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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:23 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:11 am 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
Vista Cavern sold in 1968 to David Wallace (San Antonio). Current status unknown.


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Vista Cavern was owned by the Michigan Star Clipper Dinner Train. They purchased the car from Les Kasten in the early 90's. It was listed with the rest of the equipment on Ozark Mountain when the operation ended.

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The Vista Cavern was scrapped in January 2013.

Thread with more info: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36969

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:19 pm 
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Coaches & Chairs:

45 cars, Budd, Lot #9613-135, 1953, 48 seat leg rest chairs:

#2826 to Amtrak #4819 to HEP #4725 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to ITAX to MRLX (when??) and named Mohave (#800651), reconfigured to 54 seat lounge-coach (when??).


This car is 1 of 2 Mid America cars moved to Lamy, NM, for use on the X-Train's new excursion operation over the Santa Fe Southern:

The Mohave name and Mid America paint has been removed and replaced by X-Train paint with "Club-X 1500" labels, the car still carries MRLX reporting marks. In Los Angeles with 2nd car before going to Lamy: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3919696 (Steven Vincent photo)

The other car is MRLX #800644 as "Club X-3500" (ex-Keystone Grill, exx-Henry Hudson, exxx-Branson Scenic City of Branson, exxxx-Amtrak #8703 Henry Hudson, exxxxx-#3320, exxxxxx-#3639, exxxxxxx-PC #7139, nee-PRR #7139, Budd, 1951, Lot #9628-110, Plan #9526, PRR Class PP85)

#800644 in Lamy with #800651: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3921833 (Jay Christopher Williams photo)

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

3. Mike Palmieri's Amtrak rosters

4. PRR passenger car diagrams: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=pass&sz=sm&fr=

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:35 pm 

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76. Lounge-barber shop-shower-dormitory #1343 (P-S, Lot #6849, Plan #7623, 1950) to Amtrak #3394 sold in 1982 to private ownership #800259 and named Red Rock, later (when??) to Austin Steam Train-Austin & Texas Central.

ATSF 1343 is no longer named "Red Rock". It carries only it's standard ATSF lettering. The barber shop is now the conductors office for the excursion train.
Photo was in 2009, but the car is still in weekly service in this appearance.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:45 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:24 pm 
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Twelve cars, P-S, Lot #W6845*, Plan #7620, 1950, 13 seat lunch counter 20 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1948 for El Capitan and delivered between June and August 1950. Dining seats in #1566-#1568 increased in 1954 to 24. #1569-#1577 reconfigured in 1954 to 13 seat lunch counter 8 seat diner dormitory.

The "W" refers that these cars were assembled at the Osgood-Bradley plant in Worcester, MA.

#1575 to Amtrak #8116. Retired and sold in 1977 to Fowler Packing Company. Current status unknown.


Thread from February 2002: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2718

The #1575/#8116 was part of the Wide Track Diner in Pontiac, MI, which later closed, and the car was offered by the city to the SRI in Owosso; I don't know if any other parties showed interest/presented an offer. Does anybody know what happened to the #1575? Scrapped or sold? Thanks in advance!

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:44 pm 

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"The "W" refers that these cars were assembled at the Osgood-Bradley plant in Worcester, MA.
#1575 to Amtrak #8116. Retired and sold in 1977 to Fowler Packing Company. Current status unknown."


These 1950 lunch counter diners are all pretty well accounted for, so I had to dust off my memory to remember some of the details of how the Fowler Packing (Fresno, CA area) car ended up in MI, of all places.

If I remember all this correctly (and I may not be) the car was purchased from Fowler Packing by an individual named Steve Baer, who had also purchased former Santa Fe biz car 33 around the same time. He put the 8116 into service in California as a privately owned lunch counter diner, back in the days when about all you had to do to run a PV on Amtrak was to "sort of" do a COT&S. I don't think Baer owned the car for more than a year or two when it was sold to Bill Wallace of Bananafish Tours for tour service in Mexico. But Wallace ended up selling it after using it very little or not at all. Not sure if he sold it directly to the outfit in Pontiac, or if it went thru a few more private owners before going to Pontiac. Some of the RYPN regulars may be able to fill in any blanks here.

I can't vouch for whether it was ultimately scrapped or not, but I seem to recall that no one stepped up to the plate to save the car and it died there on site in Pontiac.


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68. Club lounge-news stand-nurse #1347 (P-S, Lot #6734, Plan #7507, 1947) to Amtrak #3350 sold in 1980 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

Sold by Amtrak to Marvin Robertson. Car moved to stationary track at family farm in Lawrence, KS area. After Roberston death, car donated to former UP station group, Topeka, KS. Car moved by highway to UP station Topeka circa 2012.



69. Club lounge-news stand-nurse #1349 (P-S, Lot #6734, Plan #7507, 1947) to Amtrak #3351 sold in 1982 to GGRM.

The 3351 was sold by Amtrak to the Santa Maria Valley RR in Santa Maria, CA. It was gutted by fire by vandals after being stored near their shops for a few years. It was in this condition when acquired by the GGRM for parts.



71. Club lounge-barber shop-shower-dormitory #1391 (Budd, Lot #9629-001, 1946) to Amtrak #3382 sold in 1982 to private ownership #800223. Current status unknown.

The 3382 was sold by Amtrak to a John Threadgold (I may not have that name entirely correct) Houston, TX. Sold circa 1990 to John Anderson, Long Beach, CA. In process of conversion to private car interior configuration. Donated circa 2013 to AT&SF 3751 Steam Engine group, Los Angeles.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:26 pm 

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Twelve cars, P-S, Lot #W6845*, Plan #7620, 1950, 13 seat lunch counter 20 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1948 for El Capitan and delivered between June and August 1950. Dining seats in #1566-#1568 increased in 1954 to 24. #1569-#1577 reconfigured in 1954 to 13 seat lunch counter 8 seat diner dormitory.


#1566 sold in 1968 to Metal Processing Industries.

Not sure if Car 1566 was actually sold to Metals Processing, but car ended up as a restaurant in Santa Fe, NM. Restaurant closed and car sold circa 1995 to Peacock Cheese Co. Vernon, CA for new Italian restaurant venture know as "Il Treno". Car moved on own wheels to CA and parked on live spur alongside Peacock Cheese Co building. Restaurant closed circa 2011 and car offered for sale via Ozark Mountain Railcar.


#1569 to Amtrak #8110. Retired and sold in 1977 to Boquet Movie Ranch (Newhall, CA). Current status unknown.

Car 8110 is still at the Movie Ranch in the Newhall area.



#1570 to Amtrak #8111. Retired and sold in 1977 to Boquet Movie Ranch (Newhall, CA). Current status unknown.

Car 8111 is still at the Movie Ranch in the Newhall area.



#1573 to Amtrak #8114. Stored in 1977. Current status unknown.

Fire damage by "homeless" (back then we called them bums) while stored LA after retirement. Scrapped at Amtrak 8th St. coach yard LA circa 1982.


#1574 to Amtrak #8115. Stored in 1977. Current status unknown.

Car 8115 sold by Amtrak to J. Barne - "Chew Chew" (yes, that was the name) restaurant, Huntington Beach, CA. Closed and car sold circa 1993 to Pacific Rail Dismantling, Colton, CA. Moved by highway to Colton. Believed scrapped circa 2008.


#1577 to Amtrak #8118. Stored in 1977. Current status unknown.

Fire damage by bums while stored LA after retirement. Scrapped at Amtrak 8th St. coach yard LA circa 1982.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:31 pm 

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#3935 retained (1971) reconfigured in 1976 to safety instruction car #74. Sold (when??) to Jon Clark. Current status unknown.

Car 3935/74 was sold by AT&SF to Jon Clark in 1990. Car currently stored on LA Junction Railway in City of Commerce, CA.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:32 pm 
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26. 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1813 Regal Dome (AC&F, Lot #3358, Plan #9011, 1950) to Amtrak #2350 sold in 1982 to KCS. Current status unknown.

Regal Dome sold by KCS to Jon Clark circa 1990. Sold to AT&SF Railway 1991. To AT&SF Topeka shops and used for parts. Body sold to Erman Corp Kansas City circa 1994. Presumed scrapped.


27. 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1821 Regal Inn (AC&F, Lot #3358, Plan #9011, 1950) to Amtrak #2351 sold in 1982 to Memphis Transportation Museum (MTM) #2351 (#800261) (Collierville, TN). Current status unknown.

Car acquired by Ozark Mountain Railcar and scrapped for parts 11-09.



28. 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1822 Regal Isle (AC&F, Lot #3358, Plan #9011, 1950) to Amtrak #2352 sold in 1982 to KCS, later (when??) to Jon Clark.

Regal Dome sold by KCS to Jon Clark circa 1990. Car currently stored on Los Angeles Junction Railway in City of Commerce, CA.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:58 am 
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30. 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1809 Regal Creek (P-S, Lot #6757, Plan #4144, 1948) to Amtrak #2362 retired and sold in 1981 to private ownership, reconfigured to 5MB-1DB #800226, and operated in charter service on Tex-Mex RR, later (when??) to SCD #755. Current status unknown.


Thread from June 2001: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1829

At that time, Regal Creek was listed on the D.F. Barnhardt website. Does anybody know the current status/whereabouts of this car? Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:34 am 

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Rainier Rails wrote:
30. 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1809 Regal Creek (P-S, Lot #6757, Plan #4144, 1948) to Amtrak #2362 retired and sold in 1981 to private ownership, reconfigured to 5MB-1DB #800226, and operated in charter service on Tex-Mex RR, later (when??) to SCD #755. Current status unknown.

33. 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1832 Regal Stream (P-S, Lot #6757, Plan #4144, 1947) to Amtrak #2369 retired in 1981 and sold to private ownership #800264, later (when??) to SCD #752. Did this car operate in charter service on the Tex-Mex RR with Regal Creek?? Current status unknown.


I rode the Tex-Mex Express a few times - including the last run on Father's Day 1990 - and never saw any signs of anything except 4 coaches and the single 'club car' that had the HEP generator.

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