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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:54 am 

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September 13, 2017

Steam! Smoke! The sound of a locomotive hard at work in the mountains. It's close at hand -with your help!

We are nearing completion of what will become a landmark restoration, one of the most impressive restored steam locomotives in the United States. For the last four years, the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad has been rebuilding Chesapeake & Ohio 2-6-6-2 No. 1309 for our 17-mile mountain railroad between Cumberland and Frostburg, Md. When it's finished and in operation, this last steam locomotive built by Baldwin in 1949 for domestic use will once again be in regular service, pulling excursions, hauling special photography trains, throttle time, and much more. It will be one of the biggest steam locomotives - almost a half million pounds! -
- ever restored. Best of all, it will be operating dozens of days each year for the enjoyment of people like you.

Western Maryland Scenic Railroad and the state of Maryland have invested $1.8 million in the locomotive that will take over from our No. 734, which is now out of service for a federally required overhaul. A final $530,000 is needed to complete additional repairs to No. 1309. The railroad is committed to completing this impressive locomotive, but to do it in a timely manner and in time to celebrate the railroad's 30th anniversary in 2018, we need your help now. This project literally cannot happen without you.

You can make a difference in the final push to restore No. 1309.
Your support is key!

Please consider a generous donation to push us over the top. A donation of size is greatly appreciated!!

Thank you in advance for your support! Your generous donation will be used to complete the final phases of the restoration process. You can donate online at www.wmsr.com, call us at 800.TRAIN50 or mail a check to:

Western Maryland Scenic Railroad
13 Canal Street
Cumberland, MD 21502


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:03 am 

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I thought that the restoration was finished, with just assembly now required?

Sounds like there's more left to do than just putting the pieces back together.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:05 am 

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Holy smokes...that price tag to finish it just keeps going up, and up, and up...

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:07 pm 

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Back before I retired from my IT job, there was a widely-distributed sarcastic document detailing the 7 stages of a project. They are:

Phase 1: Uncritical acceptance.

Phase 2: Wild enthusiasm.

Phase 3: Dejected disillusionment.

Phase 4: Total confusion.

Phase 5: Search for the guilty.

Phase 6: Punishment of the innocent.

Phase 7: Promotion of nonparticipants.

I would guess they're somewhere between Phase 3 & 5

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:17 am 

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I think they are just at the "coming to grips with the reality of the situation" phase.

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:35 pm 

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Often times rumors have a fair amount of truth to them. Obviously I am sure WM regrets saying the loco would be running by such and such a date. Yup somebody screwed up there. Who of us at one time or another hasn't been guilty of too much enthusiasm and said something dumb about "could be or hope to be" or worse yet "will be" on a locomotive restoration? Funding delays or problems. Now that has never happened before has it? Got no dog or money invested in this project, no skin and haven't talked to anybody involved, not that I wouldn't mind! I do know that if contractors were allowed and it wasn't bad business to tell stories about getting paid that it would be material for a new horror flick. Guess I just hope this ends well for all involved. I would really like to see WM back in the steam game soon and the #1309 making noise.

There was another locomotive that when the restoration first got started there was very little public knowledge given out first. The#28 up in Duluth MN is the one I think of when I read all this about #1309. Does anybody remember all the internet tripe that was spread when someone reported a fire in it and steam coming out from her before the restoration got started? Lions and Tigers and Bear oh my! Now she is running, not perfect but she is out hustling the almighty buck and earning her wages. Despite all the internet pundits dire predictions. I am kind of hoping this same story comes true again for the #1309 and the WM. By the way a buddy of mine just rode on the #28 last week and said the 25+ mile ride up in the north country was incredible and said it was totally well worth the cost and drive up there. I think there is more tweaking to do on the #28 but again despite a lot of negative hype she is running. Good luck to the crew on the #1309. Cheers, John.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:20 pm 

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A thought that occurs to me as I type a column on a certain city's craft beer scene for a certain publication:

With one exception, EVERY project I am writing about is six to twelve months behind schedule, and every last one of them is a combination of financial and regulatory hurdles combined with contractor/construction/assembly delays (as in, the contractors are behind because the inspectors/certifiers are behind).

The one exception is 1) in a different geopolitical regulatory jurisdiction and 2) has the money of the equivalent of GM, GE, UP, Berkshire Hathaway, etc. behind it.........

The routine advice I hear from the "old guard" in this vocation when it comes to starting up a project like this is "Do the most pessimistic possible estimate of how much money you'll need to get off the ground. Now double that. Then don't start until you get 20% above and beyond that--with as few parties invested as possible."

I'm going to cut the WMSR a LOT of slack. (But not in coupling.)


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:21 pm 

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We are having a niece and her family visiting with us in October and I was considering taking everyone on the WMSR even though 1309 is still not operating and the trip is now hauled by a diesel. My wife and I went in the fall of 2014 and the tickets were somewhere around $25 apiece. I just checked their web site and the cheapest adult ticket is now $50.69. Ouch! $300 is a bit much for a retiree on a fixed income to shell out, especially with no steam. Similar thing happened to Cass after D&GVRR took over operation. I realize that the costs to maintain this equipment is high, but there's a tipping point for every budget. Looks like we'll be visiting a couple of non-railroad attractions.

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:23 pm 

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Hearing reports online today (via an infamous Facebook group on the subject, with photographic proof and confirmation via another individual) that restoration work on 1309 has been suspended as of yesterday.

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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:14 pm 

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bigjim4life wrote:
Hearing reports online today (via an infamous Facebook group on the subject, with photographic proof and confirmation via another individual) that restoration work on 1309 has been suspended as of yesterday.



Not that I believe that facebook's claims at all but what is their track record on "leaks" and information? I have seen the aforementioned letter posted and there are some horrendous spelling and grammatical errors that no sane man with spell check would let slide. I have fired my fair share of people and I have never done it in that way nor with that many easily spotted errors.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:57 pm 

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bigjim4life wrote:
Hearing reports online today (via an infamous Facebook group on the subject


Just be honest with everyone and tell them that Leonard Shaner posted it. I wouldn't even take it with a grain of salt.


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:58 pm 

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This does not rise to the level of "PRR 0-6-0 still sunk in a quarry," but I would be horrendously suspicious of the offered "evidence" simply for its alleged source on FB.

However, not to give this credibility, but I have a long history of reading official documents produced by people in high places that should never be let near a word processor or typewriter. A few misspellings and lack of hitting the space bar is not nearly enough for me to instantly call this supposed letter a fake.

I was once told of an employee that was informed their workplace was shutting down by the project director calling all the affected employees while he was drowning his sorrows with two bottles of bourbon--and the employee in question recounted the drunken, slurred language of the director as he broke the (by then not so bad) news partway through the second bottle.........


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:29 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
This does not rise to the level of "PRR 0-6-0 still sunk in a quarry," but I would be horrendously suspicious of the offered "evidence" simply for its alleged source on FB.

However, not to give this credibility, but I have a long history of reading official documents produced by people in high places that should never be let near a word processor or typewriter. A few misspellings and lack of hitting the space bar is not nearly enough for me to instantly call this supposed letter a fake.

I was once told of an employee that was informed their workplace was shutting down by the project director calling all the affected employees while he was drowning his sorrows with two bottles of bourbon--and the employee in question recounted the drunken, slurred language of the director as he broke the (by then not so bad) news partway through the second bottle.........


I just find all the errors and the person who has published the letter to be less than credible. And I doubt that work would be suspended given that the work on the wheels isn't done yet (estimate of 2-3 months mid october).


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:32 pm 

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Without official word from WMSR, I would give this absolutely no credibility whatsoever. From that "Project 1309" facebook page it says that the people claiming that the page is run by Shaner are "so jealous of him that they can't stand it". Who else but that loon would claim that anyone was jealous of him? Note that one of the pages "liked" by this page is the Steel City Railway Historical Society, another nonsensical Facebook page run by Shaner relating to B & LE 643. I wouldn't even be surprised if Shaner typed up that letter and then scribbled the signatures. At any rate, it's been brought to the attention of the WMSR.

John


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 Post subject: Re: Progress on 1309?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:33 pm 

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1309 and BLE 643 in the same thread? I can't handle it.
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