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Author:  NKP1155 [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Works
Do any of your know if the order books or construction records from 1874/5 of Andrew Carnegie's Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Works have been preserved? if so, where are they domiciled?
Author:  Rick Rowlands [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
I cannot think of any known archives that has those records.
Author:  kevin kohls [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
If you are looking for construction numbers of locomotives built by Pittsburgh then the answer is yes.
What do you want to know ?

Kevin K.
Author:  NKP1155 [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
Kevin,

Pittsburgh constructed one or two small locomotives for Lake View & Collamer, a small line on the east side of Cleveland. Seeking any of the usual data on the order(s), builders #, wheel arrangement, wgt, etc... and if the builder followed up with their sale(s) to other locomotive users.
Author:  kevin kohls [ Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
I looked it up in my ALCO Pittsburgh records and I found nothing at all. I even tried looking for them in the ALCO Brooks records; nothing.
Could they have been built by another builder ?

Kevin K.
Author:  NKP1155 [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
Kevin,
My question was based upon a Cleveland newspaper report, and since the reporter used Pittsburgh locomotive, I started with that. Perhaps the reporter did not get it right and meant H. K. Porter, another Pittsburgh locomotive manufacturer? If he was mistaken, do Porter records exist?
Author:  Jennie K [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:26 am ]
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Yes they do, they are in the volume that the National Model Railroad Association published on H.K.Porter https://www.amazon.com/Porter-Steam-Loc ... 0964705036
Author:  John T [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
Found these two:

Baldwin
4670 S 10x16-42 2-4-2 6.1879 Lake View & Collamer RR, 4
[1879] Cleveland, Painesville & Ashtabula, 4

4761 S 0-4-2T 9.1879 Lake View & Collamer RR, 5
Cleveland, Painesville & Ashtabula, 5
[1885] New York, Chicago & St. Louis, 199 gone after 12.1885

Nothing in Porter or Vulcan.
Author:  John T [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
Found three more.

Globe Locomotive Works Boston, MA
(200) 1875 00 00 00 00 00 Lake View & Collamer 1 sold 8/79 Cleveland Painesville & Ashtabula
(200) 1875 00 00 00 00 00 New York Chicago & Saint Louis 00 ex 10/82 CP&A(2nd) 1
(201) 1875 00 00 00 00 00 Lake View & Collamer 2 sold 8/79 Cleveland Painesville & Ashtabula
(201) 1875 00 00 00 00 00 New York Chicago & Saint Louis 00 ex 10/82 CP&A(2nd) 2
(202) 1875 00 00 00 00 00 Lake View & Collamer 3 sold 8/79 Cleveland Painesville & Ashtabula
Author:  John T [ Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
Oops! Not the Globe Locomotive Works of Boston but the Globe Iron Works of Cleveland. All three simply listed as "dummy".
Author:  Matt [ Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
kevin kohls wrote:
If you are looking for construction numbers of locomotives built by Pittsburgh then the answer is yes.
What do you want to know ?

Kevin K.


Kevin, do you have anything on the Cleveland Terminal and Valley Railroad's 4-6-0's built by the Pittsburgh in 1897? They were numbered from 31-37. Looking for specs, build date, and construction numbers.

Matt
Author:  kevin kohls [ Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
I'll try and check this weekend !
Author:  Matt [ Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
kevin kohls wrote:
I'll try and check this weekend !


Kevin, thanks I appreciate it!

Matt
Author:  John T [ Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
1523 18x24-54 4-6-0 5.1894 Valley RR, 31
Cleveland Terminal & Valley, 31
Baltimore & Ohio, 156 * dr 1933
1524 18x24-54 4-6-0 5.1894 Valley RR, 32
Cleveland Terminal & Valley, 32
Baltimore & Ohio, 157 * dr 1936
1696 18x24-54 4-6-0 3.1897 Cleveland Terminal & Valley, 33
Baltimore & Ohio, 158 * Dr 1937
1697 18x24-54 4-6-0 3.1897 Cleveland Terminal & Valley, 34
Baltimore & Ohio, 159 * Dr 1925
1843 18x24-54 4-6-0 8.1898 Cleveland Terminal & Valley, 35
Baltimore & Ohio, 160 * Sc 3.1946
1844 18x24-54 4-6-0 8.1898 Cleveland Terminal & Valley, 36
Baltimore & Ohio, 161
7.1923 to Winchester & Western, 32
2003 28x24-54 4-6-0 9.1899 Cleveland Terminal & Valley, 37
Baltimore & Ohio, 162 * scrap 9.1945
Author:  Matt [ Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Seeking 1870's records of Pittsburgh Locomotive & Car Wo
John T wrote:
1523 18x24-54 4-6-0 5.1894 Valley RR, 31
Cleveland Terminal & Valley, 31
Baltimore & Ohio, 156 * dr 1933


Thanks John!

The Valley Railway had 4-4-0s built by Baldwin numbered from 3-9 in 1878-1880. There appears to be a gap for 4-4-0s numbered 10-12, which seem to be built by a different company in 1880 or 1881. I have a photo of #11 attached, and was wondering maybe you or someone else could help me identify who built it. My thoughts are either Pittsburgh or Hinkley.

Matt

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