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Author:  Rainier Rails [ Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Al Chione Slides

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Photo #214: Class POS21 Plan #4133 1DB-2MR sleeper 25 seat buffet lounge observation #8419 Mountain View (P-S, 1949). Sold in 1968 to High Iron Company, later (when??) resold to private ownership #800419, then (when??) to the Railroader's Memorial Museum in Altoona. After HICO, was the Mountain View owned by Bennett Levin or another party? Location unknown.


There is another duplicate of this slide currently for sale, and it is listed as taken in Hialeah, FL, on March 10th, 1968.

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Author:  Rainier Rails [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Al Chione Slides

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GN catenary maintenance car #X838, complete with adjustable-height platform and pantograph. The #X838 was built by StLCCo in 1929 as the all-baggage motorcar #2337, and the platform was installed at the Jackson Street Shops that same year, so obviously this car was ordered with the intention of using it for catenary maintenance on the Scenic Sub. Seen in Leavenworth, WA, in 1956.


There was another duplicate of this slide for sale, and the date was listed as June 9th, 1956.

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Author:  Rainier Rails [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:05 am ]
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Photo #69: CB&Q 52 seat chair #4712 Silver Crown (Budd, 1940, general pool/Sam Houston Zephyr) at Denver
Taken in November 1964.

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Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #71: California Zephyr CZ-16 6DB-5C sleeper CB&Q #450 Silver Dove (Budd, 1948), this could also be in Denver
This slide was indeed taken in Denver, in February 1963.

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Photo #89: CB&Q Black Hawk 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper #461 Silver Gladiola (Budd, 1952) at Denver
Taken in June 1961.

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Photo #113: CB&Q 52 seat chair #4710 Silver Cloud (Budd, 1940, general pool) at Denver
Taken in October 1966.

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Photo #125: CB&Q wood rail detector car #251110 (ex-business car #97, nee-coach #153, builder and year?)
Taken in Omaha in July 1952.

Author:  Rainier Rails [ Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:07 am ]
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Photo #49: GN 44 seat diner #1252 Lake Ellen Wilson (AC&F, 1950, Mid-Century Empire Builder) at Chicago
Taken in June 1968.

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Photo #33: GN baggage-dormitory #1205 (AC&F, 1951, Mid-Century Empire Builder) at Minneapolis
Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #37: GN 6RM-5DB-2C sleeper #1379 Big Horn Pass (P-S, 1950, Mid-Century Empire Builder) at Minneapolis
Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #44: GN 60' RPO-baggage #38 (AC&F, 1950, Mid-Century Empire Builder) at Minneapolis
These three slides were taken in June 1968.

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Photo #54: CB&Q 8DXR-4S-3DB-1C sleeper #1269 Poplar River (ex-GN, P-S, 1950, Mid-Century Empire Builder)
Taken in Denver in June 1969.

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Photo #42: GN streamlined heavyweight 62 seat chair #966 (B&S, 1914/53)
Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #46: GN modernized heavyweight 68 seat chair #964 (B&S, 1914/37), same location as photo #42
Rainier Rails wrote:
Photos #42 (GN #966) and #46 (#964) were taken in Portland, OR, specifically of GN's northbound Portland-to-Seattle pool train #459, which has just left Union Station.
These two slides were taken in September 1965.

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Photo #13: GN steam generator #1 (StLCC, 1928) at Skykomish, WA
Taken in 1955.

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Author:  Rainier Rails [ Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Al Chione Slides

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Photo #101: CB&Q baggage-express-messenger #909 Silver Peak (ex-FW&D #450, rebuilt in 1958 from baggage dormitory-16 seat chair, Budd, 1940, Texas Zephyr). Formerly stored on the Western Maryland Scenic, now owned by California Zephyr Railcar Charters (#800798).


Taken in Denver in June 1969.

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Author:  Rainier Rails [ Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:19 pm ]
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Photo #202: PRR Class P70fbR 72 seat coach #1721. Photographed in Chicago.
Another duplicate of this slide is currently for sale on eBay, and it is listed as taken on Saturday, June 22nd, 1963.

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Photo #205: PRR Plan #4060A 6S-6DB sleeper #8580 Poplar Heights (Lot #4624, 1921, rebuilt in 1937 from Plan #2411C 12S-1DR-1C Antiphon).
Another duplicate of this slide was recently for sale on eBay, and it was listed as taken in Denver, on Wednesday, January 2nd, 1963.

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Photo #215: PRR Class PS442A Plan #4069B 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #8016 Imperial Range (P-S, 1938), scrapped in 1968. Painted in UP Armour Yellow 1939-1940 and in Golden State Red & Silver 1948-1951. Location unknown.
Another duplicate of this slide was recently for sale on eBay, and it was listed as taken in Colorado Springs, CO, on Thursday, October 3rd, 1963.

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Photo #220: PRR 8 seat lunch counter-buffet-38 seat lounge #1148 (P-S, Lot #6819, Plan #7596, 1950) at Chicago. Ordered in November 1946 by the Pere Marquette as part of the massive C&O order, sold before completion to the Rio Grande in February 1949, and delivered in August 1950 as D&RGW #1291 Royal Gorge. Sold to PRR in 1967 as #1148, renumbered to PC #4448, sold in 1974 to Amtrak as #3361. Sold in 1981 to Standard Industries, later (when??) to Wayne Yetter-California Rail Tours #800380 (Salinas, CA).
Another duplicate of this slide is currently for sale on eBay, and it is listed as taken on Thursday, June 27th, 1968.

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Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #239: PRR Class PS6L Plan #4131 6DB sleeper-20 seat buffet lounge #8404 Catalpa Falls (P-S, Lot #6792, 1949), to PC #4409, leased to Amtrak between April 1971 and March 1972, sold in 1972? to the "8404 Corporation" in Toledo, OH, as PVTC #907 (#800030), later leased to Ken Bitten and Kevin Luebke's Classic Rail Cars/Liberty Limited Dinner Train, then sold in 2001? to a private owner, relettered as #8404. Photographed in Chicago on Saturday, June 22nd, 1963.
Another duplicate of this slide is currently for sale on eBay, and it is listed as taken on Friday, July 19th, 1963, not Saturday, June 22nd.

Author:  Rainier Rails [ Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Al Chione Slides

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Photo #33: GN baggage-dormitory #1205 (AC&F, 1951, Mid-Century Empire Builder) at Minneapolis.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #37: GN 6RM-5DB-2C sleeper #1379 Big Horn Pass (P-S, 1950, Mid-Century Empire Builder) at Minneapolis.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #44: GN 60' RPO-baggage #38 (AC&F, 1950, Mid-Century Empire Builder) at Minneapolis.
Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #55: GN 16 seat buffet lounge-40 seat chair #1074 (ex-SLSF 56 seat chair #1257 University City, P-S, 1947/67) at Minneapolis.


These 4 slides were taken on the morning of Saturday, July 15th, 1967, on the eastern approach to GN's Minneapolis depot. I had previously listed that these slides were taken in June 1968. The #1074 is in the consist of train #8, the eastbound Winnipeg Limited, which is headed towards its final stop at St. Paul Union Depot (SPUD); it was scheduled to depart Minneapolis at 6:25 AM. The #38, #1205, and Big Horn Pass are all in the consist of the eastbound Empire Builder, which is also headed towards its next stop at SPUD on the way to Chicago; it was scheduled to depart Minneapolis at 6:35 AM. See: http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,4201724

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Author:  Rainier Rails [ Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Al Chione Slides

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Photo #203: Plan #3523C 6C-3DR sleeper #8556 Herald Square (Lot #6290, 1929, Broadway Limited), listed by Wayner as sold to Edward J. Joscelyn. Car was renamed to Chenango, and over the last several decades it has slowly been modified to a private car, complete with open platform. Currently located in Ringoes, NJ. "Surviving Pullman" thread line item #262. Location unknown.


Taken in Denver.

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Author:  Rainier Rails [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Al Chione Slides

I recently acquired Bill Glick's CB&Q passenger car roster book, which provided lots of additional info and corrections for a number of CB&Q, C&S, and FW&D heavyweight cars from 4 different sets of slides featured earlier in this thread.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #64: CB&Q coach #7100 (# of seats, builder, and year?)
Bulby wrote:
This car was built in the Aurora Shops by the CB&Q for commuter service on the "racetrack" between Chicago and Aurora. She dates to 1928, and seated 87. (IIRC)
#7100 was a Class PA-14A built at Aurora in 6/1928, was rebuilt in 10/1949, and was transferred to the MofW department as #251193 at Havelock on 6/12/1969.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #68: C&S business car #900 (ex-CB&Q Iowa, exx-#301, nee-#208)
Built by Pullman in 9/1902 as café parlor Iowa, to #301 in 1904 renumbering, rebuilt in 8/1914 to Class DL-2 diner lounge #208, rebuilt in 1930 as C&S business car #900, later (when??) sold to the Illinois Sesquicentennial, later (when??) resold to Polk Brothers as #P81, and later (when??) resold again to Richard McKinley, still as #P81.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #70: CB&Q coach #4541 (# of seats, builder, and year?)
Don C. wrote:
Photo 70: 4541 was built by Pullman in 8/27 as 6128 and then rebuilt and renumbered 4541 in 1/38.
#6128 was a Class PB-20 coach built by Pullman in 8/1922, rebuilt on 1/28/38 as Class PC-11 chair #4541, and was sold for scrap to North West Steel & Wire Co. on 2/7/1969.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #75: CB&Q 60' RPO #2342 (builder and year?)
Don C. wrote:
Photo 75: 2342 was built by AC&F. Sister 2340 was built 11/24.
#2342 was a Class MA-11 60' RPO, 1 of 22 such cars (#2325-#2346) built by Standard Steel Car Co. in 12/1922. #2342 was sold for scrap to the Erman-Howell Corp. on 8/15/1967.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #79: CB&Q modified heavyweight business car #100 (2nd) (ex-WP #100, exx-CB&Q #100 [2nd], nee-EP&SW #1914, Pullman, 1913/40/51)
#100 (2nd) was built by Pullman in 8/1913 in Lot #4220 to Plan #2974 for Arthur Curtis James as El Paso & Southwestern #1914, was transferred in 1/1925 to CB&Q as #100 (2nd), was transferred in 5/1929 to WP as #100, was transferred in 9/1931 to CB&Q as #100 (2nd), was acquired by the Burlington on 12/2/1939, still as #100 (2nd), was sold in 8/1971 to a Dr. Thurow of Madison, WI, and was used as a house in Riley, WI.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #80: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1947 (builder and year?)
Bulby wrote:
While I'm not positive that they are sister cars, #1947 is very close to IRM's RPO-baggage CB&Q #1923, which is an 1914 product of AC&F. There are a few detail differences, including a blanked off third window on the #1947.
Don C. wrote:
Photo 80: 1947 was built by AC&F.
#1947 was a Class MB-23 RPO-baggage, built by AC&F in 11/24. It was sold for scrap to North West Steel & Wire Co. on 12/21/67. For comparison, #1923 was a Class MB-20 RPO-baggage, built by AC&F in 3/1914. It was donated in 3/1970 to the Illinois RY Museum.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #87: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1914 (builder and year?)
Don C. wrote:
Photo 87: 1914 was built by AC&F.
#1914 was a Class MB-18 RPO-baggage built by AC&F in 6/1913. It was sold for scrap to the Purdy Company on 11/25/1969.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #88: CB&Q coach #6117 (# of seats?; Pullman, 1922)
Don C. wrote:
Photo 88: 6117 and 6118 were built as an unusual (for the CB&Q at least) combination coach-chair car. Note the window spacing of the first seven windows in the body of the coach, then the wider window divider and then the closer spacing of the remaining windows.
#6117 and #6118 were Class PB-20A combination coach-chairs built by Pullman in 9/1922. In addition, both #6115 and #6116 were in Class PB-19A, and were built by AC&F in 11/1916 and 12/1916 respectively. #6116 is listed as a combination coach-chair, so #6115 could also have been one of these combo cars. #6117 was donated to the (National) Museum of Transport(ation) in 3/1970.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #90: CB&Q baggage-express #1533 (builder and year?)
Don C. wrote:
Photo 90: 1523 was built by AC&F.
#1533 was a Class BA-11 baggage-express built by AC&F in 2/1918. It was sold for scrap to the Purdy Company on 11/19/1968.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #92: CB&Q instruction car #10 (ex-87 seat commuter coach #7127, 1928/67)
#10 was originally #7127, a Class PA-14 suburban car built at Aurora in 11/1928, was rebuilt in 1/1949, and was rebuilt to instruction car #10 at Lincoln on 6/20/1967.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #93: CB&Q wood baggage-express #1451 in MofW service as #250855 (builder and year?)
#1451 was built as #2230, a 60' RPO, at Aurora in 7/1909, was rebuilt in 12/23 to baggage-express #1451, and was transferred to the MofW department on 8/3/1948 as #250855.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #95: CB&Q diner #176 (builder and year?)
Don C. wrote:
Photo 95: 176 was built by AC&F in 1917.
#176 was a Class DA-5 diner built by AC&F in 4/1917. It was sold for scrap to North West Steel & Wire Co. in 1/1967.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #103: CB&Q dynamometer #30 (builder and year?)
#30 was built at Aurora in 9/1929, and was donated to the National RR Museum in 1971.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #104: CB&Q streamlined heavyweight business car The Round-Up (ex-#220 Mississippi, exx-chair #4811, exxx-solarium lounge observation #220 Cheyenne-Denver, nee-SP&S parlor solarium observation #570, B&S, 1915/34/43/46/53)
The Round-Up was built by Barney & Smith in 1915 as SP&S lounge observation #570, was acquired by the Burlington in 6/1934 as #220 Mississippi, was rebuilt in 11/1936 as parlor observation #340, was converted on 5/28/1943 to chair #4811 (due to WWII restrictions on first class travel accommodations), was converted in 2/1946 back to lounge observation #220 Mississippi, and was rebuilt at Aurora in 1/1953 to streamlined, Budd-fluted business car The Round-Up. It went to BN in 5/1970, still as the The Round-Up, and was sold in 4/1972 to CN.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #106: CB&Q modernized wood & steel sheathed business car #92 (ex-Burlington [1st], exx-USRA #8, nee-Black Hawk [1st], Pullman, 1902)
Black Hawk (1st) was built by Pullman in 1/1903 in Lot #2976 to Plan #1890G, was rebuilt in 1915 as #92 (2nd), was USRA #8 between 1918 and 1921, was rebuilt in 1921, was (re)named on 9/1/22 to the Burlington (1st), was (re)numbered in 1952 back to #92 (2nd), was sold in 7/1966 to William F. Howes, Jr., was moved to the Stewartstown RR in New Freedom, PA, as #92 Black Hawk, and was later (when??) resold to the Allegheny Central RR in Covington, VA, still as #92 Black Hawk.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #111: CB&Q diner #178 (builder and year?)
Don C. wrote:
Photo 111: 178 was built by Pullman in 1922.
#178 was a Class DA-6 diner built by Pullman in 6/1922. It was scrapped at Eola on 7/23/1965.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #112: CB&Q diner #182 (builder and year?)
Don C. wrote:
Photo 112: 182 was built by Pullman in 1922, also.
#182 was a Class DA-6 diner built by Pullman in 7/1922. It was scrapped at Eola on 7/23/1965.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #119: CB&Q RPO-baggage-express #1911 (builder and year?)
#1911 was a Class MB-18 baggage-express built by AC&F in 6/1913. It was sold for scrap to North West Steel & Wire Co. on 3/10/1969.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #122: CB&Q RPO-baggage-express-coach #3655, originally motorcar (builder and year?)
Les Beckman wrote:
Ted - The photo of CB&Q #3655 is really interesting. The car appears to be on the end of a freight, probably in mixed train service. Leave it to the Burlington to make use of a former motor car! The 3655 is sure a great piece of passenger equipment.
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
If I can increase the mystery: I'm 99% certain the 3655, along with others in the 3650 series, is not an ex-doodlebug, but instead an ex-trailer car built and designed to run with the Burlington's bigger 9800-series gas-electric cars. I believe the far end in that photo sports a "push-pull" type cab.
Les Beckman wrote:
Managed to find a list on the CB&Q Historical Society website and, if I read it correctly, the 3655 was originally built by EMD/Pullman as doodlebug #627, later #9627 and then #9814. Converted in March of 1950 to number 3655.
#3655 was scrapped at Gibson on 7/14/1961.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #125: CB&Q wood rail detector car #251110 (ex-business car #97, nee-coach #153, builder and year?)
Built at Aurora in 1882 as coach #153, was rebuilt in 1/1888, was rebuilt in circa 1915, was rebuilt on 3/2/1951 to rail detector outfit car #251110, and was dismantled on 2/27/1959.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #126: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1944 (builder and year?)
#1944 was a Class MB-22 RPO-baggage built by Standard Steel in 11/1922. It was sold for scrap to the Purdy Company on 9/27/1968.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #127: CB&Q RPO-baggage #1932 (builder and year?)
#1932 was a Class MB-21 RPO-baggage built by AC&F in 3/1914. No disposition info listed.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #128: CB&Q 87 seat commuter coach #7110 (CB&Q, 1928).
#7110 was a Class PA-14 suburban car built at Aurora in 9/1928, was rebuilt in 7/1949, and was transferred to the MofW department in 2/1966 as #251172.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #130: CB&Q streamlined heavyweight coach #6161 (builder and year?)
#6161 was a Class PB-21 coach built by Pullman in 5/1927, and was rebuilt in 1954 as a streamlined 66 seat coach. It was sold for scrap to Luria Brothers in 8/1970.

Rainier Rails wrote:
Photo #140: CB&Q baggage-express #1592 (ex-RPO-baggage #1899, nee-RPO #2319, builder and year?)
#1592 was built as #2319, a Class MA-10 60' RPO built by AC&F in 8/1916. It was rebuilt in 12/1923 to RPO-baggage #1899, and was rebuilt on 10/25/45 to baggage-express #1592. It was transferred to the MofW department in 1/1966 as #250043.

Source:

"Burlington Passenger Car Roster, 1869-1930's, Revised and with Cross-References" by William L. Glick (Quincy House, 1987)

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