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 Post subject: Is CSX disposing of business cars?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:22 pm 

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The Great Smoky Mountain RR is announcing on Facebook that they have just acquired a new "First Class passenger rail car" for their operations:

https://www.facebook.com/GreatSmokyMoun ... =3&theater

The photo shows it is obviously a former CSX business train car, though we can't discern which one yet:

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So what's the story here? Is CSX getting rid of more cars than this? Was this acquired from CSX as a purchase?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:27 pm 

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Pan Am Railroad just acquired a sleeping car "Mississippi" from CSX - so there has been at least one other recent sale. It will be numbered ST-103 in the PAR/Springfield Terminal business train.

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 Post subject: Re: Is CSX disposing of business cars?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:34 pm 

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The first (maybe only) dead match for this car is CSX 994012 "Michigan," built in 1951 by Budd for the Pennsylvania Railroad as a parlor car, numbered PRR 7138. Transferred to Penn Central in 1968 and renumbered PC 7138. In 1980, it was converted to a meeting room/board room car and renumbered CR 12, then went to CSX in the CR split-up.


http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPict ... x?id=56899

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4711258


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 Post subject: Re: Is CSX disposing of business cars?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:50 pm 

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elecuyer wrote:
Pan Am Railroad just acquired a sleeping car "Mississippi" from CSX - so there has been at least one other recent sale. It will be numbered ST-103 in the PAR/Springfield Terminal business train.

Built in 1923 by Pullman as a tourist car. Acquired by the Southern Railway and converted to a couch in 1954 and numbered SOU 1041. Acquired by Conrail in 1983 and renumber CR 24. Converted to an eight-bedroom sleeper in 1984 and renumbered CR 8. went to CSXT.

http://www.hebners.net/CR/crOCS.html


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 Post subject: Re: Is CSX disposing of business cars?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:50 pm 

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Short answer? Yes. Or at least they were.

We, (F&N) as an interchange partner, received a listing of business cars available. We had just moved our SPVs so we were out of passenger car funds at the time.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:23 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Built in 1923 by Pullman as a tourist car. Acquired by the Southern Railway and converted to a couch in 1954


Damn! How big was their living room?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:00 am 
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elecuyer wrote:
Pan Am Railroad just acquired a sleeping car "Mississippi" from CSX - so there has been at least one other recent sale. It will be numbered ST-103 in the PAR/Springfield Terminal business train.
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Built in 1923 by Pullman as a tourist car. Acquired by the Southern Railway and converted to a couch in 1954 and numbered SOU 1041. Acquired by Conrail in 1983 and renumber CR 24. Converted to an eight-bedroom sleeper in 1984 and renumbered CR 8. went to CSXT.

http://www.hebners.net/CR/crOCS.html

As posted just now in the Surviving Pullman thread, this car started out as the Penvir, a Plan #2412F 16 section sleeper built by Pullman in April 1917 in Lot #4484, 1 of 40 such sleepers built in that Lot, and 1 of 6 from that Lot assigned to the SP. Rebuilt in November 1932 to the Plan #4027 10 section-restaurant Windsor Castle, 1 of 12 such rebuilds, and 1 of 6 such rebuilds (with Windsor-series names) for service on the Erie. Plan later had suffixes applied, specifically C, E, and G. Sold to the Southern at the Pullman divestiture as their #2458, and like several other sleepers of various types, later rebuilt by the SOU at their various shops to a chair, specifically in 1954 as #1041. Sold by the new NS in 1983 to Conrail, initially as #24, before being rebuilt the following year to an executive sleeper with 8 bedrooms as #8/#800360, later going to CSX in 1999 as their #994008 Mississippi.

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Is CSX disposing of business cars?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:24 am 

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Dave wrote:
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Built in 1923 by Pullman as a tourist car. Acquired by the Southern Railway and converted to a couch in 1954


Damn! How big was their living room?


I'd guess at least 80 ft ;-)


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