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 Post subject: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:48 am 

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Anyone have any idea what types of steam locomotives might be available for preservation if our relationship and certain possibilities might materialize with North Korea? I believe there were some 2-8-0 and other locomotives working in the north/ww2 war aid that might still exist in some sort of stockpile or even working still. Maybe even some examples of russian/eastern block locomotives which are almost completely unrepresented over here in the west/United States.


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 Post subject: Re: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:28 am 

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Erie 2524! If found, she would be the ONLY surviving Erie steam engine.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:37 am 

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6-18003 wrote:
Erie 2524! If found, she would be the ONLY surviving Erie steam engine.

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Are there any updates to this legend?


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 Post subject: Re: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:46 am 

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Whoa! Talk about a leap of faith!

There is no trace, none, of the American steam locos which were given to rebuild Korea in the 1950's. Furthermore, the US delegation is only meeting with the North Koreans because they are deeming it politically advantageous.

Put your hiking boots and cameras away for a few more years.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:55 am 

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Nothing new. An inquiry was made to a South Korean official who said he was confident that 2524 did not still exist, although there are supposedly locos stuffed and mounted all over SK. Who knows what's in the north. I suppose we will have to wait until google maps gives us something better to peruse.


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 10:44 am 
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In North Korea:
http://www.steamlocomotive.info/country ... northkorea

In South Korea:
http://www.steamlocomotive.info/country ... southkorea

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:15 pm 

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Thank you, Mr Bailey. What a fascinating list.

This little 760mm gauge 0-6-0T in the Pyongyang Railway Museum (!) caught my eye:
http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=18123

Could it be a Baldwin, or perhaps a Davenport? I don't see a builder's plate, but that's not surprising.

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 Post subject: Re: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 10:37 am 

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With 36 of the 45 steam locos remaining in North Korea reportedly being 2-8-2 Mikados, I guess you could say that North Korea "is a Mike kind of town." (Sorry, Mr. Sinatra.)

Sorry, folks, I just couldn't resist it.

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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:26 am 

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The CIA reports that there is a 4-6-2 in the bottom of a quarry outside of Pyongyang.


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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:30 am 

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Classified reports are you can even see the domes above water every time they do a nuclear test.

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 Post subject: Re: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 3:10 pm 

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Oh shoot. So even if the Erie pacific survives she is now radioactive?

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 Post subject: Re: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 4:15 pm 

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If so, you could save a lot on headlight bulbs and might not even need coal to boil the water!

Even if it does exist, what shape is it in, and what are the reparation chances? I recall people foaming (for lack of a better term, although sometimes appropriate.) about getting Cuban locos. Has any group seriously started trying to return a Cuban loco?

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 Post subject: Re: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:18 pm 

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The late Hal Carstens dreamed of finding that Erie Pacific.

I was stationed in ROK 1969-1970; KNR (now Korail) was then operating 100 steamers, but only two were Pacifics: both PaSi 5 class, built in Korea during the Japanese occupation.

KNR runs left-handed and all their own steam engines were set up left-handed. The US engines had the engineer on the wrong side.

Incidentally I did find (and ride) coaches and combines from the Reading Company. Moreover KNR's road engines had 6-chime whistles that sounded like 2124.

A last note. Most KNR steam burned oil, but one engine terminal used coal. The name in Korean was Iri, pronounced Erie.

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 Post subject: Re: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:32 pm 

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Correction to the above; The KNR PaSi 5 engines operated in 1970 were built by Kawasaki in Japan. Wikipedia reports PaSi 5 23 is preserved at the Korean Railway Museum (ROK).

Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentetsu_ ... locomotive

ROK Museum:

http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/enu/ATR ... id=1320188

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 Post subject: Re: Possibilities in North Korea
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:34 pm 

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Has any group seriously started trying to return a Cuban loco?

I think I read somewhere that the Cuban government has declared all steam locomotives in Cuba "National Treasurers", making it illegal to take them out of Cuba.


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