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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:41 pm 

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SteveC wrote:
Don't jump on me for a dumb question, but would any of the railroads be interested in returning any of these to their fleets? Didn't NS recently purchase an old car for their fleet from Maine? Either in MOW service or for the business/inspection trains? Those seem to be pretty well modified when done, and as it seems, they look to be in fairly good mechanical condition.


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I don't know if any railroads still do the MOW bunk cars these days. If so, then one or more of these might work. I really doubt there's any interest though.

As far as business/inspection trains? Well, these are more like RV Campers than Private Varnish, so unless they're looking for something to gut and put equipment in or do a total makeover for a business car, probably not.

Then again, I'd have never guessed NS would buy the car you mentioned either, so there's really no way to know for certain.


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Bobharbison wrote:
SteveC wrote:
Don't jump on me for a dumb question, but would any of the railroads be interested in returning any of these to their fleets? Didn't NS recently purchase an old car for their fleet from Maine? Either in MOW service or for the business/inspection trains? Those seem to be pretty well modified when done, and as it seems, they look to be in fairly good mechanical condition.


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I don't know if any railroads still do the MOW bunk cars these days. If so, then one or more of these might work. I really doubt there's any interest though.

As far as business/inspection trains? Well, these are more like RV Campers than Private Varnish, so unless they're looking for something to gut and put equipment in or do a total makeover for a business car, probably not.

Then again, I'd have never guessed NS would buy the car you mentioned either, so there's really no way to know for certain.


To the best of my knowledge NS was the last to use MOW bunk cars.


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:56 pm 

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NS was still using MOW bunk cars in 2009. I photographed these on a siding near Cresson, PA.


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:10 pm 

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I was told by an NS guy that the issues with camp cars these days is the lack of suitable sidings far enough away from active mains to meet new safety standards imposed on such accommodations.

The last siding I knew that was used for such parking, a stub of what was the old PRR grade through downtown Duncannon, Pa., had work train equipment parked on it instead of camp cars the other week as I drove by, in spite of a project under way nearby.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:48 pm 

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At least twice a year you can see NS parking a MOW bunk train on a mostly unused branch/wye/siding (I dont know what to call it.) by the Woodstock Rd Bridge in Chambersburg Pa.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:45 am 

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Read the sales offer on the Ringling site. You have to submit a minimum of 10% or $3,000 good faith deposit before you can bid on a car or even inspect it. You also have to have an account in good standing with a Class 1 railroad and submit the final destination location before they will accept any bid. If they are expecting a minimum deposit of $3,000 they are not going to let these cars go cheap. Not to mention that rumor has it maintenance has been lacking for several yrs. There are no original interiors, they only thing the cars are good for are the trucks and couplers, they don't even have traditional HEP. The most likely buyer will be Class 1s for parts for their business car fleets or entities such as Alaska Railroad or Rocky Mountaineer


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 Post subject: Re: RBBX Circus Trains & Equipment Up For Bids NOW
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These are all the passenger cars that are listed in the auction. Note that there are cars missing, either because they've already been deaccessioned, or because perhaps there will be another auction at a later date; but, this does represent the majority of the fleet. I'll write up another post later on with the missing cars (probably sometime next week). Stay tuned.

#40001. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5450 (AC&F, Lot #3812, November 1953), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#40002. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5451 (AC&F, Lot #3812, November 1953), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#40003. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5453 (AC&F, Lot #3812, December 1953), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#40004. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5457 (AC&F, Lot #3812, December 1953), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#40005. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5458 (AC&F, Lot #4095, June 1954), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#40006. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5459 (AC&F, Lot #4095, June 1954), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#40007. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5465 (AC&F, Lot #4095, July 1954), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#40010. Nee-UP 14 section (14S) sleeper Alpine Camp (AC&F, Lot #3816, Pullman Plan #9017, January 1954), withheld from Pullman lease in June 1962, rebuilt in January 1966 to 44 seat leg rest chair #5543, sold in December 1973 to Amtrak as #4583, retired in October 1981 and sold in 1982 to Providence & Worcester as #4583, was later (when??) assigned an Amtrak #800xxx-series number, specifically #800703, acquired by RBBX sometime in the 1980's?

#40011. Nee-UP 14S sleeper Alpine Pass (AC&F, Lot #3816, Pullman Plan #9017, March 1954), withheld from Pullman lease in May 1962, rebuilt in January 1966 to 44 seat leg rest chair #5550, sold in December 1973 to Amtrak as #4590, retired in July 1981 and stored until sold in March 1984 to RBBX.

#40012. Nee-UP 14S sleeper Alpine Scene (AC&F, Lot #3816, Pullman Plan #9017, April 1954), withheld from Pullman lease in June 1962, rebuilt in January 1966 to 44 seat leg rest chair #5554, sold in December 1973 to Amtrak as #4594, retired in October 1981 and sold in 1982 to P&W as #4594, was later (when??) assigned an Amtrak #800xxx-series number, specifically #800704, acquired by RBBX sometime in the 1980's?

#40013. Nee-UP 6 section-6 roomette-4 double bedroom (6S-6RM-4DB) sleeper American General (AC&F, Lot #3070, Pullman Plan #9005, March 1950), modified to a buffet-sleeper in May 1962 by replacing one section with a buffet station and another section with a table (Plan #9005A), used on the train to and from Butte, MT, withheld from Pullman lease in December 1968, assigned #1102 in 1969 upon folding of the car operating half of Pullman, retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to Jay DeHaven-Rail Tours International as #2 and renamed Harold F. Spence, later (when??) resold to a G. Pies (first name??) and name changed back to American General, later (when??) resold to Tony Citro (Wayne, NJ), later (when??) resold to DLW Car Company (Wilmington), resold in 1993 to RBBX.

#40014. Nee-UP 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper American View (AC&F, Lot #3070, Pullman Plan #9005, March 1950), modified to a buffet-sleeper in May 1962 by replacing one section with a buffet station and another section with a table (Plan #9005A), used on the train to and from Butte, MT, withheld from Pullman lease at an unknown date, assigned #1103 in 1969 upon folding of the car operating half of Pullman, retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to Mineral King Foundry (Fresno, CA), later (when??) resold to a café in Fresno, resold in 1980 to Rod Basich (Laguna Hills, CA), later (when??) acquired by RBBX.

#40015. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5460 (AC&F, Lot #4095, June 1954), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 74 seat commuter coach #4803, 1977 to successor operator Southeastern Michigan Transportation Authority (SEMTA), retired in 1978 and used as a parts source, sold in 1983 to Bill Fuehring-Golden Age Railway Equipment (Bellevue, OH) as GOLD #4803, may have been used on old NS steam program excursions (no confirmation on this), later (when??) resold or simply moved to?? the Mad River & Nickel Plate Historical Society/RR Museum in Bellevue, later (when??) acquired by RBBX.

#40016. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5461 (AC&F, Lot #4095, June 1954), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 74 seat commuter coach #4804, 1977 to SEMTA, retired in 1978 and used as a parts source, sold in 1983 to Bill Fuehring as GOLD #4804 and named City of Bellevue, was used on old NS steam program excursions (it did not to my knowledge receive Tuscan Red paint), was later (when??) assigned an Amtrak #800xxx-series number, specifically #800540, later (when??) resold or simply moved to?? the Mad River & Nickel Plate, later (when??) acquired by RBBX.

#40017. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5464 (AC&F, Lot #4095, July 1954), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 74 seat commuter coach #4805, to MofW #85391 in 1973, 1977 SEMTA??, retired in 1978??, sold in 1983 to Bill Fuehring as GOLD #4805, may have been used on old NS steam program excursions (no confirmation on this), later (when??) resold or simply moved to?? the Mad River & Nickel Plate, later (when??) acquired by RBBX.

#41301. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21 roomette (21RM) sleeper #8242 Anderson Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, February 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1541 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5416, retired and sold in 1989 to the United Railroads Historical Society of New Jersey (URHS), resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41302. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8245 Bedford Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, February 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1523 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5415, retired and sold in 1990 to Les Kasten-Kasten Railcar Services (KRSX), resold in 1990-91 to Richard Kostura (Pittsburgh), resold in 1990-91 to Brad A. Black and Francis Wong, d.b.a. Black-Wong Railcar Leasing (BWRL), resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41303. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8253 Coatesville Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, March 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1527 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5434, retired and sold in 1991 to KRSX, later (when??) resold to RBBX.

#41304. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8257 Elmira Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, March 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1514 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5432, retired and sold in 1989 to KRSX, resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41305. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8263 Jeanette Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, April 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1506 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5431, retired and sold in 1990 to KRSX, resold in 1990-91 to BWRL and renamed Mt. Holly Inn, resold in 1991 to Richard Kostura, later (when??) resold to RBBX.

#41306. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8264 Kane Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, April 1949), renamed in April 1950 to Cincinnati Inn, rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1522 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5427, retired and sold in 1990 to KRSX, resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41307. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8267 Lewistown Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, April 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1505 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5439, retired and sold in 1990 to KRSX, resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41308. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8268 Lima Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, April 1949), renamed in November 1957 to John Pitcairn, rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1512 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5437, later (when??) to #5420, retired and sold in 1989 to KRSX, resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41309. Nee-N&W 10 roomette-6 double bedroom (10RM-6DB) sleeper Duke University (Budd, Lot #9660-033, Pullman Plan #9523, December 1949), sold in 1963 to PRR and rebuilt in 1964 to Class P85M 72 seat coach-6 seat snack bar lounge #1497, to PC #3239, to NJDOT, to NJT #5422, retired and sold in 1989 to URHS, resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41310. Nee-N&W 10RM-6DB sleeper Pulaski County (Budd, Lot #9660-033, Pullman Plan #9523, November 1949), sold in 1963 to PRR and rebuilt in 1964 to Class P85M 72 seat coach-6 seat snack bar lounge #1493, to PC #3235, to NJDOT, to NJT #5402, retired and sold in 1989 to URHS, resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41311. Nee-N&W 10RM-6DB sleeper Pike County (Budd, Lot #9660-033, Pullman Plan #9523, November 1949), sold in 1963 to PRR and rebuilt in 1964 to Class P85M 72 seat coach-6 seat snack bar lounge #1492, to PC #3234, to NJDOT, to NJT #5421, retired and sold in 1989 to URHS, resold in 1991 to RBBX.

#41312. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5513 (Budd, Lot #9613-230, March 1961), sold in December 1971 to Amtrak as #4445, converted to head end power (HEP) in January 1981 as #4642, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in October 1995, sold to RBBX.

#41313. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5526 (Budd, Lot #9613-230, May 1961), sold in December 1971 to Amtrak as #4458, converted to HEP in December 1980 as #4639, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in October 1995, sold to RBBX.

#41314. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8272 Marietta Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, April 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1530 (name removed), to PC, sold in 1976 to SEMTA as #102 and renamed Royal Oak, sold in 1983 to Federated Railways (Farmington Hills, MI) and leased to Metro-North from 1984 to 19??, resold (when??) to Dan Brown-OMID, resold (when??) to RBBX.

#41315. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8290 Van Wert Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, June 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1520 (name removed), to PC, sold in 1976 to SEMTA as #109 and renamed Southfield, sold in 1983 to Federated RYS and leased to Metro-North (1984-19??), resold (when??) to Dan Brown-OMID, resold (when??) to RBBX.

#41316. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8260 Greensburg Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, March 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-12 seat smoking lounge #1540 (name removed), to PC, to NJDOT, to NJT #5426, resold in 1989 to MARC, converted to HEP in 1991 as #166, stored in 2001 and subsequently sold (when??) to RBBX.

#41317. Nee-PRR Class PS21B 21RM sleeper #8288 Uniontown Inn (Budd, Lot #9667-024, Pullman Plan #9513, June 1949), rebuilt in 1963 to Class P85L 64 seat coach-6 seat snack bar lounge #1549 (name removed), to PC #3243, to Conrail, to Maryland DOT #1514, to MARC, converted to HEP in 1991 as #153, rebuilt in 1995 to parlor #192 (name restored), stored in 2001 and subsequently sold (when??) to RBBX.

#41402. Nee-B&O 16 duplex roomette-4 double bedroom (16DXR-4DB) sleeper #7103 Kingfisher (Budd, Lot #9658-137, Pullman Plan #9536, May 1954), sold in 1969 to RBBX.

#41403. Nee-SAL 4 section-4 roomette-5 double bedroom-1 compartment (4S-4RM-5DB-1C) sleeper #50 Bay Pines (Budd, Lot #9658-158, Pullman Plan #9537, November 1955), to SCL #6402, sold in 1973 to Auto Train Corporation (AT) and rebuilt to 3 roomette-1 single bedroom-5 double bedroom-1 compartment-1 honeymoon room (3RM-1SB-5DB-1C-1HM) sleeper* #602, wrecked 1/16/1977, #57 Floridian, New Castle, AL, sold at December 1981 AT bankruptcy auction to RBBX.

*For the nee-Bay Pines and the 2 cars listed below, the Theme Trains website gives the rebuilt configuration as 3RM-1SB-5DB-1C-1HM, whereas Randall gives the rebuilt configuration as 4 roomettes-5 double bedrooms-1 honeymoon room (4RM-5DB-1HM).

#41404. Nee-SAL 4S-4RM-5DB-1C sleeper #52 Pinehurst (Budd, Lot #9658-158, Pullman Plan #9537, November 1955), to SCL #6406, sold in 1973 to AT and rebuilt to 3RM-1SB-5DB-1C-1HM sleeper #606, sold at December 1981 AT bankruptcy auction to RBBX.

#41405. Nee-SAL 4S-4RM-5DB-1C sleeper #55 Cedartown (Budd, Lot #9658-158, Pullman Plan #9537, November 1955), to SCL #6404, sold in 1973 to AT and rebuilt to 3RM-1SB-5DB-1C-1HM sleeper #604, sold at December 1981 AT bankruptcy auction to RBBX.

#41406. Nee-SP 44 seat leg rest chair #2365 (Budd, Lot #9613-140, March 1954, Sunset Limited), sold in 1971 to Amtrak as #4428, converted to HEP in April 1981 as #4018 (an ADA car with 40 seats), retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in August 1994, sold to RBBX.

#42001. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5401 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, July 1950), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#42005. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5407 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, July 1950), retired in October 1971 and sold to William W. Kratville's Autoliner Corporation (Omaha) as #5401 and named Prairie Skies, later (when??) to #441 Prairie Skies, sold in 1974 to Amtrak as #4407, later retired at an unknown date and stored until sold in June 1984 to RBBX.

#42006. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5410 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, July 1950), retired in October 1971 and sold to Bill Kratville-Autoliner Corp. as #5402 and named Prairie Sunset, later (when??) to #442 Prairie Sunset, sold in 1974 to Amtrak as #4408, later retired at an unknown date and stored until sold in June 1984 to RBBX.

#42007. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5414 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, August 1950), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#42009. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5418 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, August 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 74 seat commuter coach #4808, 1977 to SEMTA, sold in 1983 to RBBX.

#42010. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5419 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, August 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 92 seat commuter coach #4810, 1977 to SEMTA, sold in 1983 to RBBX.

#42011. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5421 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, August 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 92 seat commuter coach #4811, 1977 to SEMTA, sold in 1983 to RBBX.

#42013. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5425 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, August 1950), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#42014. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5431 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, August 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 84 seat commuter coach #4812, 1977 to SEMTA, sold in 1983 to RBBX. Listed as stored at RBBX yard/shops in Palmetto, FL, as of October 2011.

#42015. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5432 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, August 1950), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#42016. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5433 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, September 1950), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#42017. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5434 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, September 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 92 seat commuter coach #4813, 1977 to SEMTA, sold in 1983 to RBBX.

#42018. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5435 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, September 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 92 seat commuter coach #4814, 1977 to SEMTA, sold in 1983 to RBBX.

#42019. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5438 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, September 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 84 seat commuter coach #4815, 1977 to SEMTA and named Beverly Hills, sold in 1983 to RBBX.

#42020. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5439 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, September 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 84 seat commuter coach #4816, 1977 to SEMTA, sold in 1983 to RBBX.

#42021. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5440 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, September 1950), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GTW, rebuilt to 92 seat commuter coach #4817, 1977 to SEMTA and named Waterford Township, sold in 1983 to RBBX.

#42022. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5444 (P-S, Lot #6844, Plan #7617, September 1950), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#43001. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5493 (StLCCo, Lot #1807, April 1960), sold in December 1971 to Amtrak, planned as #4556, which was not applied, reconfigured in 1973 to 60 seat chair #6061, later retired at an unknown date and stored until sold in September 1983 to RBBX.

#43002. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5529 (StLCCo, Lot #1830, November 1964), wrecked 8/13/1971 on the GM&O (train and exact location unknown), retired in October 1971 and sold in January?? 1972 to Amtrak as #4569, converted to HEP in December 1979 as #4626, retired in 1994 and listed for sale in October 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43003. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5507 (StLCCo, Lot #1807, August 1960), sold in December 1971 to Amtrak as #4567, converted to HEP in May 1979 as #4600, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in April 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43004. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5533 (StLCCo, Lot #1830, December 1964), sold in January 1972 to Amtrak as #4573, converted to HEP in September 1979 as #4615, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in April 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43005. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5535 (StLCCo, Lot #1830, December 1964), sold in January 1972 to Amtrak as #4575, converted to HEP in August 1979 as #4611, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in April 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43006. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5536 (StLCCo, Lot #1830, January 1965), sold in December 1973 to Amtrak as #4576, converted to HEP in June 1979 as #4601, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in April 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43007. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5540 (StLCCo, Lot #1830, March 1965), sold in December 1973 to Amtrak as #4580, converted to HEP in July 1979 as #4608, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in April 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43008. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5542 (StLCCo, Lot #1830, March 1965), sold in December 1973 to Amtrak as #4582, converted to HEP in September 1979 as #4617, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in April 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43009. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5488 (StLCCo, Lot #1807, February 1960), retired in October 1968 and sold in 1969 to GN as #1008, planned to be renumbered as BN #4408, which was not applied, sold in 1971 to Amtrak as #4550, converted to HEP in March 1981 as #4647, retired at an unknown date and sold in February 1995 to American Orient Express, car was not rebuilt and was later (when??) resold to RBBX.

#43010. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5499 (StLCCo, Lot #1807, May 1960), sold in December 1971 to Amtrak as #4559, converted to HEP in July 1979 as #4605, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in August 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43011. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5537 (StLCCo, Lot #1830, February 1965), sold in December 1973 to Amtrak as #4577, converted to HEP in June 1979 as #4604, retired at an unknown date and listed for sale in April 1995, sold to RBBX.

#43012. Nee-UP 44 seat leg rest chair #5541 (StLCCo, Lot #1830, March 1965), sold in December 1973 to Amtrak as #4581, converted to HEP in September 1979 as #4616, retired in November 2003 and stored until sold at an unknown date to RBBX.

#60001. Nee-UP postal storage #5749 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, June 1962), to express #24474 in April 1969, retired in April 1970 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904274, sold 1999?? to RBBX.

#60002. Nee-UP postal storage #5755 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, August 1962), to express #24480 in April 1969, retired in February 1970 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904280, sold 1999?? to RBBX.

#60006. Nee-UP baggage-messenger #6312 (AC&F, Lot #12-5529, March 1961), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#60012. Nee-UP baggage-messenger #6322 (AC&F, Lot #12-5529, March 1961), retired in December 1971 and sold in 1972 to RBBX.

#60017. Nee-UP baggage-messenger #6304 (AC&F, Lot #12-5529, February 1961), retired in December 1971 and transferred in 1975 to the roadway (MofW) department as #904807, sold in 1999 to RBBX.

#60018. Nee-UP baggage-messenger #6301 (AC&F, Lot #12-5529, February 1961), retired in December 1971 and transferred in 1975 to the roadway (MofW) department as #904811, sold at an unknown date to RBBX. With this car there are 2 conflicts: first, Strack lists that the #6301/#904811 was scrapped at an unknown date, and that baggage-messenger #5662 (AC&F, Lot #4094, April 1954)/to express #24430 in April 1969/retired in October 1970/roadway #904230/#904826 was sold in 1999 to RBBX and became #60018; second, also according to Strack, #60018 was stored at Palmetto as of October 2011 and was sold in August 2012 to the Florida RR Museum in Parrish, where it is used as the gift shop. Can anyone clear this up? Thanks in advance.

#60019. Nee-UP postal storage #5735 (AC&F, Lot #04-4896, September 1957), to express #24461 in April 1969, retired in April 1970 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904261, sold in 1999 to RBBX, stored in Palmetto as of October 2011.

#63004. Nee-UP postal storage #5764 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, September 1962), retired in December 1972 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904292, to #904701 in April 1981, sold in 1999?? to RBBX.

#63005. Nee-UP postal storage #5758 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, August 1962), to express #24483 in April 1969, retired in February 1971 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904283, later (when??) to #904819, sold in 1999?? to RBBX.

#63006. Nee-UP postal storage #5747 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, May 1962), to express #24472 in April 1969, retired in May 1970 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904272, later (when??) to #904815, sold in 1999 to RBBX.

#63008. Nee-UP postal storage #5776 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, November 1962), retired in July 1972 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904299, to #904700 in April 1981, sold in 1999 to RBBX.

#63009. Nee-UP postal storage #5762 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, September 1962), retired in December 1972 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904290, to #904707 in October 1982, sold in 1999 to RBBX.

#63010. Nee-UP postal storage #5770 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, October 1962), retired in December 1972 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904296, to #904708 in April 1981, sold in 1999 to RBBX.

#63012. Nee-UP postal storage #5773 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, October 1962), retired in July 1972 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904298, sold in 1999 to RBBX, stored in Palmetto as of October 2011.

#63013. Nee-UP postal storage #5780 (StLCCo, Lot #1821, November 1962), retired in December 1971, placed back in service in May 1972, retired again in November 1978 and transferred to the roadway (MofW) department as #904823, sold in 1999?? to RBBX, stored in Palmetto as of October 2011.

Sources:

1. Don Strack's UP passenger car roster pages: http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-index.php

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

4. "Streamliner Cars Volume Three: ACF - Other Builders" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1982)

5. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

6. Jerry LaBoda's photo links database: http://passcarphotos.info/

7. Mike Palmieri's Amtrak rosters

8. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

9. Auto Train pages on the Theme Trains website: http://themetrains.com/auto-train-main.htm

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I wonder approx what these will go for. I'm tempted to throw down a bid of like $5k on one of the N&W cars and see what happens.


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Emmo213 wrote:
I wonder approx what these will go for. I'm tempted to throw down a bid of like $5k on one of the N&W cars and see what happens.


I hope you're ready to own before you place that bid!

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Of course not, which is why I won't actually do it. I can dream though.


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We put in a couple of lowball bids on some flats (good MOW material) and the power/shop cars, with no illusions of winning those. They will be the diamonds everyone else will be after.

I wonder if what doesn't sell gets relisted, or scrapped. With the price of steel still rather low, I bet they will try to list them a few times.

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Since we're past the deadline any updates?


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I'd be very surprised if any of the cars attracted good bids as there was no time to do inspections ( and a weird clause that required a substantial bond be posted PRIOR to inspection) and with the possible exceptions of the flats and HEP cars these cars have few other applications short of major interior modifications.

Unless they're willing to sell them for whatever the market brings my guess is most will be sold for parts ( trucks, draft gear HVAC etc. have good value and are generally in great condition) with the bodies cut up for scrap.

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Scrap steel is going for about $180.00 a ton . $210.00 if cut down to mill size , and that's from the scrap yard. Even higher if you deal directly with a steel mill. You've got to have bid high enough to make it unprofitable for the scrapers .


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Just got an email back from FELD Entertainment basically saying to go screw myself for bidding and that the minimum bid for EVERY car is now $10,000.

Getting the feeling from this and the next to impossible to meet requirements their plan is to pretend to have offered these publicly with the ultimate plan to scrap everything and wipe it off the face of the earth and hope everyone forgets they ever operated the circus.


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