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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:07 pm 

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Provocation for the latest round of pot-banging came from the discovery earlier this week, that at the behest of Guelph Museums, a City of Guelph crew had chopped off the steam heat line on the back of the tender with a cut-off wheel, without consulting with or even informing the volunteer core about it.


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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:51 pm 

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Sadly, that is what you get when dealing with bureaucratic morons at city hall. If they had even one piece of brain in their head it would be lonely. Same sort of thing goes on at other cities as well.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:08 am 

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You are more than welcome, but you'll need more than my one voice, so see if you can encourage others to post her.
Just read the next posting--AAAAUGGH!!!! And what did they do with the parts they cut off??? Tossed, I'll bet! Hmm, illegal disposal of hazardous materials????? A artifact care & documentations policy needs to be created & enforced--that's what museum directors/curators do!! (or should do!!).
That part could have been carefully unbolted and stored in the coal bunker. . . .

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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:40 am 

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Yes it could have been very easily unbolted, by a volunteer. All they had to do was send an email and any of us could have come down to the locomotive and taken care of it.

We have no idea what happened to it, other than it's "in storage".

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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:26 am 

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Must be missing something here....

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There were some young children at handoff yesterday, and that was educational in itself. I watched a young toddler run up to the back of the tender where he became fascinated with the brake hoses and everything else back there. AND OF COURSE he instinctively heads STRAIGHT FOR the jagged rusty jacket over the steam heat connection (which is still covered in asbestos!). Luckily I was there to tell his parents to watch out because the locomotive is NOT a piece of playground equipment and contains many hidden dangers! Otherwise 6167 might have claimed her first casualty right then and there.

At that exact moment though, I happened to be talking with another gentleman who was actually on his way to having lunch with a City Councillor and I asked the father of the child if he could pose his son near the jagged metal so that the other gentleman could get a picture of that to show to the City Councillor!


So a member of the public advises City Council of a dangerous situation and possibly liability of injury to children and they take action and remove the dangerous metal.. you know that would happen as the City would not like a lawsuit...

Seem's to me that there was no need to contact a City Councillor...? Could you not have been due diligant and simply removed the offending piece,seal it up and store it temporarily?

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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:35 am 

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Peter,

This is a result of the Committee's decision NOT to build a fence. Had there been a fence, that child would have been kept away from the locomotive.

The point of telling the Councillor was to show that having the locomotive unfenced is inherently dangerous to both the artifact and the public.

The other problem is that the City just chopped off the pipe without telling any of the volunteers. We don't know where it is or if they damaged it or what.

This creates a slippery slope, as people injure them selves on the unfenced train, is the city simply going to come along and start chopping parts of the locomotive?

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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:41 am 

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Sorry Joe but even if there was a fence, there would be nothing stopping someone from possibly injuring themselves on that metal.. Could have easily been resolved.. at the end of the day its the Locomotive that has now suffered....

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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:44 am 

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Yes Peter... there would... THE FENCE! The whole point of the fence is to KEEP PEOPLE AWAY. I don't think a 3-year old child is going to hop a 6 foot fence?

Imagine for a moment, if the City of Sarnia decided to take down all the fencing around 6069, then start chopping off parts that were inconvenient to them. You wouldn't like that much would you?

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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:50 am 

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Your missing the point I was trying to make Joe.. if there was a Fence up and they had open days tours etc there would be little to stop someone injuring themselves on that metal..inside the fence..

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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:11 am 

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Peter,

If there WAS a fence and they had open days, there would be someone there to supervise the public and make sure no one was injured!

Much like *I* was able to stop that young child from cutting himself up. I saw what was happening with my eyes and intervened.

Ya dig?

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 Post subject: Re: CNR 6167 News - 2014
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:17 pm 

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It seems the museum manager just don't like fences period...

http://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story ... -on-fence/

Edit: perhaps they could have repurposed that fence and used it to protect 6167 rather than leaving the locomotive "fenceless and defenceless"

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