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 Post subject: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016 on Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhcXPWaWUFc&t=2s

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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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Great to see, thanks for the link.


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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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It's great to see a "chicken coop" come back to life. Congratulations to all involved! Where did you find the truck and electrical equipment for it?


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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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According to their website, they picked up the truck from the Lake Shore Electric group along with other parts that were being "disbursed". It was originally off of a horsedrawn DuPont car later converted to electric, it says they sent the truck to PA for a rebuild and reconfiguration, I would guess that means Brookville did it:

http://www.trolleyride.org/CHSL_Main/Cu ... 1_sup2.pdf
http://www.trolleyride.org/CHSL_Main/ro ... ona10.html


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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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PMC wrote:
I would guess that means Brookville did it:


Lyons Industries of Ebensburg, PA did the truck work. ACE Electric of Bangor, Maine did the motor work on the ancient GE-800 motors. Lyons did a good job, stretching the wheelbase to 8-feet, replacing the axles, wheels, gears/pinions and most of the steel and cast iron castings. It's probably 90% new.

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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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Thanks for the info. It sure is a nice looking car!


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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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If the truck is 90% new why bother with the rebuild? A historic artifact was destroyed for no reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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Its value as an historic artifact was limited to static display, in a seriously degraded state. Unless there is great value in keeping the contents of a museum's 'Rotten Row' as they are, then replacing unusable material to return it to operation is a good choice. It made it possible for a 'chicken coop' to run again, so that's good enough for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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The real tragedy is that the truck and motors came from a Lancaster, Ohio streetcar that began life as a horsecar. It was a very early conversion to electric power, as evidenced by the trucks, motors, and controllers. This car ended up in the collection at the Ohio Historical Society in Columbus, who decided to "restore" the car back to a horsecar, which involved creation of many new parts. While the car looks nice, I doubt there isn't much historic fabric left in it.

Absent being displayed on the car it ran with, I'm glad MSM was able to find a good use for it, as it closely duplicates the original St. Louis truck under the car.

Here's a photo of the Lancaster car the truck came from:

http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/odds/oh/htm/ltp01.htm

On a side note, the OHS allegedly has a second Lancaster car in its collection, an open car. It is not on display. Has anyone seen it? Is it this car?

http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/odds/oh/htm/ltp03.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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I visited OHS and saw the Lancaster open car in storage. It was packed in with other objects and my photos did not show much detail. I recall it looked like most vintage cars that are tucked away in other museum collections.

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I remember the Lancaster cars were a "barn find", weren't they? I am thinking they appeared in a news item somewhere 15 years ago. Where was it? Here on RYPN?

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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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wilkinsd wrote:
On a side note, the OHS allegedly has a second Lancaster car in its collection, an open car. It is not on display. Has anyone seen it? Is it this car?


I recall reading somewhere that the Lancaster, Ohio open car was also a single truck car. It's a shame that the car in the photo isn't restored and running. It's pretty cool.

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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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Here’s what that delightfully decrepit Toonerville Trolley looks like today, all spiffed up and sterilized:

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/ ... -1-700.jpg

As Brother David said, probably not much original fabric there.

This link includes a link to a rather poor image of the stored open car.
http://www.bera.org/cgi-bin/pnaerc-quer ... agelen=200

Attached is the Ohio History Center’s data card for the open car.

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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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Larry, thanks for posting the catalog sheet for Lancaster 3. I hadn't seen that before and it's pretty interesting. I thought the open car was built in 1882 but the sheet implies it was 1888; I wonder if there's any way to know for sure. I'm also curious about the car's control and motors. If memory serves the car that was rebuilt/backdated to a horsecar had Type E controllers (predecessor to the Type K controller) which I believe are the only existing examples of that type - with the possible exception of car 3 (?).

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 Post subject: Re: Winona Streetcar No. 10 Operational Test, Nov. 29, 2016
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To respond to the earlier message, I believe a photo of the two Lancaster OH single-truckers, as barn finds, was included in an early L&RP publication. Sorry I no longer have a collection to do the research.


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