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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:27 pm 

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Susan, I am very interested in the UP documents and would love to have a look at them. Not much in the way of technical data seems to be available for the UP steam turbine electrics. Maybe this info could be put together as a web archive for UP fans?

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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:41 pm 

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The section of the turbine, alone, is likely a major piece of significant documentation. The others that have been listed are significant. I thoroughly support having these files digitized at relatively high resolution and quality and posted where they can serve as a resource.

Susan Yosten is familiar already to many PRR aficionados as having provided an enormous range of historical material unavailable from any other source.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:31 pm 

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Bigboy, Overmod and others:

Thank you for the support. I've set the UP file aside to take to work tomorrow and scan a few things to try to post here. There is other related info as used by other railroads, domestic and foreign, and as power plants.

Overmod-thank you for the kind words. They mean a great deal to me.

Susan


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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:39 pm 

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Here's some images from the collection---will have scanned with better quality if interested.
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This was in the file-unrelated but interesting-more info please?
It's lettered for UP as M-11 and photo credit goes to Louis Bostwick, commercial photographer in Omaha.
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Susan Yosten
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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:21 pm 

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Anyone have complete builders drawings for the steam electrics?

Susan, Thank you for the scans. I have never been able to find any pictures of the cab interior of the steam electric. Now I can see that in controlling these locos that they are similar to a Milw EF4 electric locomotive in cab controls.

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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:10 pm 
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Hi Susan;

This is incredible stuff. I have never seen anything like That is the first and only time I have seen the UP steam turbine locomotive with a "B"unit in the middle!

I will be glad to help you with digitizing this if you want; but I would just put it up on Flickr. This organization may be able to get it out to more people:

http://uphs.org/

This has been a great thread. Thank again everyone for contributing; I have learned and seen so much.

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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:38 pm 

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"This was in the file-unrelated but interesting-more info please?
It's lettered for UP as M-11 and photo credit goes to Louis Bostwick, commercial photographer in Omaha."


This is a McKeen car rebuilt to be more like a conventional gas/diesel-electric (note the different trucks). I am certain it has been documented in some of Keilty's 'doodlebugs' books but I don't have access to my library to confirm the details. This may very well be a previously unpublished picture.

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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:39 pm 

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Unless I am mistaken? The a-b-a set looks like a set of Fairbanks Morse locos.

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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:47 pm 
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BigBoy 4023 wrote:
Unless I am mistaken? The a-b-a set looks like a set of Fairbanks Morse locos.

Robert


You are right Robert; I stand corrected.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:43 pm 

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According to Keilty Union pacific #M-11 was McKeen #11 built in 1907. It was rebuilt by GE in 1925 and retired in 1942.


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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:01 pm 

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I'm learning so much-thank you!

Here's some more photos

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Susan Yosten
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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:12 pm 

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Thank you Susan. I am really enjoying seeing how the UP steam turbines were constructed. Still hoping someone comes across a set of builders drawings for them? I would seriously consider a new build steam electric if I was a millionaire. It's a real shame one of them did not survive.

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 Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:29 pm 

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Robert---I'm glad you're enjoying the photos. I love the various locos on the shop floor of building 10.

I know I have a book of approximately 4x6" blueprint-style drawings from the late 1800's of UP engines...shows length, weight, various capacities etc. as well as another one from more recent times, but until I get out to my offsite collection (hopefully this weekend) I won't hazard a guess as to the date or contents.
The 1800's book appears to be an original, based on the paper looking like dark tobacco-stained parchment. Hopefully it will scan okay so you folks can tell me if you'd like to see more of it. Or a 'save your breath-we all have that already' is good to know too.

That's the extent of my UP-specific collection. If you tell me, though, that the a UP loco is the same as one some other railroad had, I can look in the files for that other railroad and see what I have to share. Or to look for a diagram of a certain headlight or pony truck or other part that would be in the 'parts' file, or a specifically-numbered locomotive that is in the 'numbered locomotives' file. The GE collection goes back to around 1910 with a lot of 'trolley cars' too. Sorry, but as I learn I have to grab onto anything recognizable to start organizing the collection---refinements come with education.

Susan Yosten
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