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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:21 pm 
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Photo #181: 36 seat diner #603 (P-S, 1950, Super Chief). To Amtrak #8072, retired and sold in 1981 to Naparano Iron & Metal Company (Newark, NJ).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091710

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Photo #182: lounge-dormitory #1528 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091711

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Photo #183: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper Tsankawi (P-S, 1938, Super Chief), sold in 1966 to El Paso Iron & Metal (Vinton, TX).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091712

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Photo #184: 36 seat diner #1474 Cochiti (Budd, 1937, Super Chief), sold in 1968 to J.W. Kerslake, later to CSRM. Photographed in or near Denver.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091713

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:16 pm 
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Photo #185: 36 seat diner #1496 (Budd, 1942). Seating later increased to 46, to Amtrak #8041 (seating increased to 48), retired in 1981 and sold in 1982 to Excursion Lines, current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091714

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Photo #186: superintendent business car #424 (Pullman, 1923), assigned to the New Mexico Division, as of 1/1/1960 was assigned to J.P. Spears, Superintendent of the Middle Division, and based at Newton, KS. As of 10/30/1979, parked next to the PM depot, Traverse City, MI, with the name Cynthia: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mackinacmark/8712924670/sizes/l/ (Mark Andersen photo). Current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091715

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Photo #187: lounge-barber shop-dormitory #1363 (Pullman, Lot #4807, 1926), formerly named San Bartolo, donated in 1966 to the Age of Steam RR Museum, now the Museum of the American RR (Frisco, TX).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091716

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Photo #188: baggage-express #236 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091717

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:49 am 
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Photo #189: 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper Eagle Nest Valley (P-S, 1942) at Denver. Sold in 1967 to W. Silver & Company (Anthony, TX).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091718

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Photo #190: 48 seat leg rest chair #2840 (Budd, 1953). To Amtrak #4852, wrecked in 1980 (when and where?) and sold in 1981 to Naparano Iron & Metal Company.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091719

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Photo #191: 1DB-3C-2DR sleeper 13 seat lounge observation Navajo (Budd, 1937, Super Chief), lounge seating reduced in 1946 from 14. Donated in 1957 to the Intermountain Chapter NRHS, now at the Colorado RR Museum in Golden.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091720

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Photo #192: business car #38 (Pullman, 1925), assigned to W.K. Etter, as of 1/1/1960 it was assigned to General Manager J.N. Landreth and based at Los Angeles. Current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091721

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
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The car Cynthia, #424 above, was later sold to a local Michigan railroad (T&SB, as I recall), then sold to the Lake State Railroad, who renovated it circa 2008, and turned it into a rather nice business car. It is presently housed in the Lake State RR roundhouse in Saginaw.

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:06 am 

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Chris -

Nice to hear that AT&SF #424 was saved and restored. Wonder if anyone has a current photo of the car?


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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:26 am 

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The only T&SB business car I can find is their #1, pictured below. It doesn't appear to be the same car.

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1774267

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:30 pm 

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The ex-SF 424 isn't the same car as that #1 from the 1984 picture.
Ownership of the 424 isn't easy to explain, and follows a similar (confusing) story to the ownership of short lines in the state. As I recall, the Marino brothers purchased the car when they purchased the original T&SB lines in the thumb area. They eventually purchased the northern part of the AA, which became T&SB, and their thumb-area lines became Huron and Eastern. The 424 (as far as I know) passed along to H&E, which later became part of RailAmerica. H&E got the car working again with the help of the Bluewater Michigan Chapter NRHS, and used it occasionally on inspection trips and Bluewater excursions. RailAmerica sold it to Lake State. Makes sense?

The #1 in the 1984 picture (if it is the car I think it is) later received much non-prototypical work, including sliding residential-style windows, and department-store-style door and windows over the platform. Sometime in the early 2000s the Marinos moved it south out of Michigan.

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:37 pm 

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Here is how the 424 looks today:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=940053

And if anyone is curious, here is what the T&SB #1 later looked like:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=208854


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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:32 pm 

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Chris -

Thanks for the photo of the 424. Must admit I prefer the Pullman Green paint over the dark blue, but overall, she still looks real good.


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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:23 am 
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Photo #193: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1810 Regal Crest (AC&F, 1950). Retained by Santa Fe in 1971, renumbered in 1974 to #63, to BNSF geometry support car #81 (#800724).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091722

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Photo #194: another view of Pleasure Dome #501, taken on the same date and at the same location as photo #150. 16 seat dome (8 parlor, 8 paired) 29 seat club lounge 13 seat Turquoise Room #501 (P-S, 1950, Super Chief, intended to be named Plaza Laguna). To Amtrak #9351, sold in 1984 to Espirit de Corp Sportswear, to GGRM, to Roy Thorpe, to John Baldwin, to Washington Central/Columbia Basin-Spirit of Washington Dinner Train #104 City of Seattle, sold in 2012 to Iowa Pacific and assigned to Santa Cruz & Monterey Bay. These 2 photos date from after 1957-58, as the #501 is riding on outside swing hanger trucks swapped from the 1957 Budd baggage cars.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091723

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Photo #195: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1835 Regal Vale (P-S, 1948). To Amtrak #2371, retired in 1981 and sold in 1982 to the Anbel Corporation. Did this car enter service in Mexico? If so, does anybody know what number and name it carried? Thanks in advance!

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091724

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Photo #196: full dome lounge #60 (Budd, 1954). Built as #506, with 57 chairs and 18 lounge seats in the dome, and a 28 seat lounge and nurse's room in the lower level. Retained by Santa Fe in 1971, renumbered in 1974 to #60, to BNSF #31 and named Bay View in 1999 (#800638).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091725

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:39 am 
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I've acquired 40 PRR passenger car slides, which I'll start posting tomorrow. Here are the last 4 AT&SF slides.

Photo #197: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1823 Regal Lane (AC&F, 1950). Retained by Santa Fe in 1971, renumbered in 1974 to #65, to BNSF #65 Raton Pass (#800662).

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091726

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Photo #198: 36 seat diner #1497 (Budd, 1942). To Amtrak #8042, retired and sold in 1981 to Alaska RR #4842, sold in 1989 to Denver Railcar #800335, later resold to ITAX, then to Gateway, scrapped in July 2011.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091727

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Photo #199: 36 seat diner #1472 (builder and year?):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091728

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Photo #200: 4DB-4C-2DR sleeper #1827 Regal Pass (P-S, 1948). To Amtrak #2366, stored in 1977 and sold in 1981 to Rod Basich. Current status/location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4091729

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:14 pm 
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Here are the first 4 of 40 PRR slides. For the second set of 20 slides, I have the dates and locations, but again, if anyone can help identify the locations for some of the slides from the first set, this would be very appreciated! Thanks in advance!

Photo #201: unidentified Plan #2410 12S-1DR sleeper in MofW service as #493287. Location unknown. Does anybody know what 12-1 sleeper this is? Thanks in advance!

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4142110

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Photo #202: Class P70fbR 72 seat coach #1721 (builder and year?). Photographed in Chicago.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4142111

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Photo #203: Plan #3523C 6C-3DR sleeper #8556 Herald Square (Lot #6290, 1929, Broadway Limited), listed by Wayner as sold to Edward J. Joscelyn. Car was renamed to Chenango, and over the last several decades it has slowly been modified to a private car, complete with open platform. Currently located in Ringoes, NJ. "Surviving Pullman" thread line item #262. Location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4142112

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Photo #204: Class P70fR 84 seat coach #3826 (builder and year?). Location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4142113

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:04 am 

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Item 201; was Pullman 12-1 sleeper ROWLAND, built 1910, lot 3860, plan 2410. In 1931 car was modified to plan 2410I, and went to PRR in 1948 and carried # 8923 + name. Leased to Pullman until 1958, the car was then reclassed as parlour and renumbered # 7159 + name. No interior modifications were made. In August 1966 ROWLAND was converted to WS # 493287. My information lists 1976c no further data (possibly to Conrail). Tom Madden's "Pullman Project" offers more information.

Item 202; PRR 1721 was rebuilt in sometime between January and September 1949, by PRR from an original P70 coach, number unknown. When rebuilt it received mechanical AC, newer style vestibule Dutch doors, and round windows in the washrooms. The original window format was kept, but sashes were sealed. Seating accommodated 72 passengers.

Item 204; PRR 3826 was rebuilt in sometime during 1937, by PRR-Altoona from an original P70 coach, number unknown. When rebuilt 1 vestibule was enclosed, and mechanical AC, a modernized roof, as well as 84 walkover seats were installed. The original window format was kept, but sashes were sealed.

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 1:38 pm 

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I will guess Renovo is the location for photo 201, not long after PRR started painting its MoW equipment there in the 1960s.

In the 1980s the museum in Altoona had a very similar car there - could this possibly be the same car?

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 Post subject: Re: Al Chione Slides
PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:18 pm 
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First, thanks to Richard and Chris for all the info!

Second, 2 corrections on previously posted photos:

Photo #38 of GN baggage-dormitory #1200 was taken at Chicago.

Photo #184 of AT&SF diner #1474 Cochiti: I had stated that this photo was taken either close to or in Denver; this was indeed in Denver, as confirmed by the power pole on the far left above the GN chair.

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Photo #205: Plan #4060A 6S-6DB sleeper #8580 Poplar Heights (Lot #4624, 1921, rebuilt in 1937 from Plan #2411C 12S-1DR-1C Antiphon). Withheld from lease on 2/14/1966, and listed by Wayner as sold to Railcar Leasing Corporation. This car has not been mentioned before in the "Surviving Pullman" thread; does anybody know if this car is still extant? Thanks in advance! Photo likely taken in Denver.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4142114

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Photo #206: Class D85c full diner #4622 (Budd, 1949, Congressional/Senator). 4 seat waiting lounge at left side, 2 sections of 8 tables each (64 seats) divided by a center bar with 2 2-seat tables. The #4622 was paired with Class D85d kitchen-dormitory #4623, semi-permanently connected at the right side with an accordion-style full-width diaphragm. #4623 had an 18 bunk dormitory and a steward's room with lower and upper bunks. #4622/#4623 to Amtrak in 1972 as #8806/#8807, retired (when??) and stored at Beech Grove until sold (when??) to Great Smoky Mountains RR, the #4622/#8806 was named Dixie Flyer, later renamed Southland, and is now named Harper; the #4623/#8807 is used as a concessions car and named Conductors Cafe. GSMR does not have the 2 cars connected. Photographed in Chicago on the same day as photo #6 in CB&Q's 14th Street coach yard.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4142115

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Photo #207: Class PS11 Plan #9542 11DB sleeper PC #4381 Elberton (Budd, 1949). Built as Class PS106b Plan #9503 10RM-6DB PRR #8337 for the SAL pool, rebuilt to the one-and-only Class PS11 sleeper in 1959. To Amtrak in 1973 as #2239, stored at Beech Grove in 1981, current status/location unknown. Photograph location unknown.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4142116

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Photo #208: Class D85c full diner #4594 (PRR Altoona, 1948). Same configuration as #4622 above, paired with Class D85dR kitchen-dormitory #4595 (same configuration as #4623). The #4594/#4595 were scrapped in 1967. Photographed in Chicago on Saturday, June 22nd, 1963.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4142117

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