. Sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego, outshopped in 1984 as NYS&W #504. Sold in 1985 to Holland America Westours and named Eklutna, outshopped in 1987 (#800136), listed for sale in 2003. Sold in 2007 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande as SLRG #554, renamed Summit View, painted in IC Chocolate & Orange, and assigned to Pullman Rail Journeys/general charter, Santa Cruz & Monterey Bay, and Saratoga & North Creek.

#555 to Auto Train #511. Sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego, burned by vandals in 1984 in Little Ferry, NJ. Sold in 1985 to Naparano Iron & Metal and scrapped.

Sources:

1. Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society passenger car roster pages: http://www.atsfrr.com/links/atsf/passenger.htm

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

4. Phil Dohmen's page on Santa Fe short domes: http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/ATSF/

5. Phil Dohmen's page on Santa Fe full domes: http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/ATSFf/

6. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 5:53 am 
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From an earlier thread (http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34851):

1. Santa Fe chair stored on SD&AE at Jacumba, formerly used by San Bernardino RHS. Does anyone know the identity of this chair??

From Steve Sandifer's list of extant Santa Fe passenger cars (http://web.archive.org/web/20090528104542/http://www.trainweb.org/jssand/Captive/CapSFPass.htm):

1. 52 seat chair #3087 (Budd, Lot #977, 1937) to NJT 82 seat commuter coach #3087 (1969) to Verde Canyon Railroad and named Laramie (1989). The VCRR renumbered this chair--does anyone know the current number??

See here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/totentanz/13904377038/sizes/k/in/photostream/ (Luca Terracciano photo)

2. Looking at photos online, it appears Verde Canyon owns four other Budd or P-S stainless cars which would appear to be of Santa Fe heritage. I have identified one other car, listed in the lounge cars section below, but the other three remain a mystery, due to VCRR renumbering cars, and their website (even an archived version) wasn't helpful. Does anyone have info on the cars owned by VCRR?? Thanks in advance.

3. 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1822 Regal Isle (AC&F, Lot #3358, Plan #9011, 1950) to Amtrak #2352 (1971) retired in 1981 and sold to unknown party, later (when??) to Jon Clark

4. 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1830 Regal Ruby (P-S, Lot #6757, Plan #4144, 1948) to Amtrak #2368 (1971) retired in 1979 and sold to R. Bryan and located at Midland RY Historical Assoc. (Baldwin City, KS)

5. Midland RHA also has a Santa Fe P-S coach (outfitted with snack counter) which is owned by D. Cumpton. Does anybody know which coach/chair this is?

6. 10RM-3DB-2C sleeper Blue-series (P-S, Lot #6757, Plan #4145, 1947) located in a field north of Topeka, KS. Sandifer lists this car as the Blue Grass (#208/Amtrak #2500), but Randall lists the Blue Grass as being scrapped in 1973. Could the car in Topeka be the Blue Grove (#209/Amtrak #2501)?? Does anyone know the identity of this car??

7. 10RM-3DB-2C sleeper #222 Blue Water (P-S, Lot #6757, Plan #4145, 1947) to Amtrak #2508 (1971) retired in 1979 and sold to Fillmore & Western.

Picture taken on 8-7-2002: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8039/7910095022_c6d06927df_o.jpg (Pete Piszczek photo) (click once to enlarge)

8. Fillmore & Western also owns a Santa Fe P-S lounge. Does anyone know the identity of this car?

Picture from FWRY website, captured via Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20110103184505/http://fwry.com/productions_home/Film%20Web%20Pictures/Railroad%20Equipment/Exterior/Santa%20Fe%20Lounge.jpg

9. 48 seat leg rest chair #2822 (Budd, Lot #9613-135, 1953) to Amtrak #4816 (1971) to HEP #4705 (1980) retired in 1995 and sold to Rail Journeys West (Santa Clara, CA)

10. As of 1992, the Kiamichi RR in Hugo, OK, owned a lightweight Santa Fe lounge. Was this lounge owned by the KRR or by the Hugo Heritage RR (HHR)?? Does anyone know the identity of this lounge??

11. 52 seat chair #3162 (Budd, Lot #9613-001, 1946) to Amtrak #5234 (1971) to 60 seat coach #6041 (1976) to buffer car #10601 (1977) sold (when??) to Goode Company Seafood Restaurant (Houston)--restaurant cut the car in half lengthwise

From Phil Dohmen's website:

1. Turquoise Room short dome #500 Plaza Acoma (P-S, Lot #6836, Plan #7616, 1950) was acquired by Washington Central in 1993 for the planned Atlantic Clipper Dinner Train on the NYS&W. When these plans did not coalesce, the #500 (WCRC #153) was sold to BC Rail with the other cars that had been acquired for the Atlantic Clipper, including AT&SF lounges #1371 and #1398 (listed in the lounge section below).

Business Cars:

One car, P-S, Lot #6882, Plan #7626, 1949:

Ordered in January 1949 and delivered in December 1949. 4 state rooms.

#5001 Santa Fe (1st) renamed in 1957 to Atchison renumbered in 1974 to #52 to BNSF #5 (#800232) later (when??) to track geometry support car #88.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #9664-186, 1957:

Ordered in January 1956 and delivered in August 1957.

#5002 Topeka renumbered in 1974 to #51 to BNSF #6 (#800648).

#5003 Santa Fe (2nd) renumbered in 1974 to #50 to BNSF #7 (#800637).

One car, P-S, Lot #6835, Plan #7611, 1949:

Ordered by U.S. Steel in November 1948 and delivered in March 1949. Acquired by Santa Fe in 1962.

U.S. Steel Laurel Ridge sold in 1962 to AT&SF #5004 and renamed Mountainair renumbered in 1974 to #53 to BNSF #8 and renamed John S. Reed (#800567).

Diners:

Seven cars, P-S, Lot #6851, Plan #7625, 1950, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1948 for Super Chief and delivered between November and December 1950.

#600 retained (1971) renumbered 1974 to #61 to BNSF #11 and named Fred Harvey (#800660).

#601 to Amtrak #8070. Retired and sold in 1981 to Norman Holmes, located at WPRR Museum.

#602 to Amtrak #8071, seating increased to 48. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#603 to Amtrak #8072. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#604 to Amtrak #8073. Wrecked in 5-1975 and subsequently scrapped.

#605 to Amtrak #8074. Retired and sold in 1977 to Grant Supply (Tulsa), later (when??) to Ken Bitten. Stored in York, PA, and at last report stored in Chicago.

#606 to Amtrak #8075. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

One car, Budd, Lot #967, 1937, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in April 1936 for Super Chief and delivered in April 1937. Seating later (when??) increased to 46.

#1474 Cochiti sold in 1968 to J.W. Kerslake (Tea, SD), later (when??) to CSRM.

Ten cars, Budd, Lot #976, 1937, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in February 1937 and delivered in May 1937.

#1475 sold in 1968 to W. Silver & Company (Anthony, TX).

#1476 sold in 1968 to W. Silver & Company.

#1477 to Amtrak #8030, seating increased to 48. Retired at unknown date. Current status unknown.

#1478 sold in 1970 to W. Silver & Company.

#1479 to Amtrak #8031, seating increased to 46. Retired and sold in 1981 to Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter NRHS, located at Children's Museum in Utica, NY.

#1480 to Amtrak #8032. Retired and sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego-Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley (CACV) #13, later (when??) transferred to NYS&W #508. Current status unknown.

#1481 to Amtrak #8033, seating increased to 48. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#1482 sold in 1970 to J.W. Kerslake, later (when??) to South Dakota Central (Draper, SD). Current status unknown.

#1483 to Amtrak #8034, seating increased to 46. Retired and sold in 1981 to PSRM. Wrecked in runaway incident at Jacumba and subsequently scrapped.

#1484 sold in 1968 to W. Silver & Company.

One car, Budd, Lot #988, 1938, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in August 1937 and delivered in January 1938. Seating later (when??) increased to 46.

#1485 Awatobi sold in 1968 to W. Silver & Company.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #989, 1938, 48 seat diner:

Ordered in August 1937 and delivered in February 1938.

#1486 to Amtrak #8035. Stored in 1981 and sold in 1983 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#1487 sold in 1968 to W. Silver & Company.

One car, P-S, Lot #6598, Plan #7425, 1940, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in July 1939 for Super Chief and delivered in February 1940. Seating later (when??) increased to 46.

#1488 sold in 1968 to Look's Depot Restaurant located in Market Square, Houston. Current status unknown.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #96910, 1942, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in March 1941 and delivered in January 1942. Seating later (when??) increased to 46.

#1489 sold in 1970 to W. Silver & Company.

#1490 sold in 1970 to W. Silver & Company.

Eight cars, Budd, Lot #96915, 1942, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in May 1941 and delivered between June and July 1942.

#1491, seating later (when??) increased to 46, to Amtrak #8036, seating increased to 48. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska RR #4836. Sold in 1989 to unknown party, later (when??) to ITAX. Sold (when??) to private owner CBRX #1491 (Charles City, IA).

#1492 to Amtrak #8037. Retired and sold in 1981 to Midwest Travel Service and named Soonerland II. Current status unknown.

#1493 to Amtrak #8038. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#1494 to Amtrak #8039. Retired and sold in 1981 to unknown party, later (when??) to Broadway Dinner Train. Current status unknown.

#1495, seating later (when??) increased to 46, to Amtrak #8040, seating increased to 48. Retired and sold in 1981 to Tifton Terminal Railway and named The Royal Palm (Tifton, GA), later (when??) to ITAX, then to Gateway. Current status unknown.

#1496, seating later (when??) increased to 46, to Amtrak #8041, seating increased to 48. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#1497 to Amtrak #8042. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska RR #4842. Sold in 1989 to Denver Railcar #800335. Sold (when??) to ITAX, then to Gateway. Scrapped in 7-2011.

#1498 to Amtrak #8043. Retired and sold in 1981 to unknown party, later (when??) to ITAX. Sold in 2006 to private owner in Iowa.

Lunch Counters:

Three cars, Budd, Lot #998, 1938, 13 seat lunch counter 24 seat club lounge:

Ordered in September 1937 and delivered in March 1938.

#1500 reconfigured in 1940 to 13 seat lunch counter 24 seat diner. Sold in 1967 to W. Silver & Company.

#1501 reconfigured in 6-1938 to 13 seat lunch counter 24 seat diner, reconfigured in 1953 to 40 seat cafeteria. Sold in 1967 to W. Silver & Company.

#1502 reconfigured in 6-1938 to 13 seat lunch counter 24 seat diner. Sold in 1967 to W. Silver & Company.

One car, Budd, Lot #96909, 1941, 14 seat lunch counter 24 seat diner:

Ordered in March 1941 and delivered in December 1941. Lunch counter seats later (when??) reduced to 13.

#1503 sold in 1967 to Metal Processing Industries (Vinton, TX).

One car, Budd, Lot #96905, 1941, 14 seat lunch counter 24 seat diner:

Ordered in November 1940 and delivered in May 1941. Lunch counter seats later (when??) reduced to 13.

#1504 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #991, 1938, 14 seat lunch counter 24 seat diner:

Ordered in August 1937 and delivered in February 1938. Lunch counter seats later (when??) reduced to 13.

#1505 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#1506 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

One car, P-S, Lot #6599, Plan #7426, 1940, 14 seat lunch counter 24 seat diner:

Ordered in July 1939 for El Capitan and delivered in February 1940. Lunch counter seats later (when??) reduced to 13.

#1507 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Sixteen cars, Budd, Lot #9627-013, 1948, 14 seat lunch counter 20 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1945 and delivered between January and March 1948. Dining seats later (when??) increased to 24.

#1550 sold in 1969 to Kilgore (Houston), later (when??) to ITAX. Current status unknown.

#1551 to Amtrak #8100 to MofW camp car #16762 (1976). Current status unknown.

#1552 sold in 1969 to J.W. Kerslake, later (when??) to South Dakota Central. Current status unknown.

#1553 sold in 1969 to Metal Processing Industries.

#1554 sold in 1969 to Cadillac & Lake City and named Emerald Lake. Sold in 1972 to Algoma Central #504. Damaged by fire in 1998 and stored, later (when??) to Gateway. Sold (when??) to Museum of the American RR.

#1555 sold in 1969 to Roger McRee (New Orleans). Current status unknown.

#1556 to Amtrak #8101 to HEP lounge #3107 (1980). Wrecked in 11-1988 on #88 and stored. Sold in 1995 to AOE-Montana Rockies Rail Tours as parts source. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#1557 to Amtrak #8102 to HEP lounge #3111 (1981). Reassigned in 1996 to Adirondack and named L'Auberge Laurentian. Stored in 2001. Current status unknown.

#1558 to Amtrak #8103 to HEP lounge #3112 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to Coe Rail, later (when??) to Ferromex #150002.

#1559 to Amtrak #8104 to HEP lounge #3108 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Railroad Power Leasing and named Alexandra. Now stored on Morristown & Erie and used as parts source for Penobscot Bay (see #1562).

#1560 to Amtrak #8105 to HEP lounge #3109 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Rail Quest America, reconfigured to club diner, and leased to AOE-MRRT. Leased 2005-2008 to Alaska RR as café diner #353. Sold in 2011 to Galveston RR Museum and named City of Galveston (#800911).

#1561 sold in 1969 to W. Silver & Company.

#1562 to Amtrak #8106 to HEP lounge #3106 (1980). Retired and sold in 1999 to Morristown & Erie #3006 and named Penobscot Bay (#800762).

#1563 sold in 1969 to E.V. "Red" Stadler (Topeka). Current status unknown.

#1564 to Amtrak #8107 to HEP lounge #3110 (1980). Retired in 1995. Current status unknown.

#1565 sold in 1969 to W. Silver & Company.

Twelve cars, P-S, Lot #W6845*, Plan #7620, 1950, 13 seat lunch counter 20 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1948 for El Capitan and delivered between June and August 1950. Dining seats in #1566-#1568 increased in 1954 to 24. #1569-#1577 reconfigured in 1954 to 13 seat lunch counter 8 seat diner dormitory.

*The "W" refers that these cars were assembled at the Osgood-Bradley plant in Worcester, MA.

#1566 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#1567 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#1568 sold in 1968 to W. Silver & Company.

#1569 to Amtrak #8110. Retired and sold in 1977 to Boquet Movie Ranch (Newhall, CA). Current status unknown.

#1570 to Amtrak #8111. Retired and sold in 1977 to Boquet Movie Ranch (Newhall, CA). Current status unknown.

#1571 to Amtrak #8112. Retired in 1976 and sold in 1977 to D.J. Joseph.

#1572 to Amtrak #8113. Retired and sold in 1976 to P. Obletz International, later (when??) to private ownership, located at Morristown & Erie as ME #1572 and named Epicuris (#800133).

#1573 to Amtrak #8114. Stored in 1977. Current status unknown.

#1574 to Amtrak #8115. Stored in 1977. Current status unknown.

#1575 to Amtrak #8116. Retired and sold in 1977 to Fowler Packing Company. Current status unknown.

#1576 to Amtrak #8117. Retired and sold in 1977 to William P. Gawzner-Miramar Hotel (Santa Barbara), later (when??) to private ownership and located along Edison Highway in Bakersfield. Current status unknown.

#1577 to Amtrak #8118. Stored in 1977. Current status unknown.

Lounges:

Six cars, P-S, Lot #6849, Plan #7623, 1950, 29* seat lounge barber shop shower 18 bunk dormitory:

Ordered in June 1948 for Super Chief and delivered in November 1950. Barber shop later (when??) changed to valet room. Amtrak reconfigured these six cars to 31 seat buffet lounge dormitory.

*Randall lists 29 seats, and another source lists 28 seats. Second source also lists these cars as club lounge writing desk barber shop shower dormitory.

#1339 to Amtrak #3390. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#1340 to Amtrak #3391. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#1341 to Amtrak #3392. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#1342 to Amtrak #3393. Retired and sold in 1981 to private ownership in Luther, OK.

Picture taken in January 2013: https://www.flickr.com/photos/dalroy/8407147030/sizes/h/in/photolist-dNUPUS/ (DiAnn L'Roy photo)

#1343 to Amtrak #3394. Retired in 1981 and sold in 1982 to Austin Steam Train-Austin & Texas Central (ATCX) #1343 and named Red Rock for Hill Country Flyer, now restored to Santa Fe lettering.

Picture taken in December 2008: https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3081/3196480441_f1cc5444f5_o.jpg (Earl Leatherberry photo) (click once to enlarge)

#1344 to Amtrak #3395. Retired and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Donated in 1999 to Gulf Coast Chapter NRHS-Houston RR Museum.

Houston RR Museum page on #1344: http://kingswayrc.com/gcst/roster/1344.html

One car, P-S, Lot #6848, Plan #7622, 1950, 33* seat club lounge valet room shower 12 bunk dormitory:

Ordered in June 1948 for Chief and delivered in November 1950. Valet room and shower later (when??) changed to steward's room.

*Randall lists 33 seats, and another source lists 32 seats. Second source also lists this car as club lounge writing desk barber shop shower dormitory.

#1345 sold in 1968 to Father Sandkoop (Baring, MO). Current status unknown.

One car, P-S, Lot #6847, Plan #7507A, 1950, 51* seat club lounge news stand nurse's room:

Ordered in June 1948 for El Capitan and delivered in November 1950.

*Randall lists 51 seats, and another source lists 50 seats.

#1346 reconfigured in 1967 to 30 seat lounge snack bar dormitory, retained (1971), reconfigured in 1972 to air brake instruction #5010, renumbered in 1974 to #76 (#800306). Sold (when??) to private ownership, recently listed on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

Three cars, P-S, Lot #6734, Plan #7507, 1947, 51 seat club lounge news stand nurse's room:

Ordered in August 1944 for El Capitan and delivered in September 1947. Later reassigned to Grand Canyon Limited and California Special.

*Another source lists these cars as having a writing desk.

#1347 to Amtrak #3350, reconfigured to 48 seat buffet lounge. Stored in 1978. Current status unknown.

#1348 retained (1971) renumbered in 1974 to #62 to BNSF #29 and named Valley View (#800635).

#1349 to Amtrak #3351, reconfigured to 48 seat buffet lounge. Retired and sold in 1981 to Golden Gate RY Museum.

One car, Budd, Lot #967, 1937, 30 seat club lounge barber shop 12 bunk dormitory:

Ordered in April 1936 for Super Chief and delivered in April 1937. Barber shop later (when??) changed to steward's room.

#1370 Acoma sold in 1968 to S.W. McChesney, later (when??) to Franklin Conaway (Chillicothe, OH). Sold in 1995 to John Bond and Ronald & Lorie Ashcraft-Southwest Rail Car LLC, used on Santa Fe Southern, moved to Los Angeles and used as part of LA Rail fleet, met Amtrak PC2 in 2012 (#800720), dormitory removed for future installation of bedrooms. Recently used on #3751 trip from LAUPT to 2014 San Bernardino Railroad Days.

Six cars, Budd, Lot #979, 1937, 28 seat club lounge barber shop shower dormitory:

Ordered in February 1937 and delivered in October 1937. Barber shop later (when??) changed to steward's room.

#1371 Nambe sold in 1968 to Kilgore, later (when??) to Texas Southern. Sold in 1993 to Washington Central #154 for planned Atlantic Clipper Dinner Train on NYS&W, sold in 1997 to BC Rail #154 and named Rainbow for Pacific Starlight Dinner Train. Operation closed in 2002 following CN merger and sold in 2004 to Ontario Northland #903. Sold in 2011 to William Osborn and moved to Austin, TX.

#1372 Picuris to Amtrak #3380. Retired and sold in 1981 to Memphis Transportation Museum and renamed Dyersburg. Current status unknown.

#1373 Tesuque sold in 1968 to Speno. Current status unknown.

#1374 Santa Clara wrecked in 11-1967 at Lomax, IL, and subsequently scrapped in 1968.

#1375 Moencopi sold in 1969 to Allison (Phoenix). Current status unknown.

#1376 Zuni wrecked in 12-1965 at Clovis, NM, and subsequently scrapped in 1967.

One car, Budd, Lot #987, 1938, 29 seat club lounge barber shop shower dormitory:

Ordered in August 1937 and delivered in January 1938. Barber shop later (when??) changed to steward's room.

#1377 Agathla sold in 1969 to Allison. Current status unknown.

One car, P-S, Lot #6600, Plan #7427, 1940, 28 seat club lounge barber shop shower dormitory:

Ordered in July 1939 for Super Chief and delivered in March 1940. Barber shop later (when??) changed to steward's room.

#1378 Concho to Amtrak #3381. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #96907, 1941, 48 seat club lounge news stand nurse's room:

Ordered in November 1940 and delivered between April and May 1941.

#1388 sold in 1968 to Champlin Realty-Maple Street Station Restaurant (Enid, OK). Current status unknown.

#1389 sold in 1968 to Champlin Realty-Maple Street Station Restaurant, later (when??) to private ownership. Current status unknown.

Six cars, Budd, Lot #9629-001, 1946, 28 seat club lounge barber shop shower dormitory:

Ordered in May 1941 and delivered between March and April 1946. Barber shop and shower later (when??) changed to steward's room.

#1390 seats in club lounge reduced in 1955 to 24. Sold in 1969 to W. Silver & Company.

#1391 to Amtrak #3382. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#1392 seats in club lounge reduced in 1955 to 24. Sold in 1969 to Speno and converted to detector car. Current status unknown.

#1393 seats in club lounge reduced in 1955 to 24. Sold in 1968 to El Paso Iron & Metal (Vinton, TX), later (when??) to Jon Clark.

#1394 sold in 1968 to W. Silver & Company.

#1395 sold in 1968 to Champlin Realty-Maple Street Station Restaurant, later (when??) to Verde Canyon RR (Clarkdale, AZ). Does anyone know the VCRR number of this car??

Two cars, Budd, Lot #96902, 1940, 32 seat club lounge 26 seat chair news stand:

Ordered in July 1939 and delivered in January 1940. Reconfigured in November 1940 to 47 seat club lounge, reconfigured in 1952 to 23 seat club lounge 20 seat diner.

#1396 stored in 1968. Current status unknown.

#1397 retained (1971) rebuilt in 1975 to track inspection-theatre #89 to BNSF #32 and named William Barstow Strong (#800658).

Two cars, Budd, Lot #994, 1938, 31 seat club lounge 26 seat chair news stand:

Ordered in September 1937 and delivered in March 1938.

#1398 to Amtrak #3820. Retired and sold in 1977 to Aurora Travel Service. Sold in 1980 to Seattle & North Coast RR (SNCT) #3820 and named Dungeness River. Sold in 1984 to Transcisco Tours. Sold in 1993 to Washington Central #157 for planned Atlantic Clipper Dinner Train on NYS&W. Sold in 1997 to BC Rail #157 and named Continental for Pacific Starlight Dinner Train. Operation closed in 2002 following CN merger and sold in 2004 to Ontario Northland #905. Is this car now privately owned, or is it still owned by ONT??

#1399 to Amtrak #3821. Retired and sold in 1977 to Boquet Movie Ranch. Current status unknown.

Baggage-Lounges:

Six cars, Budd, Lot #978, 1937, 30 seat buffet lounge barber shop shower 8 bunk baggage dormitory:

Ordered in February 1937 and delivered in October 1937.

#1380 San Miguel reconfigured in 1956 to 24 bunk baggage dormitory to Amtrak #1500. Retired and sold in 1981 to KYLE-SD&AE, sold in 1982 to PSRM.

#1381 San Marcial reconfigured in 1956 to 24 bunk baggage dormitory to Amtrak #1501. Wrecked in 10-1980.

#1382 San Fernando wrecked in 1956.

#1383 San Simon reconfigured in 1956 to 24 bunk baggage dormitory to Amtrak #1502. Retired and sold in 1977 to Levin Iron & Metal.

#1384 San Ignacio wrecked in 1947.

#1385 San Pascal reconfigured in 1956 to 24 bunk baggage dormitory to Amtrak #1503. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #986, 32 seat club lounge* 8 bunk baggage dormitory:

Ordered in August 1937 and delivered in January 1938.

*Randall lists these cars as club lounge, and another source lists these cars as buffet lounge with barber shop.

#1386 San Clemente reconfigured in 1956 to 24 bunk baggage dormitory. Wrecked in 1970.

#1387 San Acacia wrecked in 1947.

Sources:

1. Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society passenger car roster pages: http://www.atsfrr.com/links/atsf/passenger.htm

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

4. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

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1. 52 seat chair #3087 (Budd, Lot #977, 1937) to NJT 82 seat commuter coach #3087 (1969) to Verde Canyon Railroad and named Laramie (1989). The VCRR renumbered this chair--does anyone know the current number??

See here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/totentanz ... otostream/ (Luca Terracciano photo)

2. Looking at photos online, it appears Verde Canyon owns four other Budd or P-S stainless cars which would appear to be of Santa Fe heritage. I have identified one other car, listed in the lounge cars section below, but the other three remain a mystery, due to VCRR renumbering cars, and their website (even an archived version) wasn't helpful. Does anyone have info on the cars owned by VCRR?? Thanks in advance.


To the best of my recollection, the VCRR uses names in lieu of numbers on their rolling stock, since for all functional purposes the operation is insular and the rolling stock largely customized for their own use. I can't even guarantee that they don't switch names around like the RBBX circus reassigns numbers and assignments. They're not a preservation outfit; all their equipment is pretty much considered expendable and utilitarian. (Which is part of why I was surprised they didn't grab the gutted Santa Fe coach body in quite-nearby Prescott when it became "available" several years ago--see another thread.)

That said, my recollection (based on speculation, and possibly quite false) was that the "Laramie" and the other car seen on that siding in that photo both arrived from the Wyoming & Colorado along with the former Alaska RR FP7's, 1512 and 1510, purchased from MDT. I seem to remember both cars having stickers (visible next to the vestibules in the picture) with remains of the Wyoming & Colorado logo. I remember from a visit a while back that both cars were shoved off on that or another siding in "storage," that both were fairly complete and intact inside (unlike much of the VCRR fleet, which have been "tubed" and refitted with plush furniture and whatnot), albeit showing their decades of neglect.


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"#503 Plaza Santa Fe to Amtrak #9353. Retired and sold in 1981 to Standard Industries, then (when??) to Jim Stephenson, then (when??) to Wayne Yetter-California Rail Tours #800392 (Plaza Santa Fe applied and leased to Branson Scenic [when??]). Sold (when??) to Wade Pellizzer-Virginia City Rail Corporation."

A correction - The 503 is still owned by California Railtours - which has owned it since 1986. Rode it in February and March between Oakland and Reno on the Reno Fun Train. In great shape all around.

The car has accompanied the Virginia City now and then on trips.

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Thanks, ADM IV, for the info on the VCRR cars!

Thanks, Pullman, for the info on #503 Plaza Santa Fe!

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Following information applies to three ATSF lightweights; diner 1482, lunch-counter diner 1552, baggage 3419 and one MILW shell of FP7 103C. Source is Wayne Kerslake, son of J. W. Kerslake, who passed away 1970.
1970 - Moved on own wheels to Tea, SD, for use at Bucksnort Jct, a railroad theme restaurant.
1979 - Moved on own wheels to Madison, SD for use as display at Prairie Village.
c. 1981 - Sold by Wayne Kerslake to 1880 Town, 22 mi. west of Murdo, SD and located at exit 170 on I-90.

Lunch counter diner 1552 is in active stationary food service. Interior photo featured on 1880 Town website, see Diners.

Cars are coupled to the gutted shell of 103C (only piece lettered for South Dakota Central) on isolated track.

1474 Cochita was part of the Bucksnort Jct. display, but sold to the railroad museum prior to the removal to Madison, SD


Alex Huff, who once worked on the 1554 while it was on the Cadillac & Lake City and saw the 1555 on a New Orleans industrial spur c. 1972-73, adjacent to the TP-MPTofNO Race Street yard, where I sometimes worked. Ordered a soft drink in the 1552 at its current location.


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I noticed a considerable number of cars sold to W. Silver & Co. in Texas, including Blue Gem, which I rode in 1951. Was W. Silver a scrap dealer?

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Thanks, Alex, for the info on the cars sold to J.W. Kerslake!

Here's two pictures of the equipment now at 1880 Town:

MILW #103C: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/59924426.jpg (Leif Bentzen photo) (click once to enlarge)

AT&SF cars: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/59904091.jpg (Leif Bentzen photo) (click once to enlarge). #1552 is closest to the photographer, then #1482, and then #3419.

Bob Davis wrote:
I noticed a considerable number of cars sold to W. Silver & Co. in Texas, including Blue Gem, which I rode in 1951. Was W. Silver a scrap dealer?


Bob--

That would appear to be the case: of the 63 cars sold to W. Silver & Co. between 1965 and 1970, I do not have a single one listed as extant.

Cars sold to W. Silver & Co. by type/name series:

2 club lounges, 8 diners, 6 lunch counters, 1 chair, 10 Blue sleepers, 1 Indian sleeper, 1 Pine sleeper, 5 Regal sleepers, 21 Valley sleepers, 1 Vista sleeper obs, six 2-2-8 sleepers, and sleeper obs Puye.

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Here's some off the top of my head without consulting notes - hope it helps!
In bold and light blue for easy reference.

Eight cars, Budd, Lot #96915, 1942, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in May 1941 and delivered between June and July 1942.

#1491, seating later (when??) increased to 46, to Amtrak #8036, seating increased to 48. Retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska RR #4836. Sold in 1989 to DRCX, later (when??) to ITAX. Traded to Sunview Rail, then traded again 09/2006 to private owner CBRX #1491 (Charles City, IA).



#1494 to Amtrak #8039. Retired and sold in 1981 to unknown party, later (when??) to Broadway Dinner Train. Car last seen on Great Lakes Central - Owosso, MI in 2007 - I recall that Ray Kammer owned this car

#1495, seating later (when??) increased to 46, to Amtrak #8040, seating increased to 48. Retired and sold in 1981 to Tifton Terminal Railway and named The Royal Palm (Tifton, GA), car was still at Tifton Terminal in fall 2011


#1498 to Amtrak #8043. Retired and sold in 1981 to DRCX, later (when??) to ITAX, then to Gateway, Scrapped in 7-2011

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Sixteen cars, Budd, Lot #9627-013, 1948, 14 seat lunch counter 20 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1945 and delivered between January and March 1948. Dining seats later (when??) increased to 24.

#1550 sold in 1969 to Kilgore (Houston), later (when??) to ITAX, [b]later DLW Car - sold to Museum of American Railroad in 09-2005. On site at Frisco, TX.[/b]


#1554 sold in 1969 to Cadillac & Lake City and named Emerald Lake. Sold in 1972 to Algoma Central #504. Damaged by fire in 1998 and stored, later to PAX Rail (Pine Ring and Sunlight Dome). Sold 09-2005 to Museum of the American RR.

#1555 sold in 1969 to Roger McRee (New Orleans). Current status unknown.

#1556 to Amtrak #8101 to HEP lounge #3107 (1980). Wrecked in 11-1988 on #88 and stored. Sold in 1995 to AOE-Montana Rockies Rail Tours as parts source. Moved 10-2005 to ITAX, stored by current owner

#1557 to Amtrak #8102 to HEP lounge #3111 (1981). Reassigned in 1996 to Adirondack and named L'Auberge Laurentian. Stored in 2001. Sold early 2003 to Tacoma Rail.??


Two cars, Budd, Lot #96907, 1941, 48 seat club lounge news stand nurse's room:
Ordered in November 1940 and delivered between April and May 1941.

#1389 sold in 1968 to Champlin Realty-Maple Street Station Restaurant, later (when??) to private ownership - Transisco Tours dance car, was part of the Pacific Starlight Dinner Train consist, then to M. Clark, LA area - car stored at Topeka, KS and Fullerton, CA - sold 08-2009 to T. Hoback - INRD 1389 - 800187, currently Amtrak certified. Bulkhead murals still intact - one sharp car


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I remember seeing and going through #905 Indian Flute when it was parked with a bunch of other ex Amtrak equipment on the Brandywine Valley Railroad. It was parked by the Brandywine River Museum. That line of cars eventually went to Lukens Steel in Coatesville Pa and scrapped. I remember it because it was in the worst shape out of all the cars, gutted and every piece of glass broken out of it.


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Thanks, baldwin, for the info on Indian Flute!

Thanks, MRLX, for all the info!

Regarding #1498:

I think wires got crossed with the #1497. In my notes I have:

#1497 to Amtrak #8042 to Alaska RR #4842 to Denver Railcar #4842 (#800335) to ITAX to Gateway and scrapped 7-2011

#1498 to Amtrak #8043 to unknown to ITAX sold in 2006 to private owner in Iowa

Thanks for the clarification with #1389! I had noted WCRC/BC Rail #157 as the #1398, not the #1389! The following info comes from Stan Garner's #800xxx-series PV list:

Transcisco Tours initially named the #1389 Club High Sierra, but later renamed #1389 to Summit Lounge and Club High Sierra was instead applied to SP gallery coach #3703 which had been rebuilt to a club lounge-dance floor (#800532). The SP #3703 Club High Sierra (2nd) is now BNSF #40 Fox River.

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Three cars, AC&F, Lot #04-4816, 1957, 60' RPO:

Ordered in February 1956 and delivered between July and August 1957.

#50 (1st) sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

#51 (1st) sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

#52 (1st) sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #96901, 1940, 60' RPO:

Ordered in July 1939 and delivered in January 1940.

#80 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries (Vinton, TX).

#81 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Seven cars, AC&F, Lot #2854, 1947, 60' RPO:

Ordered in June 1945 and delivered in April 1947.

#82 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#83 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#84 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#85 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#86 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#87 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#88 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Ten cars, Budd, Lot #9607-135, 1954, 60' RPO:

Ordered in September 1952 and delivered between January and February 1954.

#89 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#90 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#91 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#92 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#93 scrapped in 1968.

#94 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#95 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#96 sold in 1968 to Mantisa Equipment Corp. and converted to welding car. Current status unknown.

#97 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#98 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

Twelve cars, Budd, Lot #9607-340, 1964, 60' RPO:

Ordered in November 1962 and delivered between May and June 1964. Leased to NYNH&H in 1968. Did Santa Fe lease any other groups of RPOs to NH, or just these twelve??

#99 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#100 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#101 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#102 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#103 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#104 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#105 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#106 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#107 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#108 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#109 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

#110 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional de Carros. Current status unknown.

Baggage-RPOs:

One car, Budd, Lot #967, 1937, baggage-30' RPO:

Ordered in April 1936 for Super Chief and delivered in April 1937.

#3400 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #993, 1938, baggage-30' RPO:

Ordered in August 1937 and delivered in April 1938.

#3401 sold in 1968 to Gulf Coast Chapter NRHS-Houston RR Museum.

#3402 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

One car, Budd, Lot #96903, 1941, baggage-30' RPO:

Ordered in November 1940 and delivered in May 1941.

#3403 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Five cars, Budd, Lot #9611-001 (#96911), 1945, baggage-30' RPO:

Ordered in April 1941 and delivered between October and November 1945.

#3404 sold in 1968 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3405 sold in 1968 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3406 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3407 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3408 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Four cars, AC&F, Lot #3368, 1951, baggage-30' RPO:

Ordered in February 1948 and delivered in June 1951.

#3600 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

#3601. No disposition information. Current status unknown.

#3602 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

#3603 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

Three cars, AC&F, Lot #04-4815, 1957, baggage-30' RPO:

Ordered in February 1956 and delivered in July 1957.

#3604 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

#3605 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

#3606 sold in 1968 to Constructora Nacional Decarros de Ferrocarril S.A. (Commiguel Laurent, MEX). Current status unknown.

Baggage-Chairs & Baggage-Dormitories:

Three cars, P-S, Lot #6734, Plan #7506, 1947, baggage-24 bunk dormitory:

Ordered in August 1944 for El Capitan and delivered between August and September 1947. Modified in 1956 with Hi-Level adapters.

#3477 to Amtrak #9990. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#3478 to Amtrak #9991. Stored in 1978. Current status unknown.

#3479 to Amtrak #9992. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

Two cars, Budd, Lot #990, 1938, 32 seat chair news stand baggage dormitory:

Ordered in August 1937 and delivered in February 1938. Reconfigured in 1941 to baggage dormitory. Modified in 1956 with Hi-Level adapters for El Capitan.

#3480 to Amtrak #9993. Stored in 1981 and sold in 1985 to John Brigham, later (when??) to Cotton Belt RHS-Arkansas RR Museum.

#3481 to Amtrak #9994. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

One car, P-S, Lot #6602, Plan #7429, 1940, 32 seat chair news stand baggage 6 bunk dormitory:

Ordered in July 1939 for El Capitan and delivered in March 1940. Reconfigured in 1950 to baggage dormitory. Modified in 1956 with Hi-Level adapter.

#3482 to Amtrak #9995. Retired and sold in 1981 to Hagerstown Roundhouse Museum, later (when??) to Mad River & Nickel Plate Hist. Soc. (Bellevue, OH). Sold (when??) to private owner in Logansport, OH, and later scrapped (when??).

Two cars, Budd, Lot #997, 1938, 36 seat chair news stand baggage:

Ordered in September 1937 and delivered in March 1938.

#3490 donated in 1968 to Osage County Historical Museum (Pawhuska, OK).

#3491 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Two cars, P-S, Lot #6603, Plan #7430, 1940, 38 seat chair baggage:

Ordered in July 1939 for Kansas Cityan-Chicagoan and delivered in March 1940. Reconfigured in 1945 to 28 seat chair baggage dormitory.

#3492 sold in 1967 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3493 donated in 1968 to Emmett Kelley Museum (Sedan, KS). Current status unknown.

Sources:

1. Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society passenger car roster pages: http://www.atsfrr.com/links/atsf/passenger.htm

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

4. "Streamliner Cars Volume Three: ACF - Other Builders" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1982)

5. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

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Eighteen cars, AC&F, Lot #2855, 1947, baggage-express:

Ordered in June 1945 and delivered between April and May 1947.

#3409 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries (Vinton, TX).

#3410 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3411 sold in 1968 to Royal American Shows and converted to power car #101. Current status unknown.

#3412 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3413 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3414 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3415 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3416 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3417 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3418 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3419 sold in 1968 to J.W. Kerslake-Bucksnort Junction Restaurant (Tea, SD). Moved in 1979 by Wayne Kerslake to Prairie Village (Madison, SD). Sold in 1981 to 1880 Town (Midland, SD).

#3420 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3421 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3422 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3423 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3424 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3425 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3426 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

One car, Budd, Lot #967, 1937, baggage-messenger:

Ordered in April 1936 for Super Chief and delivered in April 1937.

#3430 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

One car, Budd, Lot #96904, 1941, baggage-messenger:

Ordered in November 1940 and delivered in June 1941.

#3431 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Fourteen cars, Budd, Lot #96912, 1942, baggage-express:

Ordered in April 1941 and delivered between March and May 1942.

#3432 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3433 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3434 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3435 wrecked in 1947.

#3436 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3437 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3438 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3439 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3440 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3441 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3442 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3443 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3444 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3445 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

Seven cars, Budd, Lot #96916, 1942, baggage-express:

Ordered in May 1941 and delivered between January and February 1942.

#3446 sold in 1970 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3447 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3448 equipped (when??) as baggage-messenger sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3449 sold in 1970 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3450 sold in 1969 to Royal American Shows #104. Current status unknown.

#3451 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

#3452 sold in 1969 to NdeM. Current status unknown.

Fourteen cars, AC&F, Lot #3367, 1950, baggage-express:

Ordered in February 1948 and delivered between October and December 1950.

#3453 sold in 1968 to Mexico (NdeM?). Current status unknown.

#3454 to Amtrak #1171 (1974) to HEP #1262 (1978). Retired and sold in 2003 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3455 to Amtrak #1172 (1974) to HEP #1271 (1978). Wrecked in 10-1987 and listed as retired in 1989. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3456 sold in 1968 to Royal American Shows #102. Current status unknown.

#3457 sold in 1968 to Ice Capades #110. Current status unknown.

#3458 sold in 1968 to Royal American Shows #103. Current status unknown.

#3459 sold in 1968 to Ice Capades #109. Current status unknown.

#3460 to Amtrak #1173 (1974) to HEP #1259 (1978). Wrecked in 10-1979.

#3461 sold in 1968 to Ice Capades #108. Current status unknown.

#3462 sold in 1968 to Ice Capades #105. Current status unknown.

#3463 sold in 1968 to Ice Capades #107. Current status unknown.

#3464 sold in 1968 to Ice Capades #111. Current status unknown.

#3465 to MofW #205998 (1968). Current status unknown.

#3466 sold in 1968 to Ice Capades #106. Sold (when??) to Purdy Company, then to Rod Basidh, later (when??) to Artrain #4. Current status unknown.

40 cars, Budd, Lot #9601-135, 1953, baggage-express-messenger:

Ordered in September 1952 and delivered between June and December 1953.

#3500 to Amtrak #1020 to HEP #1241 (1977). Active.

#3501 to Amtrak #1021 to HEP #1216 (1978). Active.

#3502 to Amtrak #1022 to HEP #1247 (1977). Active.

#3503 sold in 1971 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3504 to Amtrak #1023 to HEP #1206 (1978). Active.

#3505 to Amtrak #1024 to HEP #1248 (1977). Active.

#3506 to Amtrak #1025 to HEP #1244 (1977). Stored in 2003. Current status unknown.

#3507 sold in 1971 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3508 wrecked in 1960.

#3509 to Amtrak #1026 to HEP #1212 (1978). Active.

#3510 to Amtrak #1027. Retired in 1977. Current status unknown.

#3511 to Amtrak #1028 to HEP #1209 (1978) modified in 2001 as #1857 for Twilight Shoreliner. Active.

#3512 to Amtrak #1029 to HEP #1219 (1978) modified in 2001 as #1856 for Twilight Shoreliner. Stored in 2005, reactivated in 2011 as #10095 and assigned to Amtrak exhibit train. Active.

#3513 sold in 1971 to Metal Processing Industries.

#3514 to Amtrak #1030 to HEP #1235 (1978). Active.

#3515 to Amtrak #1031 to HEP #1218 (1978) to MofW wheel car #10404 (2005). Active.

#3516 to Amtrak #1032 to HEP #1226 (1978). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

#3517 to Amtrak #1033 to HEP #1238 (1977). Wrecked on 3-15-1984 on Empire Builder at Bainville, MT.

#3518 to Amtrak #1034 to HEP #1237 (1977). Active.

#3519 to Amtrak #1035 to HEP #1169 (1980). Wrecked in 7-1987 and listed as retired in 1989. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3520 to Amtrak #1036 to HEP #1246 (1977). Stored in 2005. Current status unknown.

#3521 to Amtrak #1037 to HEP #1208 (1978). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

#3522 to Amtrak #1038 to HEP #1215 (1978). Stored in 2003. Current status unknown.

#3523 to Amtrak #1039 to HEP #1242 (1977). Active.

#3524 to Amtrak #1040 to HEP #1217 (1978). Wrecked in 12-1990 at Back Bay, Boston, and listed as retired in 1991. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3525 to Amtrak #1041 to HEP #1203 (1978). Active.

#3526 to Amtrak #1042 to HEP #1221 (1978). Active.

#3527 to Amtrak #1043 to HEP #1243 (1977). Wrecked on 10-9-1986 on #8 Empire Builder at Fall River, WI. Listed as retired in 1987. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3528 to Amtrak #1044 to HEP #1211 (1978). Active.

#3529 no disposition information. Current status unknown.

#3530 no disposition information. Current status unknown.

#3531 to Amtrak #1045 to HEP #1225 (1978) modified in 2001 as #1855 for Twilight Shoreliner. Active.

#3532 to Amtrak #1046 to HEP #1205 (1978). Wrecked in 5-1984 and subsequently stored. Listed as retired in 1992. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3533 to Amtrak #1047 to HEP #1245 (1977). Active.

#3534 to Amtrak #1048 to HEP #1204 (1978). Active.

#3535 to Amtrak #1049 to HEP #1222 (1978). Stored in 2007, reactivated in 2011 as #10093 and assigned to Amtrak exhibit train. Active.

#3536 to Amtrak #1050 to HEP #1234 (1978). Active.

#3537 to Amtrak #1051 to HEP #1214 (1978). Wrecked on 7-7-1985 on Empire Builder at Almira, WA. Listed as retired in 1989. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3538 to Amtrak #1052 to HEP #1210 (1978). Stored in 2000. Current status unknown.

#3539 to Amtrak #1053 to HEP #1233 (1978). Wrecked on 7-6-1984 on #60 Montrealer at Williston, VT.

Fifteen cars, Budd, Lot #9601-209, 1957, baggage-express:

Ordered in February 1957 and delivered between September and October 1957.

#3540 to Amtrak #1054 to HEP #1223 (1978). Stored in 2004. Current status unknown.

#3541 to Amtrak #1055 to HEP #1230 (1978). Active.

#3542 to Amtrak #1056 to HEP #1231 (1978). Active.

#3543 to Amtrak #1057 to HEP #1239 (1977). Stored in 2000. Current status unknown.

#3544 to Amtrak #1058 to HEP #1227 (1978). Wrecked in 4-1985 on #6 California Zephyr in Fraser Canyon, CO.

#3545 to Amtrak #1059 to HEP #1236 (1978). Stored in 2003. Current status unknown.

#3546 to Amtrak #1060 to HEP #1232 (1978). Active.

#3547 to Amtrak #1061 to HEP #1228 (1978). Stored in 2004, reactivated in 2011 as #10094 and assigned to Amtrak exhibit train. Active.

#3548 to Amtrak #1062 to HEP #1213 (1978). Stored in 2007. Current status unknown.

#3549 to Amtrak #1063 to HEP #1220 (1978). Wrecked in 6-1982 on #5 San Francisco Zephyr at Emerson, IA.

#3550 to Amtrak #1064 to HEP #1249 (1977). Active.

#3551 to Amtrak #1065 to HEP #1240 (1977). Retired and sold in 1993 to Denver Railcar and rebuilt to power car as DRCX #1240 and named Silver Mist. Sold in 2004 to Inland Lakes RY-Florida Rail Adventures as ILRV #1240 Silver Mist (Mount Dora, FL). Sold in 2011 with other ILRV cars to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande and assigned to Saratoga & North Creek as SLRG #1240 Silver Mist.

#3552 to Amtrak #1066 to HEP #1207 (1978). Wrecked on 10-2-1979 on #4 Southwest Limited at Lawrence, KS, and subsequently stored. Sold in 1985 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3553 to Amtrak #1067 to HEP #1229 (1978). Stored in 2004 and later (when??) sold to 636 Leasing as SIXX #3553 and stored on Morristown & Erie at Cedar Knolls, NJ.

#3554 to Amtrak #1068 to HEP #1224 (1978). Retired and sold in 1994 to Monad Railway Equipment. Current status unknown.

Ten cars, Budd, Lot #9605-135, 1953, baggage-express-messenger:

Ordered in September 1952 and delivered between November and December 1953.

#3650 to Amtrak #1100 to HEP #1159 (1980). Active.

#3651 to Amtrak #1101 to HEP #1164 (1980). Active.

#3652 to Amtrak #1102 to HEP #1165 (1980). Retired in 2004. Current status unknown.

#3653 to Amtrak #1103 to HEP #1160 (1980). Active.

#3654 to Amtrak #1104 to HEP #1163 (1980). Active.

#3655 to Amtrak #1105 to HEP #1166 (1980). Wrecked on 3-15-1999 on #59 City of New Orleans at Bourbonnaise, IL, and subsequently stored. Sold in 2003 to unknown party. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3656 to Amtrak #1106 to HEP #1161 (1980). Active.

#3657 to Amtrak #1107 to HEP #1168 (1980). Wrecked in 11-1993.

#3658 to Amtrak #1108 to HEP #1173 (1981). Wrecked on 12-20-1998 on #21 Texas Eagle at Arlington, TX, and subsequently stored. Sold in 2003 to Algoma Central #312.

#3659 to Amtrak #1109 to HEP #1162 (1980). Active.

25 cars, AC&F, Lot #04-4269, 1955, baggage-express-messenger:

Ordered in November 1953 and delivered between January and April 1955.

#3660 to Amtrak #1150 to HEP #1250 (1977). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

#3661 wrecked in 1960.

#3662 to Amtrak #1151 to HEP #1257 (1978). Wrecked on 6-24-2011 on #5 California Zephyr at Ocala, NV, and subsequently stored. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3663 to Amtrak #1152 to HEP #1253 (1977). Stored in 2009. Current status unknown.

#3664 to Amtrak #1153 to HEP #1255 (1977). Active.

#3665 to MofW #205999 (1971). Current status unknown.

#3666 to Amtrak #1154 to HEP #1268 (1978). Stored in 2004. Current status unknown.

#3667 to Amtrak #1155 to HEP #1260 (1978). Active.

#3668 to Amtrak #1156 to #1036. Retired in 1985. Current status unknown.

#3669 to Amtrak #1157 to HEP #1261 (1978). Stored in 2004. Current status unknown.

#3670 to Amtrak #1158 to HEP #1258 (1978). Stored in 2002. Current status unknown.

#3671 to Amtrak #1159 to HEP #1265 (1978). Stored in 2005. Current status unknown.

#3672 to Amtrak #1160 to HEP #1254 (1977). Retired and sold in 2003 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#3673 to Amtrak #1161 to HEP #1269 (1978). Stored in 2005. Current status unknown.

#3674 to Amtrak #1162 to HEP #1251 (1977). Stored in 2007. Current status unknown.

#3675 to Amtrak #1163 to HEP #1272 (1978). Stored in 2003. Current status unknown.

#3676 to Amtrak #1164 to HEP #1264 (1978). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

#3677 to Amtrak #1165 to HEP #1266 (1978). Wrecked in 1-1992. Listed as retired in 1993. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3678 scrapped in 1970.

#3679 to Amtrak #1166 to HEP #1252 (1977). Active.

#3680 to Amtrak #1167 to HEP #1256 (1978). Wrecked in 11-1999 at Cumberland, MD, and subsequently stored. Sold in 2003 to Mid America and named Taos (#800863).

#3681 to Amtrak #1168 to HEP #1267 (1978). Stored in 2003. Current status unknown.

#3682 to Amtrak #1169 to HEP #1270 (1978). Wrecked in 1-1997 on #98 Silver Meteor at Jacksonville, FL. Listed as retired in 1999. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3683 to Amtrak #1170 to HEP #1263 (1978). Wrecked on 10-2-1979 on #4 Southwest Limited at Lawrence, KS. Listed as retired in 1980. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#3684 wrecked in 1964.

Question:

Regarding the eleven baggage cars sold in 1968-69 to Ice Capades and Royal American Shows. Did RAS own Ice Capades, as I noticed a pattern: the four cars sold to RAS were renumbered #101-#104, and the seven cars sold to ICAP were renumbered #105-#111.

Sources:

1. Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society passenger car roster pages: http://www.atsfrr.com/links/atsf/passenger.htm

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. "Streamliner Cars Volume Three: ACF - Other Builders" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1982)

4. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

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Baggage Cars, Continued:

50 cars, P-S, Lot #6976, Plan #7652, 1956, baggage:

Ordered in May 1955 and delivered as shells between April and May 1956. Completed by AT&SF at the Topeka Shops between April and November 1956.

#3700 to MofW #203147 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3701 to MofW #203132 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3702 to MofW #203189 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3703 to MofW #203142 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3704 to MofW #203107 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3705 to MofW #203102 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3706 to MofW #203146 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3707 converted in 1962 to steam generator #9005, renumbered in 1970 to #130. Current status unknown.

#3708 to MofW #203138 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3709 to MofW #203159 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3710 to MofW #203193 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3711 to MofW #203165 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3712 to MofW #203121 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3713 to MofW #203172 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3714 to MofW #203144 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3715 to MofW #203186 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3716 to MofW #203175 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3717 to MofW #203110 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3718 to MofW #203136 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3719 to MofW #203170 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3720 to MofW #203130 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3721 to MofW #203133 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3722 to MofW #203135 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3723 to MofW #203122 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3724 to MofW #203145 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3725 to MofW #203158 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3726 to MofW #203141 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3727 to MofW #203143 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3728 to MofW #203105 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3729 to MofW #203104 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3730 to MofW #203177 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3731 to MofW #203108 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3732 to MofW #203126 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3733 to MofW #203106 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3734 to MofW #203150 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3735 to MofW #203131 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3736 to MofW #203129 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3737 to MofW #203176 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3738 to MofW #203137 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3739 to MofW #203180 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3740 to MofW #203123 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3741 to MofW #203167 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3742 to MofW #203154 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3743 to MofW #203171 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3744 to MofW #203161 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3745 to MofW #203139 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3746 to MofW #203127 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3747 to MofW #203190 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3748 to MofW #203166 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3749 to MofW #203125 (1969). Current status unknown.

50 cars, P-S, Lot #W6989*, Plan #W52834*, 1958, baggage:

Ordered in November 1956 and delivered as shells between February and March 1958. Completed by AT&SF at the Topeka Shops between February and September 1958.

*The "W" designation refers that these cars were manufactured at the Osgood-Bradley plant in Worcester, MA.

#3750 to MofW #203103 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3751 to MofW #203116 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3752 to MofW #203100 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3753 to MofW #203151 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3754 wrecked in 1964.

#3755 to MofW #203155 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3756 to MofW #203164 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3757 to MofW #203109 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3758 to MofW #203159 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3759 to MofW #203173 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3760 to MofW #203140 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3761 wrecked in 1964.

#3762 to MofW #203163 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3763 to MofW #203117 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3764 to MofW #203194 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3765 to MofW #203181 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3766 to MofW #203192 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3767 to MofW #203120 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3768 to MofW #203134 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3769 to MofW #203118 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3770 to MofW #203179 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3771 wrecked in 1963.

#3772 to MofW #203178 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3773 to MofW #203191 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3774 to MofW #203152 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3775 to MofW #203115 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3776 to MofW #203128 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3777 to MofW #203111 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3778 to MofW #203185 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3779 to MofW #203187 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3780 to MofW #203168 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3781 to MofW #203184 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3782 to MofW #203119 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3783 to MofW #203188 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3784 to MofW #203124 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3785 to MofW #203183 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3786 to MofW #203160 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3787 to MofW #203113 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3788 to MofW #203156 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3789 to MofW #203148 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3790 to MofW #203174 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3791 to MofW #203153 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3792 to MofW #203157 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3793 to MofW #203182 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3794 to MofW #203169 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3795 to MofW #203149 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3796 to MofW #203114 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3797 to MofW #203112 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3798 to MofW #203101 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3799 to MofW #203167 (1969). Current status unknown.

50 cars, P-S, Lots #7004 & #7007, Plan #W53316, 1960, baggage:

Ordered in June 1959 (Lot #7004, 25 cars) and January 1960 (Lot #7007, 25 cars). Delivered as shells and completed by AT&SF at the Topeka Shops between August and December 1960. #3990-#3999 equipped with end doors.

#3800 to MofW #203528 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3801 to MofW #190349 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3802 to MofW #203529 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3803 to MofW #203513 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3804 to MofW #203901 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3805 to MofW #203515 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3806 to MofW #203556 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3807 to MofW #203555 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3808 to MofW #203906 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3809 to MofW #203502 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3810 to MofW #203534 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3811 to MofW #203527 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3812 to MofW #203544 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3813 to MofW #203500 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3814 to MofW #203903 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3815 to MofW #203557 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3816 to MofW #203904 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3817 to MofW #203507 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3818 to MofW #203541 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3819 to MofW #190350 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3820 to MofW #203509 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3821 to MofW #203530 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3822 to MofW #203543 (1969). Sold (when??) to R. Dringenburg and located at Midland RY Historical Association (Baldwin City, KS).

#3823 to MofW #198668 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3824 to MofW #203552 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3825 to MofW #203559 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3826 to MofW #203532 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3827 to MofW #203503 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3828 to MofW #203517 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3829 to MofW #203526 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3830 to MofW #203521 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3831 to MofW #203558 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3832 to MofW #203516 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3833 to MofW #203562 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3834 to MofW #203514 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3835 to MofW #203510 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3836 to MofW #203545 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3837 to MofW #203560 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3838 to MofW #203902 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3839 to MofW #203565 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3990 to Amtrak #1090 to MofW #17067 (when??). Current status unknown.

#3991 wrecked in 1969.

#3992 to Amtrak #1091 to MofW #17068 (when??). Current status unknown.

#3993 to Amtrak #1092 to MofW #unknown (when??). Current status unknown.

#3994 to Amtrak #1093 to MofW #17069 (when??). Current status unknown.

#3995 to Amtrak #1094 to MofW #17070 (when??). Current status unknown.

#3996 to Amtrak #1095 to MofW #17071 (when??). Current status unknown.

#3997 to Amtrak #1096 to MofW #17072 (when??). Current status unknown.

#3998 to Amtrak #1097 to MofW #17073 (when??). Current status unknown.

#3999 to Amtrak #1098. Retired and sold in 1983 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

25 cars, P-S, Lot #7010, Plan #53316, 1963, baggage:

Ordered in March 1961 and delivered as shells between October and November 1961. Completed by AT&SF at the Topeka Shops in 1963.

#3840 to MofW #198956 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3841 to MofW #203549 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3842 wrecked in 1964.

#3843 to MofW #203538 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3844 to MofW #203523 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3845 to MofW #203533 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3846 wrecked in 1963.

#3847 to MofW #203519 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3848 to MofW #190556 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3849 to MofW #203553 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3850 to MofW #203547 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3851 to MofW #203535 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3852 to MofW #203501 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3853 to MofW #203525 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3854 to MofW #203554 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3855 to MofW #203551 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3856 to MofW #203558 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3857 to MofW #203548 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3858 to MofW #203531 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3859 to MofW #203524 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3860 to MofW #203537 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3861 to MofW #203568 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3862 to MofW #203508 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3863 to MofW #203546 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3864 to MofW #203907 (1969). Current status unknown.

25 cars, P-S, Lot #7012, Plan #53316, 1962, baggage:

Ordered in December 1961 and delivered as sheels between September and December 1962, completed by AT&SF at the Topeka Shops.

#3865 to MofW #203567 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3866 to MofW #203539 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3867 to MofW #203570 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3868 to MofW #203579 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3869 to MofW #203900 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3870 to MofW #203580 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3871 to MofW #203536 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3872 to MofW #203520 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3873 to MofW #203578 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3874 to MofW #203506 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3875 to MofW #203512 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3876 to MofW #190557 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3877 to MofW #203571 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3878 to MofW #203504 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3879 to MofW #203511 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3880 to MofW #203574 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3881 to MofW #203542 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3882 to MofW #203505 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3883 to MofW #203573 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3884 to MofW #190445 (1969). Sold (when??) to Fillmore & Western.

#3885 to MofW #203540 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3886 to MofW #203569 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3887 to MofW #203905 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3888 to MofW #203518 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3889 to MofW #203552 (1969). Current status unknown.

25 cars, P-S, Lot #7022, Plan #53316, 1963, baggage:

Ordered in 1962 and delivered as shells between May and July of that year. Completed by AT&SF at the Topeka Shops between September and November 1963.

#3890 to MofW #203566 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3891 to MofW #203576 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3892 to MofW #203572 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3893 to MofW #203577 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3894 to MofW #203584 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3895 to MofW #203561 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3896 to MofW #203583 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3897 to MofW #203563 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3898 to MofW #203564 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3899 to MofW #203575 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3900 to MofW #205877 (1978). Current status unknown.

#3901 to MofW #206997 (1978). Current status unknown.

#3902 to MofW #203591 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3903 to MofW #203588 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3904 to MofW #203589 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3905 to MofW #193902 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3906 retained (1971) renumbered in 1976 to #75. Current status unknown.

#3907 to MofW #203581 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3908 no disposition information. Current status unknown.

#3909 wrecked in 1964.

#3910 to MofW #193907 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3911 no disposition information. Current status unknown.

#3912 wrecked in 1968.

#3913 to MofW #203593 (1969). Current status unknown.

#3914 retained (1971) renumbered in 1976 to #77 to BNSF #77 later (when??) renumbered to #52 and named Glorieta Pass (#800665).

25 cars, P-S, Lot #7027, Plan #53447, 1966, baggage:

Ordered in December 1963 and delivered as shells in December 1965. Completed by AT&SF at the Topeka Shops between 1965 and 1966.

#3915 to MofW #193906 (1974). Current status unknown.

#3916 converted in 1970 to steam generator #134. Current status unknown.

#3917 to MofW #193904 (1974). Current status unknown.

#3918 converted in 1970 to steam generator #139. Sold (when??) to Dodge City, Ford & Bucklin (Dodge City, KS).

#3919 to MofW #203592 (1971). Current status unknown.

#3920 converted in 1970 to steam generator #132. Current status unknown.

#3921 to MofW #203585 (1970). Current status unknown.

#3922 converted in 1970 to steam generator #133, painted for Bicentennial in 1972. Converted in 1982 to weed sprayer #199207. Converted in 1990 to geometry support car #86 to BNSF #86.

#3923 stored in 1971. Current status unknown.

#3924 to MofW #198965 (1971). Current status unknown.

#3925 to MofW #203586 (1970). Current status unknown.

#3926 converted in 1970 to steam generator #138 (1st). Sold in 1971 to Auto Train #138, renumbered in 1977 to #1138. Current status unknown.

#3927 converted in 1970 to steam generator #131. Current status unknown.

#3928 to MofW #198966 (1971). Current status unknown.

#3929 to MofW #190349 (1971). Current status unknown.

#3930 to MofW #203587 (1970). Current status unknown.

#3931 converted in 1970 to steam generator #140, renumbered in 1971 to #138 (2nd). Sold (when??) to Delaware Car Works (DLWX) and converted to power car for BN, to BN #A30. To BNSF #51 and named Snoqualmie Pass (#800381).

#3932 converted in 1970 to steam generator #137. Sold in 1971 to Auto Train #137, renumbered in 1977 to #1137. Sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego as NYS&W #500. Scrapped in 2004.

#3933 converted in 1970 to steam generator #136. Sold in 1971 to Auto Train #136, renumbered in 1977 to #1136. Current status unknown.

#3934 to MofW #203590 (1971). Current status unknown.

#3935 retained (1971) reconfigured in 1976 to safety instruction car #74. Sold (when??) to Jon Clark. Current status unknown.

#3936 converted in 1970 to steam generator #135. Current status unknown.

#3937 to MofW #203582 (1971). Current status unknown.

#3938 to MofW #205875 (1968). Current status unknown.

#3939 to Amtrak #1080 to MofW #17074 (when??). Current status unknown.

Steam Generators:

Of the eleven steam generators converted in 1962 and 1970, three were in turn converted in 1982 to weed sprayers #199206-#199208. The #199207 was converted again in 1990 to geometry support car #86, and the #199206 and #199208 were sold in 1991 to Habco, becoming HABX #206 and #208. I have not figured out which steam generators were converted to #199206 and #199208, nor do I have the current statuses of either car. Does anyone know which steam generators were converted to #199206 and #199208, and the current whereabouts of said cars??

Trainorders thread on AT&SF weed sprayers #199206-#199208: http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,2962752

Sources:

1. Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society passenger car roster pages: http://www.atsfrr.com/links/atsf/passenger.htm

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

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