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 Post subject: Al Nippert & New Georgia: What Did They Own?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:21 am 
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Tim Andrews wrote:
Does anyone actually have the New Georgia roster? It would be interesting to cross reference the sale list.

Stephen S. Syfrett wrote:
Tim, I don't have the complete New Georgia roster, and they purchased a bunch of cars after I left the Georgia Building Authority in late 1986. I once tried to put a roster together but finally gave up.

Stephen S. Syfrett wrote:
Maybe we should start a separate thread for the New Georgia Railroad equipment?

Tim Andrews wrote:
I think we should work on Nippert and/or New Georgia cars next. Nippert collected the equivilant of the IP (well maybe not quite that much) and had the same idea. These were two of the largest collections of cars, outside of Amtrak, Sou, AUT or VIA to go on the market in the 1980/90s.


Well, with a few requests over in the "Surviving SOU Lightweight Cars" thread, I thought I'd go ahead and start a thread concerning both the cars owned by Alfred K. Nippert through his Gator Rail Tours, and the cars owned over the years by the New Georgia Railroad which based its passenger operations out of the old Pullman shops in Atlanta.

There are three sections of cars listed below: cars owned by Nippert-Gator Rail, cars owned by both Nippert and New Georgia, and cars owned by New Georgia. I don't have too much info concerning either operation, so the following roster listing is only a sample. Anyone with further knowledge feel free to add to the rosters.

Cars Owned by Nippert-Gator Rail Tours:

UP 57 seat dome lounge observation (blunt end) #9005 constructed in 3/1955 by AC&F in Lot #4096 (assigned to the City of Portland). Sold to Auto Train Corporation in 6/1972 as AUT #904 (not applied?). Sold to Anbel Corporation in 1981, which defaulted on #904 and it was sold to Passenger Car Associates. Sold to Nippert in 1983. Reacquired by UP in 3/1988 and renumbered to UPP* #9005. Renovated in 1989 and named "Harriman" (2nd). Renamed to "Walter Dean" in 1990. Amtrak registration #800621.

*UPP is the reporting mark used by Union Pacific for their passenger car fleet.

UP 57 seat dome lounge observation (blunt end) #9007 constructed in 3/1955 by AC&F in Lot #4096 (assigned to the City of Portland). Sold to Auto Train Corporation in 6/1972 as AUT #906. Reconfigured to "Dome Night Club" in 1973 as #542. Sold to Nippert in 12/1981. Sold to White Auto Parts in Kissimee, FL, in 1982. Sold to Northern Rail Car in 1987. Reconfigured as dome diner lounge observation (open platform) for Wisconsin & Southern as WSOR #9007 "Northern View". Amtrak registration #800148. Sold 7/2001 to John Kirkwood-Rail Ventures as RVIX #800148 "Glacier Park". Used on AOE and MRRT. Sold 10/2004 to Patrick Henry-Creative Charters as WRHX #800148 "Warren R. Henry".

UP 57 seat dome lounge observation (blunt end) #9010 constructed in 4/1955 by AC&F in Lot #4096 (assigned to the City of St. Louis). Sold to Auto Train Corporation in 6/1972 as AUT #909 (not applied). Sold to Anbel Corporation in 1981, which defaulted on #909 and it was sold to Passenger Car Associates. Sold to Nippert in 1983. During this entire time, the car was not moveable (trucks removed?) from its storage location in the Sanford yard, and it was later barged out with other cars into the Gulf of Mexico and sunk to create an artificial reef. Anyone know the ID's of the other cars? And did anyone have time to remove usable parts from #909?

CB&Q dome buffet lounge #253 "Silver Cup" constructed in 1956 by Budd in Lot #9657-169 (assigned to the Denver Zephyr) to BN #805 (not applied) to Amtrak in 1971 as #9813. Retired 10/1981. Sold to Nippert in 1/1982 as GRTX #9813. Sold to Denver Railcar at unknown date for use on the Roaring Fork Railroad. Sold to Robert Menzies-Carolina Leasing in 6/1999. Moved to Illinois Transit Assembly for repair work to dome area after suffering fire damage. Sold to Les Kasten-ITAX in 4/2003. Sold to private owner in 6/2004. Current whereabouts??

CB&Q dome buffet lounge #254 "Silver Kettle" constructed in 1956 by Budd in Lot #9657-169 (assigned to the Denver Zephyr) to BN #806 (not applied) to Amtrak in 1971 as #9814. Retired 10/1981. Sold to Nippert in 1/1982. Sold to VIA Rail in 1987 as #518. Stripped in preparation for interior reconfiguration but work was halted and car was stored at Montreal. Sold to Gateway Coach and moved to Illinois in 12/2006. Current whereabouts?? Parts source? Scrapped?

GN 28 seat coach-24 seat diner #1146 constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3124 (assigned to the International) to BN to Amtrak in 1971 as #8401. To MofW as #16308 at unknown date. Sold at unknown date to Nippert. To Louisiana Railroad Heritage Trust in Kenner, LA. Car exterior was stripped and primed in preparation for repainting, but that never occurred. Sold to Bob Moen at unknown date and moved to Hooper, NE. Bob had the car painted, one side in Empire Builder and the other side in Big Sky Blue. The car was then moved to storage in Randolph, MN. Bob sold the car to Eric Hopp in 2001. Eric had the car moved (as ERIX #1146) to the Minnesota Transportation Museum at the Jackson Street Roundhouse in St. Paul. Car has had metal replacement work (salt air!) and electrical rewiring (some of the components had been intended for SP business car #100 "Airslie") done over the last several years. The long term plan is for use on MTM's excursions and for eventual Amtrak HEP installation (for use with "St. Nicholas Mountain", perhaps?).

ACL 14RM-2DR sleeper "Ogeechee River" constructed in 2/1950 by AC&F in Lot #3091 to Plan #9006 (assigned to the Champion). Reconfigured in 7/1961 to 7DB-2DR sleeper "Humming Bird" to Plan #9018. To SCL #6202. To Amtrak in 1971 as #2302. Retired 1979. Sold to Nippert at unknown date. To Louisiana Railroad Heritage Trust in Kenner, LA, at unknown date. Current status? Sold? Scrapped?

ACL 6DB buffet lounge sleeper "Virginia Beach" constructed in 11/1949 by AC&F in Lot #3090 to Plan #9002. To SCL #6607. To Amtrak 1971 as #3227. Retired 8/1977. Sold to Delaware Otsego-NYS&W at unknown date as #900. Sold to Nippert at unknown date as GRTX #3193 and stored on the Morristown & Erie at Whippany, NJ. Amtrak registration #800317. To Louisiana Railroad Heritage Trust in Kenner, LA, at unknown date. Current status? Sold? Scrapped?

SAL 10RM-6DB sleeper #30 "Columbia" constructed in 6/1949 by P-S in Lot #6796 to Plan #4140A. To SCL #6613. To Amtrak in 1971 as #2772. Retired 2/1981. Sold to Nippert at unknown date. To Louisiana Railroad Heritage Trust in Kenner, LA, at unknown date. Current status? Sold? Scrapped?

SAL 6DB buffet lounge sleeper #17 "Kennesaw Mountain" constructed in 8/1949 by AC&F in Lot #3045 to Plan #9003. Renamed to "Hollywood Beach" (2nd)* in 10/1967. To SCL #6600. To Amtrak in 1971 as #3220. Retired 7/1981. Sold to Nippert at unknown date. To Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum at unknown date.

*"Hollywood Beach" (1st) was one of the three unique "Sun Room" 5DB buffet lounge sleepers constructed in 1956 by P-S for SAL. As a side note, the "Hollywood Beach" (1st) is the only one of the two surviving "Sun Room" sleepers in regular charter service. The "Hollywood Beach" (1st) had been renamed to "Sun Ray" also in 10/1967.

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2001 "Altamaha River" constructed in 8/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Royal Palm). To Amtrak in 1971 as #2814. Assigned to NYC-LA transcontinental through sleeper service. Retired in 1979 and stored in Old Mexico Yard in Los Angeles. Sold to Nippert at unknown date. Car was not moved from Los Angeles. Sold to Rod Basich. Sold to Bill & Debbie Hatrick. Stored in Anaheim, CA.

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2002 "Dan River" constructed in 8/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plane #4140 (assigned to the Crescent). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2850. Sold in 2/1982 to Nippert as GRTX #2850. To George Stricker at unknown date as STRX #2850. To Louisiana Railroad Heritage Trust in Kenner, LA, in 1985? Recently scrapped (when?).

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2003 "Catawba River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Crescent). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2864. Sold in 2/1982 to Nippert as GRTX #2864 and stored on the Morristown & Erie at Whippany, NJ. Amtrak registration #800063. To North Carolina Transportation Museum at unknown date.

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2005 "Flint River" constructed in 8/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Royal Palm). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2852. Sold 2/1982 to Nippert as GRTX #4199 and stored on the Morristown & Erie at Whippany, NJ. Amtrak registration #800101. To Louisiana Railroad Heritage Trust in Kenner, LA, in 1985? To Southwest Georgia Railroad Excursion Authority in 2004 as SWGX #2005. Moved by NS via live rail from storage in Kenner, LA, to Americus, GA. SWGREA operates the SAM excursion train over the Heart of Georgia Railroad, and the "Flint River" is stored in their yard at Americus.

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2011 "Rivanna River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Crescent). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2865. Retired before 4/1983 (when it was put up for sale). Sold to Nippert at unknown date. To Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum at unknown date. To Texas State Railroad.

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2013 "Seneca River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Crescent). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2856. Retired before 4/1983 (when it was put up for sale). Sold to Nippert at unknown date. To Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum at unknown date.

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2016 "St. Johns River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Royal Palm). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2866. Retired before 4/1983 (when it was put up for sale). Sold to Nippert at unknown date. To Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum at unknown date. To Don Earley's "Little Wedding Chapel at Union Station" in Dora, AL, at unknown date and renamed "E.J. Earley".

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2020 "Tye River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Crescent). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2860. Sold 12/1981 to Nippert. To Indiana Railway Museum at unknown date.

CNO&TP 10RM-6DB sleeper #3401 "French Broad River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Royal Palm). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2862. Sold 11/1982 to Nippert as GRTX #2862. Amtrak registration #800128. To Cincinnati Historical Society at unknown date. To Railway Exposition Company at unknown date. The Railway Exposition Company later became the Railway Museum of Greater Cincinnati, which is located in Latonia, KY.

Cars Owned by Both Nippert and New Georgia:

RF&P 6DB buffet lounge sleeper #410 "Colonial Beach" constructed in 12/1949 by AC&F in Lot #3093 to Plan #9002 (for ACL pool service). To Amtrak in 1971 as #3228 and renamed "William A. Griffin, Jr." Retired 7/1981. Sold to Nippert at unknown date. To New Georgia RR at unknown date. Does anyone know who purchased this car at the NGRR auction in 8/1995?

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2008 "Pacolet River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Crescent). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2853. Sold 2/1982 to Nippert. To New Georgia RR in 1985? Sold to private owner (8/1995 auction?) and used at the Tennessee Central Railway Museum as TCRX #2853.

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2015 "Rappahannock River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Royal Palm). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2858. Retired before 4/1983 (when it was put up for sale). Sold to Nippert at unknown date. Amtrak registration #800268. To New Georgia RR in 1985? Sold at the 8/1995 auction to a private owner in Waycross, GA.

CNO&TP 10RM-6DB sleeper #3400 "Emory River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Royal Palm). To Amtrak in 1979 as #2867. Sold 11/1982 to Nippert. To New Georgia RR in 1985? Sold at the 8/1995 auction to Ken Keeler, a passenger car parts dealer based in Washington State.

Cars Owned by New Georgia Railroad:

NYC 10RM-6DB sleeper #10223 "Scioto River" constructed in 2/1949 by P-S in Lot #6790 to Plan #4123. Sold to CN in 3/1965 as #2092 "Hay River" to VIA 4/1/78 as #2092 (same name). Sold to private owner at unknown date. Amtrak registration #800032. To New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #2000. Sold at 8/1995 auction to private owners in Easley, South Carolina. Reconfigured in 1997 to buffet lounge sleeper (roomettes removed) and named "Palmetto State". Sold to private owner in California in 2006.

PRR 54 seat coach #4046 constructed in 1946 by Budd in Lot #9613-008 (for ACL pool service). To PC #4046. To Amtrak as #5426. Retired at unknown date. Sold to New Georgia RR in 7/1986 as NGRX #1500. Amtrak registration #800400.

Pullman parlor observation "Helena Modjeska" constructed in 1/1927 in Lot #6038 to Plan #3957A. Assigned to the Wabash as of 6/1932. Sold to Wabash on 12/31/1945 and leased to Pullman. Renamed "City of Lafayette" in 4/1954. Withdrawn from Pullman lease in 8/1956. To N&W in 10/1964 as #700 "Lafayette". Sold to Clinchfield RR at unknown date as CRR #114 "White Oak". To Seaboard System 1/1983 as SBD #114 "Oak Ridge". Sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #114? "Blue Ridge". Sold to private owner at unknown date (auction?) in Fernandina Beach, FL and painted as Seaboard "Fernandina". To New Orleans Public Belt RR at unknown date as NOPB "City of New Orleans".

ACL 54 seat coach #237 constructed in 1950 by P-S in Lot #6808 to Plan #7593. To SCL #5459. To Amtrak in 1971 as #5459. Retired 7/1981. Sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1508. Reconfigured to lounge as #100. Amtrak registration #800397. Sold to Western Maryland Scenic Railroad at unknown date (auction?) as WMSR #850 "Howard O. Hovatter".

ACL business car #307 (anyone know the builder and date?). To SCL #307. To New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1000. Amtrak registration #800402.

FEC 54 seat coach "Cocoa-Rockledge" constructed in 1954 by P-S in Lot #6950 to Plan #7593C (for ACL pool service). To SAL in 1965 as #6274. To SCL #5477. To Amtrak in 1971 as #5477. Retired at unknown date. Sold to New Georgia RR in 2/1984 as NGRX #1509. Renumbered to #1964? Amtrak registration #800398. Sold to Western Maryland Scenic Railroad at unknown date (auction?) as WMSR #851 "Richard E. Markle".

A&WP 10RM-6DB sleeper "Chattahoochee River" constructed in 10/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Crescent). Sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date. To East Tennessee Railcar at unknown date. To Southern Appalachia Railway Museum at unknown date. To private owner for use as a parts source at unknown date.

SOU 10RM-6DB sleeper #2019 "Tugalo River" constructed in 9/1949 by P-S in Lot #6814 to Plan #4140 (assigned to the Crescent). Retained by SOU. To NS in 1982 as #17. Sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date (the NS equipment auction? When was the auction?). To Atlanta Chapter NRHS at unknown date and located at their Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth, GA.

CNO&TP coach #3780 sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1104. Disposition??

Pullman 10S-2DR sleeper "Point Richards" constructed in 5/1926 in Lot #4961 to Plan #3584A. Sold to SOU 12/31/1948 and leased to Pullman. Withheld from lease 7/21/1952. Rebuilt to power car #BC-2 in approx. 1953. Renumbered to #960605. Retained by SOU. To NS in 1982 as #26. Sold to New Georgia RR in 1990? as NGRX #1402. Sold at 8/1995 auction to John Kirkwood-Montana Daylight as #1402. Sold at unknown date to Dr. Louis Steplock as WPRX #1402. Stored at Willamette & Pacific Railroad (WPRR) Albany Yard in Albany, OR. Dr. Steplock also owns ex-GN Ranch Car #1241 "Running Crane Lake", which is leased to WPRR for use with their ex-AT&SF business car #35 "Casper Mountain" (ex-AT&SF #57, nee-#35).

CofG baggage #458 constructed in 1945 by AC&F in Lot #2727. To SOU in 6/1963. To Savannah Chapter NRHS at unknown date and repainted for use in an American Red Cross blood drive. To New Georgia RR at unknown date. Stored next to tender for L&N #1966. Disposition?? Sold? Scrapped?

CofG coach #651 constructed by Bethlehem Steel (year?). Sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1111. Disposition??

T&P coach (unk. #) to Northwestern Oklahoma RR (unk. #) to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1103. Sold to Great Smoky Mountains Railroad at unknown date (auction?) as GSMR #6113? Renumbered and named to #1103 "Crescent Limited".

MKT coach #884 to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1101. Sold to Kentucky Railway Museum at unknown date (auction?) as KRM #884.

AT&SF 44 seat leg rest coach (chair) #2937 constructed in 1950 by P-S in Lot #6842 to Plan #7503A (assigned to the El Capitan). To Amtrak in 1971 as #4540. Retired 10/1981. Sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date. Sold to Great Miami Railroad in 1993? as FLSX #2937. Stored at unknown date on the Southwest Pennsylvania Railroad in Scottdale, PA. Burned by vandals on 9/4/2011.

AT&SF coach (unk. #) constructed by Budd to Amtrak (unk. #). To New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1502. Amtrak registration #800120. Sold to Great Miami Railroad in 1993? as FLSX #1502. Stored at unknown date on the Southwest Pennsylvania Railroad in Scottdale, PA.

UP 44 seat leg rest coach (chair) #5415, constructed in 8/1950 by P-S in Lot #6844 to Plan #7617. Retired and sold in 12/1971 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5415. Retired and sold in 1987 to Northern Rail Car. Sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1511. Renumbered to #2001? Current whereabouts??

UP 44 seat leg rest coach (chair) #5416, constructed in 8/1950 by P-S in Lot #6844 to Plan #7617. Retired and sold in 12/1971 to Alaska Railroad as ARR #5416. Retired and sold in 1987 to Northern Rail Car. Sold to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1512. Renumbered to #2002? Sold at 8/1995 auction to Florida Gulf Coast Railroad Museum (now the Florida Railroad Museum) as FGCX #2002.

Sources:

1. Sleeper information from Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

2. Amtrak information from "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon. Ordering info at: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf

3. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links at: http://passcarphotos.info/

4. Pictures located at: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/

5. UP roster information from Don Strack's Utah Rails at: http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-index.php

6. Dome information from Phil Dohmen's DOME MAIN at: http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/WebLurkersDOMEmain/

Questions:

1. What was the method used for New Georgia's numbering system?

2. Were any of the cars owned by New Georgia used on the SOU-NS steam excursions?

3. Were the three ex-Wabash domes (owned by Don Williams) considered part of the New Georgia roster? Are they still in Duluth?

4. Were there any other private cars that were kept at the Pullman shops?

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:49 am 

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According to my notes, New Georgia briefly owned a pair of ex-DL&W MU coaches:

New Georgia #1201 - built Pullman 1930 as motorized MU coach DL&W #2602, to EL #3602 in 1961, to CR #3602 in 1976, to Hartwell Railway 1984, to New Georgia #1201 in 1985, to Central Western Railway (#934?) in 1987, to Alberta Prairie Railway Excursions in 1990

New Georgia #1202 - built Pullman 1930 as motorized MU coach DL&W #2627, to EL #3627 in 1961, to CR #3627 in 1976, to Hartwell Railway 1984, to New Georgia #1202 in 1985, to Central Western Railway (#978?) in 1987, to Alberta Prairie Railway Excursions in 1990

Most of this information is from an old Canadian Trackside Guide and I'm not positive on the cars' CWR or DLW numbers; more information or corrections would be much appreciated.

*Edited to correct name of APRE

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Thanks, Frank, for the info on the two Lackawanna MU's!

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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Rainier Rails wrote:
3. Were the three ex-Wabash domes (owned by Don Williams) considered part of the New Georgia roster? Are they still in Duluth?


Thanks in advance.



Two of the three domes have been sold. The dome-obs is still at the museum and is on display. Don owns additional equipment which is also stored at SRM, not sure how much of it was stored at Pullman.

A couple of minor corrections: Southern 3780 (NGRR 1104), CofG 651 (NGRR 1111), and ACL 307 were owned by the Atlanta Chapter and leased to the New Georgia. They were returned to the museum when the NGRR folded, along with the steam engines and the E8.

Atlanta Chapter's ex-BN commissary, 206, was also used primarily on the NGRR trains. It was painted Tuscan and used on NS trips for a year or so after the demise of the New Georgia.

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Here are those two Lackawanna mu trailers on an April 1986 excursion from Erwin,Tn to Spartanburg,SC. This is in the Nolichucky gorge at the TN/NC state line. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=3626299


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Stopped in the loops with a hotbox on one of the mu trailers. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=3626300


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Correct or not, the New Georgia recorded the original numbers on the DL&W cars purchased with the other Hartwell Railroad equipment as follows:

NGRR 1201, DL&W 4602
NGRR 1202, DL&W 4627

These DL&W numbers were also published in the Feb. 1989 issue of Trains magazine, which also reports they were sold in 1987.

These cars came from the Hartwell with the pantographs on top and traction motors, but the NGRR removed them soon after they started being used.

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MKT coach #884 to New Georgia RR at unknown date as NGRX #1101. Sold to Kentucky Railway Museum at unknown date (auction?) as KRM #884.


This car (and coach 1102, ex-MKT 904) came from the Hartwell Railroad, was originally MKT 911, to Northwestern Oklahoma Railroad to Hartwell Railroad to New Georgia Railroad in 1985. It was sold during the New Georgia Railroad equipment auction on Thursday, August 24, 1995. As reported in the "Surviving Southern LW Cars" thread, the 1102 (along with William Griffin, Jr. and Rappahannock River) was on jack stands at the time of the auction and the 1102 trucks went to Great Smoky Mountains while the body went to a private owner, along with the Rappahannock River body, to a farm in southeast Georgia.

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I have gone back to TVRM's records and found when we got our four cars from Nippert in 1989. That year would probably be the same for the cars that went to New Georgia and NCTM. Our Hollywood Beach was traded to KRS.

Some updates for both the Nippert List and the Southern list.
Holston River and Shenandoah River where apparently owned by Nippert from 1982-1987 when they went to Old Kenner. They came to TVRM straight from South Philadelphia in 1987 so it looks like they were stored there for five years so that explains their condition. Old Kenner traded the two cars for a Baldwin VO1000 which never left Chattanooga. TVRM bought it back sometime later.

Somewhere I ahve the inspection report that was made when we went and looked at the Nippert cars in McComb and New Orleans. IIRC correctly we took notes on everyhting, even the cars we were not getting.

I think a couple of cars when to IRM at French Link, I'll see if I can figure out which ones.

Here is the transcription of the New Georgia Sales list. I did not list the prices but everything else is just like it was hand written on the list. After this many years I'm not sure where the list came from.

1101 Heavyweight to KRM
1103 GSMRR
1102 Dave Barnhardt
2000 NYC sleeper 10&6 Doesn't say who it went to
1504 WMSRR
NS 17 "older Person"
2867 Sou 10&6 Ken Kesler & co Montana
2853 Sou 10&6 Ken Osten-Nashville Group
2858 Sou 10&6 N.Orleans Chapter for wheels alone
1512 Florida Central
1511 Florida Central
100 WMSRR (my note-I suspect this is really 1000)
1964 Doesn't say who it went to
1509 Florida Central
1402 Power Car Montana Rail via Ken Kesler
6902 Broadway dinner Train nashville
1506 WMSRR
1503 Florida Central
1502 "out of Michigan Area"
1103 Heavyweight GSMRR
1505 "out of Michigan Area"
1101 KRM
2001 UPRR WMSRR
2002 UPRR Jim Herron-Tampa Fla
Unk# Switch engine Barnhardt & Co
3228 Doesn't say anything else

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Thanks to Frank Hicks, Andrew Durden, John Winkler, Steve Syfrett, and Tim Andrews for the responses!

Does anyone have further information on the histories/origins of the New Georgia cars? Many of them I've been able to figure out, but some remain a mystery:

#1103. Ex-NOKL, nee-T&P. Did it also come to NGRR via Hartwell? Does anyone know the T&P/MP number(s)?

#1502. Ex-AT&SF Budd coach. Anyone know the number? Sold to Great Miami RR as FLSX #1502.

#1503. No information.

#1504. No information.

#1505. No information.

#1506. No information.

#1509. From what I found, the first #1509 was renumbered to #1964 and was sold to WMSR. So what's the history of the second #1509?

AT&SF #2937. P-S 44 seat coach, 1950. Also to Great Miami RR. Does anyone know what number it carried on the NGRR?

#6902. No information.

From what I found, the car listed as #100 to WMSR was formerly the #1508.

I found information on the Budd twin diner:

PRR #4624-#4625 built in 1952 by Budd in Lots #9666-110 & #9643-110 (assigned to the Congressionals). To PC #4624-#4625. To New Georgia RR at unknown date as #1511-#1512 (which one was which?). Sold to Florida Central at 8/1995 auction as FCEN #301-#300. Sold to Aberdeen, Carolina & Western in 2002 as ACWR #301-#300.

Were there additional cars owned by New Georgia that were sold before the auction?

Also, does anyone have a complete list of what Nippert acquired over the years?

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Al Nippert & New Georgia: What Did They Own?
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I just found a GATOR Route equipment list dated 2/1/83 that Al Nippert left for someone at TVRM. I'm going to cross reference it to the inspection report that TVRM's Jim Miller did in 1989 and a couple of other references that I have as well and see if that doesn't create a pretty complete list. I will say this, Al Nippert should be prominently listed on the Southern Lightweight listing as it looks like he was owner of more River series cars then have been previously mentioned. This is going to take awhile so I don't know if it will get done tonight or not.

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Also, does anyone have a complete list of what Nippert acquired over the years?


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I just found a GATOR Route equipment list dated 2/1/83 that Al Nippert left for someone at TVRM. I'm going to cross reference it to the inspection report that TVRM's Jim Miller did in 1989 and a couple of other references that I have as well and see if that doesn't create a pretty complete list. I will say this, Al Nippert should be prominently listed on the Southern Lightweight listing as it looks like he was owner of more River series cars then have been previously mentioned. This is going to take awhile so I don't know if it will get done tonight or not.

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Thanks, Tim!

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Scioto River - 10 roomette/6 Bedroom Sleeping Car - Pullman constructed in 2/1949 by P-S in Lot #6790 to Plan #4123. 1 of 97 cars in River series. #10223. Sold to Canadian National in 3/1965 as #2092 "Hay River". To VIA 4/1/78 as #2092 (same name). Retired 3/82. Sold to Excursion Lines Limited of Rochester, NY 2/83. To New Georgia Railroad as #2000 1987. Sold to Tom Whitted of Easley, SC at NGRR auction 8/95. Amtrak # 800032. Converted to Sleeper-Lounge with removal of 9 of 10 roomettes. Named Palmetto State. Sold 3/2006 to Roger and Gloria Stabler of Woodland, CA. Extensively rebuilt. 9/2008, named Two Rivers and repainted into NYC original colors. Remains Sleeper-Lounge, with 6 Bedrooms/1 Roomette.

Shown at Woodland, CA on 9/15/2013, preparing for 2013 AAPRCO convention train, with former Canadian National touring car Burrard.


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Scioto River - 10 roomette/6 Bedroom Sleeping Car - Pullman constructed in 2/1949 by P-S in Lot #6790 to Plan #4123. 1 of 97 cars in River series. #10223. Sold to Canadian National in 3/1965 as #2092 "Hay River". To VIA 4/1/78 as #2092 (same name). Retired 3/82. Sold to Excursion Lines Limited of Rochester, NY 2/83. To New Georgia Railroad as #2000 1987. Sold to Tom Whitted of Easley, SC at NGRR auction 8/95. Amtrak # 800032. Converted to Sleeper-Lounge with removal of 9 of 10 roomettes. Named Palmetto State. Sold 3/2006 to Roger and Gloria Stabler of Woodland, CA. Extensively rebuilt. 9/2008, named Two Rivers and repainted into NYC original colors. Remains Sleeper-Lounge, with 6 Bedrooms/1 Roomette.

Shown at Woodland, CA on 9/15/2013, preparing for 2013 AAPRCO convention train, with former Canadian National touring car Burrard.


Thanks, Pullman, for the update!

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Of course, when I think of the NGRR, the first thing that always comes to mind is the short-lived but funky "extra headlight" they applied to the ex-Southern E unit, as pictured here:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=166122&nseq=7


The 1101/884 at KRM was and remains a very nice car. NG had redone the interior, an Onan generator powered the HVAC and lighting. One of the restroom lounges had been converted to a refreshment stand, with a serving window cut into the wall. It wore New Georgia paint at KRM for about 8 years, complete with Georgia Building Authority heralds, until it was renumbered back to 884 and received a MKT-esque repaint. The car wasn't and I do not think it is still lettered for anything.

From the "Why do I still remember this?" department, the 1102 was even pictured in the auction brochure as being on jack stands in the shop. What kind of work was being done to it? If it was anything like the 1101, it is a shame it ended up on a farm somewhere.

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the 1102 was even pictured in the auction brochure as being on jack stands in the shop. What kind of work was being done to it? If it was anything like the 1101, it is a shame it ended up on a farm somewhere.


David, the 1102 was actually shown on shop trucks, and looking more carefully at my photo taken the day of the auction, it was definitely on shop trucks, not jack stands. Unfortunately, the result was the same for the car. Literally put out to pasture.

I never found out what was being done to 1102 just prior to the auction, but the interior modifications to 1101 had also been done to 1102 within the first year of NGRR operations, so my guess is it was truck rebuilds or something similar. Pretty sure the 1102 also had a genset mounted. The auction company's decision to sell the 1102 body separate from the trucks was the death of the car. In one sense, it was a practical decision to sell the cars that were off their trucks the way they did: there was no more money to be able to pay anyone to put them back together, and they wanted everything off the Pullman Shops property very quickly. But considering they got $18,500 for the intact 1101, it might have been worth a few thousand dollars to reassemble 1102, which sold in pieces brought only $6000 from the various notes I have and have been told.

Actually, the reason I went through the effort to find and contact the owner of 1102 and Rappahannock River back in 2002 was to try and get the 1102...didn't really care about getting R.River. Considering both cars have been "down on the farm" for close to 20 years now, there's no telling what kind of shape they are in.

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