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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:50 am 
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Here's a mystery car:

Located at the Atchison Rail Museum (at the depot), which is operated by the North East Kansas Railroaders, Inc.

I couldn't find any straight-on photos of the car, but here it is in the left background of this photo on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/beihouphotography/8129555451/sizes/k/ (Zane Richards photo)

Does anybody know the identity of this car? Photos? Thanks in advance!

No information for this car on the museum website: http://nekr.tripod.com/ATCHISON_RAIL_MUSEUM.htm

The museum also has:

1. An MKT heavyweight baggage, as seen in the photo.

2. The museum website lists CB&Q baggage-30' RPO-locker room #1604 Silver Pouch (Budd, Lot #9611-112, 1952), which was built for the Kansas City Zephyr and transferred in 1956 to the Denver Zephyr.

3. Formerly at the museum were CB&Q 52 seat chairs #4703 Silver Gleam and #4704 Silver Glow, both of which were built by Budd in 1940 in Lot #96109 for the Silver Streak Zephyr, these 2 chairs were retained by BN in 1971 and became MofW #968108 and #968109 respectively. These cars are also not listed on the museum website, and are now in Charles City, IA, with CBRX reporting marks. Was the Silver Pouch also sold and moved to Charles City?

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Burlington Route Historical Society's lightweight passenger car roster: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/stainlessnumber.html

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:00 pm 

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The Silver Pouch should still be at the museum in Atchison, but like the former Q pre-war coaches, is not owned by the museum, but is privately owned. The Pouch did not go to Charles City.

The car in the background is a former AT&SF, former Amtrak 44 seat coach built by PS in 1947 or 1950. Unfortunately, I don't have the number handy.


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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:13 pm 
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Thanks, Topfuel, for the info!

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:57 pm 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
Coaches & Chairs:

45 cars, Budd, Lot #9613-135, 1953, 48 seat leg rest chairs:

#2823 to Amtrak #4817 to HEP #4700 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Montana Rockies Rail Tours. Was this car used or stored?? Acquired (when??) by MRLX and named Tohatchi, reconfigured to 64 seats (when??). Does anyone know the #800xxx-series number of this car??


MRLX #4700 is now at the Heart of Dixie RR Museum, and according to their website, the car was acquired in 2007 by Chooch & Warbucks, LLC. Did Chooch & Warbucks lease the #4700 to Mid America for operation, and was it during that time that the #4700 received MRLX reporting marks and the name Tohatchi?

The #4700 was later renamed from Tohatchi to Kayenta, although I don't know if the car was renamed before or after coming to Heart of Dixie.

Source:

1. Heart of Dixie page for MRLX #4700: http://www.hodrrm.org/body.cfm?id=236

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
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ATSF 505 has been owned by Louis Bradas since 1981. While it is located on and used by the Niles Canyon Railway, it still belongs to Lou.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:35 pm 
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Thanks, Howard, for the info on AT&SF #505!

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
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Rainier Rails wrote:
Coaches & Chairs:

45 cars, Budd, Lot #9613-135, 1953, 48 seat leg rest chairs:

#2822 to Amtrak #4816 to HEP #4705 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Rail Journeys West and named El Capitan (Santa Clara, CA).

#2823 to Amtrak #4817 to HEP #4700 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Montana Rockies Rail Tours. Was this car used or stored?? Acquired (when??) by MRLX and named Tohatchi, reconfigured to 64 seats (when??). Does anyone know the #800xxx-series number of this car??

#2824 to Amtrak #4818 to HEP #4706 (1980) to 88 seat Clocker coach #7620 (1982). Retired and sold in 2003 to Mid America and named Tolani (#800721).
Rainier Rails wrote:
MRLX #4700 is now at the Heart of Dixie RR Museum, and according to their website, the car was acquired in 2007 by Chooch & Warbucks, LLC. Did Chooch & Warbucks lease the #4700 to Mid America for operation, and was it during that time that the #4700 received MRLX reporting marks and the name Tohatchi?

The #4700 was later renamed from Tohatchi to Kayenta, although I don't know if the car was renamed before or after coming to Heart of Dixie.


As posted by MRLX1020 in the AOE thread (http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36689&start=15), here are some corrections for these 3 chairs:

#2822 to Amtrak #4816 to HEP #4705 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Rail Journeys West and named El Capitan (Santa Clara, CA). Sold in 2004 to IFE Leasing and renamed Tolani (#800721).

#2823 to Amtrak #4817 to HEP #4700 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Montana Rockies Rail Tours (BKSX, later RQAX reporting marks??). Sold in 2004 to Mid-America (was this car acquired by IFE Leasing with MRLX reporting marks?). Sold in 2007 to Chooch & Warbucks, named Kayenta (this name had been selected by Mid-America, and was applied after sale), and moved to the Heart of Dixie RR Museum (Calera, AL) (when??).

#2824 to Amtrak #4818 to HEP #4706 (1980) to 88 seat Clocker coach #7620 (1982). Retired and sold in 2003 to Mid-America and named Tohatchi.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving AT&SF Lightweight Cars
PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:15 pm 
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Additional Info & Updates:

Wreck of the eastbound #4 Southwest Limited, Lawrence, KS, 10-2-1979:

Thread: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=37212

Rainier Rails wrote:
El Capitan Hi-Levels:

Twelve cars, Budd, Lot #9679-320, 1963-64, 68 seat chair-transition:

Ordered in November 1962 and delivered between December 1963 and February 1964.

#548 to Amtrak #9922. Wrecked on 10-2-1979 on #4 Southwest Limited at Lawrence, KS, and subsequently stored. Sold (when??) to Les Kasten-ITAX. Current status unknown.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Hi-Level 68 seat chair-transition #548 (Budd, Lot #9679-320, 1964) to Amtrak #9922 planned conversion to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39922 was cancelled due to being wrecked on 10-2-1979 on #4 Southwest Limited at Lawrence, KS. Stored and later (when??) sold to Les Kasten-ITAX. Current status unknown.


As posted in the linked thread above, the #548/#9922 was scrapped sometime last year.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Ten cars, Budd, Lot #9679-166, 1955-56, 68 seat chair-transition:

Ordered in March 1955 and delivered between December 1955 and February 1956.

#534 to Amtrak #9908 to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39908 (1981). Wrecked on 9-22-1993 on #2 Sunset Limited at Big Bayou Canot, AL, and subsequently scrapped.


The #534/#9908 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, but later returned to service as HEP #39908. I don't know if the #9908 was stored between 10-2-1979 and conversion in 1981.

Rainier Rails wrote:
#537 to Amtrak #9911 to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39911 (1981). Retired and sold in 2003 to AAR. Current status unknown.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Hi-Level 68 seat chair-transition #537 (Budd, Lot #9679-166, 1956) to Amtrak #9911 converted to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39911 in 1980. Sold in 2003 to AAR. Current status unknown.


The #537/#9911 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, but later returned to service as HEP #39911. I don't know if the #9911 was stored between 10-2-1979 and conversion in 1980.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Twelve cars, Budd, Lot #9670-320, 1964, 72 seat chair:

Ordered in November 1962 and delivered between February and April 1964. These cars were built with the option for eventual modification to transition-chairs.

#725 to Amtrak #9925 to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39925 (1981). Derailed on 10-9-1995 on #1 Sunset Limited at Hyder, AZ, and subsequently scrapped in 1-2003.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Hi-Level 72 seat chair #725 (Budd, Lot #9670-320, 1964) to Amtrak #9925 converted to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39925 in 1980. Wrecked on 10-9-1995 on #1 Sunset Limited at Hyder, AZ, and subsequently scrapped in 1-2003.


The #725/#9925 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, but later returned to service as HEP #39925. I don't know if the #9925 was stored between 10-2-1979 and conversion in 1980.

Rainier Rails wrote:
#729 to Amtrak #9929 to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39929 (1981). Retired and sold in 2003 to Bucol & Associates. Current status unknown.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Hi-Level 72 seat chair #729 (Budd, Lot #9670-320, 1964) to Amtrak #9929 to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39929 (1981) retired and sold in 2003 to Bucol & Associates, later (when??) to Railway Service Contractors Inc. as MJRX #39929 and stored at Granite City.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Hi-Level 72 seat chair #729 (Budd, Lot #9670-320, 1964) to Amtrak #9929 converted to HEP transition-coach-dormitory #39929 in 1980. Sold in 2003 to Bucol & Associates, later (when??) to Railway Service Contractors Inc. (MJRX), stored at Granite City.


The #729/#9929 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, but later returned to service as HEP #39929. I don't know if the #9929 was stored between 10-2-1979 and conversion in 1980.

Rainier Rails wrote:
25 cars, Budd, Lot #9670-166, 1956, 72 seat chair:

Ordered in March 1955 and delivered between January and April 1956.

#713 to Amtrak #9953 to HEP #39953 (1981). Later modified for Heartland Flyer. Stored in 2004. Current status unknown.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Hi-Level 72 seat chair #713 (Budd, Lot #9670-166, 1956) to Amtrak #9953 converted to HEP #39953 in 1980, later modified for Heartland Flyer. Stored in 2004. Current status unknown.


The #713/#9953 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, but later returned to service as HEP #39953. I don't know if the #9953 was stored between 10-2-1979 and conversion in 1980.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Sleepers, Continued:

Fifteen cars, AC&F, Lot #3358, Plan #9011, 1950, 4DB-4C-2DR:

Ordered in January 1948 and delivered between September and November 1950.

#1813 Regal Dome to Amtrak #2350. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.
Rainier Rails wrote:
4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1813 Regal Dome (AC&F, Lot #3358, Plan #9011, 1950) to Amtrak #2350 sold in 1982 to KCS. Current status unknown.
Topfuel wrote:
Regal Dome sold by KCS to Jon Clark circa 1990. Sold to AT&SF Railway 1991. To AT&SF Topeka shops and used for parts. Body sold to Erman Corp Kansas City circa 1994. Presumed scrapped.


The #1813 Regal Dome was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, but I don't know if the car was subsequently stored before being retired in 1981 and sold in 1982.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Diners:

Ten cars, Budd, Lot #976, 1937, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in February 1937 and delivered in May 1937.

#1477 to Amtrak #8030, seating increased to 48. Retired at unknown date. Current status unknown.
Rainier Rails wrote:
36 seat diner #1477 (Budd, Lot #976, 1937) to Amtrak #8030 (seating increased to 48) wrecked (1981?) and sold in 1981 to unknown party. Current status unknown.


The #1477/#8030 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, and of the 18 cars in the consist, received the most severe damage: the impact of hitting the retaining wall sheared off approximately a third of the car, resulting in the wreck's 2 fatalities.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Lounges:

Six cars, Budd, Lot #9629-001, 1946, 28 seat club lounge barber shop shower dormitory:

Ordered in May 1941 and delivered between March and April 1946. Barber shop and shower later (when??) changed to steward's room.

#1391 to Amtrak #3382. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Club lounge-barber shop-shower-dormitory #1391 (Budd, Lot #9629-001, 1946) to Amtrak #3382 sold in 1982 to private ownership #800223. Current status unknown.
Topfuel wrote:
The 3382 was sold by Amtrak to a John Threadgold (I may not have that name entirely correct) Houston, TX. Sold circa 1990 to John Anderson, Long Beach, CA. In process of conversion to private car interior configuration. Donated circa 2013 to AT&SF 3751 Steam Engine group, Los Angeles.


The #1391/#3382 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, but I don't know if the car was subsequently stored before being retired in 1981 and sold in 1982.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Baggage Cars:

Fifteen cars, Budd, Lot #9601-209, 1957, baggage-express:

Ordered in February 1957 and delivered between September and October 1957.

#3552 to Amtrak #1066 to HEP #1207 (1978). Wrecked on 10-2-1979 on #4 Southwest Limited at Lawrence, KS, and subsequently stored. Sold in 1985 to unknown party. Current status unknown.


As previously posted, the #3552/#1066/#1207 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, and as stated in the linked thread above, I have now listed this car as presumed scrapped in 1985. This car was most likely stored between 10-2-1979 and 1985, but I don't know for certain.

Rainier Rails wrote:
25 cars, AC&F, Lot #04-4269, 1955, baggage-express-messenger:

Ordered in November 1953 and delivered between January and April 1955.

#3683 to Amtrak #1170 to HEP #1263 (1978). Wrecked on 10-2-1979 on #4 Southwest Limited at Lawrence, KS. Listed as retired in 1980. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.


As previously posted, the #3683/#1170/#1263 was in the consist of the #4 at Lawrence, and as stated in the linked thread above, I have now listed this car as presumed scrapped in 1980. This car was most likely stored between 10-2-1979 and 1980, but I don't know for certain.

Wreck of the westbound #5 California Zephyr, Ocala, NV, 6-24-2011:

Rainier Rails wrote:
25 cars, AC&F, Lot #04-4269, 1955, baggage-express-messenger:

Ordered in November 1953 and delivered between January and April 1955.

#3662 to Amtrak #1151 to HEP #1257 (1978). Wrecked on 6-24-2011 on #5 California Zephyr at Ocala, NV, and subsequently stored. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.


I had previously listed the #3662/#1151/#1257 as stored after the wreck at Ocala, but as photographic evidence confirms, the car was placed back into service several weeks later, the earliest photo of the car in service after the Ocala wreck is from 7/26/2011. Most recent photo of the car is from August 2nd of this year in the consist of the northbound #14 Coast Starlight at Vancouver, WA. Photos of the #1257: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=20881

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:44 pm 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
Diners:

Ten cars, Budd, Lot #976, 1937, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in February 1937 and delivered in May 1937.

#1480 to Amtrak #8032. Retired and sold in 1981 to Delaware Otsego-Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley (CACV) #13, later (when??) transferred to NYS&W #508. Current status unknown.
Joshua K. Blay wrote:
Diner 1480 scrapped Utica, NY. Working on a date. Do not confuse this car with second NYS&W 508 which still exists and may be a CSX car now.


According to Joshua's website, http://www.joshuakblay.com/dopass.html, the #1480/NYS&W #508 (1st) was "damaged by runaway freight cars, scrapped in Utica," along with:

Sleeper CACV #6/NYS&W #900 (ex-NYNH&H Lake Wallenpaupack)--the name Lake Wallenpaupack isn't listed in the CCR database. Does anybody know the original name of this car? Thanks in advance!

ACL sleeper Parris Island/Magnolia Gardens. Built in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6809 to Plan #4156 as 21RM sleeper Parris Island, rebuilt in 1962 to 11DB sleeper Magnolia Gardens (Plan #6007), to SCL #6106/Amtrak #2236, retired 1977, sold by 10/1981.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. Mike Palmieri's Amtrak rosters

4. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

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"Here's a mystery car:

Located at the Atchison Rail Museum (at the depot), which is operated by the North East Kansas Railroaders, Inc.

I couldn't find any straight-on photos of the car, but here it is in the left background of this photo on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/beihoupho ... 1/sizes/k/ (Zane Richards photo)

Does anybody know the identity of this car? Photos? Thanks in advance!"

This car is the ex-Santa Fe 2865; ex-Amtrak 4483, PS 1947.


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Thanks, Topfuel, for identifying the #2865/#4483!

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Rainier Rails wrote:
Sleepers:

27 cars, Budd, Lot #9660-038, Plan #9521, 10RM-6DB:

Ordered in January 1948 and delivered between December 1949 and March 1950.

#1637 Pine Mesa to Amtrak #2726 to HEP #2986 (1978). Retired and sold in 1995 to Temple RR & Heritage Museum (Temple, TX).


The Pine Mesa was moved to Temple, TX, in July 1997, as seen in this photo taken by Fred M. Springer: https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotoart/15706545675/sizes/l

Source:

1. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

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Rainier Rails wrote:
Diners:

Ten cars, Budd, Lot #976, 1937, 36 seat diner:

Ordered in February 1937 and delivered in May 1937.

#1482 sold in 1970 to J.W. Kerslake, later (when??) to South Dakota Central (Draper, SD). Current status unknown.

Lunch Counters:

Sixteen cars, Budd, Lot #9627-013, 1948, 14 seat lunch counter 20 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1945 and delivered between January and March 1948. Dining seats later (when??) increased to 24.

#1552 sold in 1969 to J.W. Kerslake, later (when??) to South Dakota Central. Current status unknown.

Baggage Cars:

Eighteen cars, AC&F, Lot #2855, 1947, baggage-express:

Ordered in June 1945 and delivered between April and May 1947.

#3419 sold in 1968 to J.W. Kerslake-Bucksnort Junction Restaurant (Tea, SD). Moved in 1979 by Wayne Kerslake to Prairie Village (Madison, SD). Sold in 1981 to 1880 Town (Midland, SD).
Alex Huff wrote:
Following information applies to three ATSF lightweights; diner 1482, lunch-counter diner 1552, baggage 3419 and one MILW shell of FP7 103C. Source is Wayne Kerslake, son of J. W. Kerslake, who passed away 1970.
1970 - Moved on own wheels to Tea, SD, for use at Bucksnort Jct, a railroad theme restaurant.
1979 - Moved on own wheels to Madison, SD for use as display at Prairie Village.
c. 1981 - Sold by Wayne Kerslake to 1880 Town, 22 mi. west of Murdo, SD and located at exit 170 on I-90.

Lunch counter diner 1552 is in active stationary food service. Interior photo featured on 1880 Town website, see Diners.

Cars are coupled to the gutted shell of 103C (only piece lettered for South Dakota Central) on isolated track.

1474 Cochiti was part of the Bucksnort Jct. display, but sold to the railroad museum prior to the removal to Madison, SD.
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Thanks, Alex, for the info on the cars sold to J.W. Kerslake!

Here's two pictures of the equipment now at 1880 Town:

MILW #103C: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/59924426.jpg (Leif Bentzen photo) (click once to enlarge)

AT&SF cars: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/59904091.jpg (Leif Bentzen photo) (click once to enlarge). #1552 is closest to the photographer, then #1482, and then #3419.


Here's an additional photo of MILW #103C, AT&SF #3419, #1482, and #1552, taken by Fred M. Springer in 1995: https://www.flickr.com/photos/railphotoart/15425861450/sizes/l

Source:

1. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

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#3199 seating reduced in 1947 to 36 chairs (leg rests?). Rebuilt (with flat end) in 1960 to 44 seat chair #2947. Sold in 1969 to PC and converted to 84 seat commuter coach #2407, later NJT #2407. Sold in 1989 to Cedar Rapids & Iowa City #115. Sold in 1994 to CVSR #115. Sold in 2005 to Oklahoma RY Museum #115 and named Kerr McGee Explorer.


Found a shot yesterday of this car in use on the Wyoming & Colorado, dated 1991... wonder of CRandIC sold or leased the coach to WYCO before being sold to Oklahoma Rwy. Museum?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irvinle1/15972387909

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Rainier Rails wrote:
#3199 seating reduced in 1947 to 36 chairs (leg rests?). Rebuilt (with flat end) in 1960 to 44 seat chair #2947. Sold in 1969 to PC and converted to 84 seat commuter coach #2407, later NJT #2407. Sold in 1989 to Cedar Rapids & Iowa City #115. Sold in 1994 to CVSR #115. Sold in 2005 to Oklahoma RY Museum #115 and named Kerr McGee Explorer.
jmlaboda wrote:
Found a shot yesterday of this car in use on the Wyoming & Colorado, dated 1991... wonder of CRandIC sold or leased the coach to WYCO before being sold to Oklahoma Rwy. Museum?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irvinle1/15972387909


Jerry--

I compared the above photo of the WYCO chair to those of Oklahoma RY Museum's #115, and I noticed one small difference: the photo I have linked to below reveals that 2 of the 3 lounge-restroom windows at the vestibule end are narrower on the WYCO chair than they are on the #115. Seeing as how both cars are Budd built and converted from observations, and the 3rd digit of the WYCO chair's number is definitely a 9, this narrows it down to the #3198/#2946:

OKRX #115, 4/7/2007: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=717839 (Tim Vermande photo)

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Chairs & Coaches, Continued:

Two cars, Budd, Lot #992, 1938, 50 seat chair-2 seat smoker observation:

Ordered in August 1937 for El Capitan and delivered in February 1938.

#3198 seating reduced in 1947 to 36 chairs (leg rests?). Rebuilt (with flat end) in 1961 to 44 seat chair #2946. Sold in 1970 to PC and converted to 100 seat commuter coach #2424, later NJT #2424. Current status unknown.


#3198 and #3199 were both built in Lot #992 for the El Capitan, but were not rebuilt to mid-train chairs at the same time: #3199 was rebuilt in 1960, and #3198 in 1961; this could explain why the lounge windows are different.

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