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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:14 pm 

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Jerry, back in May you reported here that 800741 SAVANNAH (GRAND TETON) was going to become NS 14 MISSOURI, and this car WAS NOT listed in the brochure for the GREENBRIAR auction in September.


In looking at the shot again and comparing the painted out car name with a shot of the car ARE GREAT SMOKY MOUNTAINS I believe that this is the second car that N.C. has acquired. My bad but thankfully a shot of just the car name and the windows above it is available for comparison and the painted out parts of the car name matches the approximate placement. Here is a link to the car name shot...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/trafficdan/5414584246

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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 8:28 pm 
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On Tuesday, May 27th, 2014, Post #1 on Page #1, Rainier Rails wrote:
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Empire Builder dome 46 seat coach #1331 (Budd, Lot #9646-155, 1955) to BN #4611 (not applied) to Amtrak #9471 converted in 1984 to HEP #9410. Retired and sold in 1995 to BKS Limited (BKSX) #9410 for Montana Rockies Daylight. MRD was sold in 1998 to Oregon Rail Corporation/AOE and rebranded Montana Rockies Rail Tours-American Spirit. Sold in 2001 to Rail Quest America (RQAX) #9410 for MRRT. Sold in 2004 to Philip Sheridan-IFE Leasing as MRLX #9410. Leased 2005-2007 to Alaska RR. Leased 2009-2012 to CVSR as #9410 Emerson (1st).
On Wednesday, May 28th, 2014, 10th Post on Page #1, Steve Freer wrote:
GN 9410 is running on TVRM's Hiwassee River Rail Adventure trips based near Etowah, Tennessee.
http://tvrail.com/pages/hiwassee-premium-service


The #9410 has been renamed from Emerson (1st) to Jackson Square, and today, May 30th, was the 13th of 17 passenger cars for N&W #611's return run from NCTM, Spencer, NC, to Roanoke.

#611 consist information thread over on Trainorders: http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?10,3756383

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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 7:11 pm 

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"Sunset Limited baggage-16 bunk dormitory #3103 (Budd, Lot #9614-040, 1950) transferred in 1951 to T&NO #301 transferred in 1961 back to SP #3103 to Amtrak #1531 converted in 1980 to HEP #1622. Stored in 1994 and sold (when??) to ITAX, later (when??) to AOE, reconfigured to laundry-storage car, and named Los Angeles (#800715). Sold (when??) to Bill Wherry. Mr. Wherry passed away, car is stored at Burnham Shops in Denver awaiting sale by his estate."

Sold January 2015 to Jon Clark. Purchased from daughter of Bill Wherry. To be moved to Los Angeles summer 2015.


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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 7:41 pm 
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Thanks, Topfuel, for the info on the Los Angeles! What's the condition of this car like? I know that as part of the preparation for the failed American Railway Explorer, a number of the former AOE cars had the interiors partially/entirely removed for asbestos removal. Does the Los Angeles just need a current COT&S, or are there other issues (parts removed, esp. HEP, etc.) that need to be addressed?

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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:07 pm 

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"Thanks, Topfuel, for the info on the Los Angeles! What's the condition of this car like? I know that as part of the preparation for the failed American Railway Explorer, a number of the former AOE cars had the interiors partially/entirely removed for asbestos removal. Does the Los Angeles just need a current COT&S, or are there other issues (parts removed, esp. HEP, etc.) that need to be addressed?"

As I understand it, the Los Angeles is still mostly intact inside from the AOE days. It had not been stripped for the ridicules asbestos abatement - perhaps because ARE was not going to use the car or they just hadn't gotten to it yet. When ARE went under, this car was on shop trucks and had the brake valves removed, among other misc undercar items. Under Wherry ownership at the former D&RGW Burnham shops, the car was re-trucked with OSH disk brake trucks from a former UP car, the 26C brake system was restored, a new coupler installed, and a COT&S performed. So the car was ready to move when purchased by Jon Clark. All of the HEP was intact.


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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:31 am 

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A correction on the C&O Cars:

5DB sleeper 26 seat buffet lounge observation (blunt end) #2507 Wolverine Club (P-S, Lot #6863, Plan #4165, 1950) sold in 1951 to B&O #7501 and renamed Wawasee to Amtrak #3250 retired and sold in 1977 to Gordon Ingram #3250 and renamed San Diego Club (LaJolla, CA). Sold (when??) to Genesee & Wyoming (GNWR) #3250 and renamed Pride of the Genesee (#800246). Sold (when??) to John Kirkwood-Rail Ventures (RVIX) #800246. Sold (when??) to AOE #800246, reconfigured to 3DB crew dormitory-diner lounge, and renamed Monterey. Sold (when??) to Ross Rowland-Greenbrier Express. Sold 2014 to Western Maryland Scenic Railroad, for sale as of May, 2016. Stored at Ridgeley, WV


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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:00 pm 

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It has been nearly 2½ years since any of use last discussed AOE cars so I hope I don't ruffle any feathers by reviving this thread. I am in need of the disposition of two of the AOE cars and aside from the few that went to the Grand Canyon and car BERLIN which has been used for a while now as a private car I don't know if we ever finished assembling where other cars went too so maybe, finally, this can be determined.

I am looking for the disposition of ISTANBUL and PARIS and the reason is quite simple... one of these two cars is now Norfolk Southern 960400 and is getting ready to be placed into Maintenance of Way service so determining which of these cars is involved is needed for any listings for this car.

Can anyone help???

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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:18 pm 

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According to this roster NS bought two cars from AOE and put them into MOW service at the same time, 960400 (which you listed) and 960401. Could BOTH be on the NS roster:

http://www.altoonaworks.info/ocs.html


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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:25 pm 

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NS 960401 is known to have been AOE 800768 SANTA FE, exx-AMTK 2231 STAR CREST, exx-2251, exxx-UP 1702, nee-CHEYENNE (links to some photos on the Passenger Car Photo Index's NS page). Hopefully someone yet will have the history of this other AOE car...

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 Post subject: Re: American Orient Express Roster
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:26 pm 

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As of 4/4/2015, the Paris was stored on the Morristown & Erie Railroad before being sold.


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