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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:25 pm 

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And it's no "secret":

https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/w ... rain-cars/


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:27 pm 

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Those minimum bids are somewhat "optimistic", I'd say. Great idea, to balance the State budget with sale of old railcars...

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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:38 pm 

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...Well, one last possible reprieve for those cars, "ahead of the torch".


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:38 pm 

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This one might be a good deal considering how much rebuild has already been done and the clean out. Wish I had a place to put it. They won't get 75,000 but I would go 50 if I had the place.

https://www.ncstatesurplus.com/NCStateSurplusAuction/Listing/Details/10496392/Passenger-Railcar-Shell-RNCX-400015-Raleigh-NC

When they say no help in co-ordinating it getting out, that is a turn off. How many cars have to be shuffled to get that one out ?


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:42 pm 

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ZOBEX wrote:
When they say no help in co-ordinating it getting out, that is a turn off. How many cars have to be shuffled to get that one out ?


That usually means "no cranes, no bulldozers, no trucks, no forklifts, no employee labor, etc. provided on site to load your lots." This usually applies to more typical "state surplus" and auction lots such as a car, truck, shelving, computers, file cabinets, office furniture, scrap metal, dishes, etc.

On the other hand, if they say "*You have 10 CALENDAR DAYS to pay for and pick up items.*" then they damned well BETTER have a switcher (or other means of moving) ready any day to position a car for retrieval!

It's been my personal experience that, in many/most cases of this nature, when you're dealing with something that you can't load into a truck or hook up to a truck and tow, especially if you've actually paid tens of thousands of dollars for the lot, the sellers--even a bureaucracy--CAN be quite flexible, understanding that you don't grab an oversize truck permit or arrange a pick-up by CSX/NS overnight. As long as you are clearly seen to be working with due diligence towards "timely" removal ASAP, they MAY work with you. That "10 days" MAY be routine boilerplate added to every such auction.
(But don't count on that.)


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:26 pm 

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Out of curiosity, what happened to their plans?

I seem to recall that they were going to be buying their first new coaches a while back. Are these being sidelined due to a shift in strategy towards new rolling stock, or perhaps responding to a perceived decline in demand for their services over the next few years due to current events?


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:32 pm 

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LeoA wrote:
Out of curiosity, what happened to their plans?


The State received a $156 million Federal grant for new passenger rolling stock, eliminating the "need" to rebuild older rolling stock for their passenger service expansion plans.

The acquisition of the RBBX cars was viewed by those who "knew" as a way to hedge bets in case said grant never came through. The total investment on this rolling stock plus rebuild would have been far less than $156 million (probably more like $20 million once state accountants got through with it), but then you'd still be dealing with decades-old car bodies, trucks, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:34 pm 

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Thanks

I just saw that in the linked CBS news story. I had opened it but had forgotten to read it until noticing it open on my PC moments ago.

It's too bad for those of us that appreciate that 50+ year old rolling stock can still be rebuilt and provide useful and safe service in the 2020's, but certainly is a win for NCDOT to be able to buy brand new coaches.

I wonder if Union Pacific will be interested in any of these. I doubt they're eyeing any expansion of their executive fleet, but there's potentially a lot of useful parts on these like truck components that are probably useful for their onetime fleetmates still at Union Pacific.


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:36 pm 

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The auction photos are a rare opportunity to see what the inside of the RBBX train looked like since inside photos were rare when it was in service.

And NCDOT's done some pretty top notch refurbishing of the ex-UP and ex-KCS coaches it currently operates with. New coaches are better for everyone, but it's kind of disappointing these won't be refurbished as well.

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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:34 pm 

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LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN:

https://myfox8.com/news/offbeat/north-c ... rain-cars/

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The Raleigh News & Observer reported Friday that the N.C. Department of Transportation had originally put 16 cars up for sale last month.

It received offers for two passenger cars built in the 1960s.

The state said it will hold another online auction for the other 14 cars, probably by the end of the month.

He said the department will consider lowering the asking prices and revising the terms and conditions of the sales.


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