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 Post subject: Rare bird? An outside braced CONVERTED boxcar preserved!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:15 am 

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It's late. The winter wind is howling outside and the temp is dropping! There's new snow on the ground. A good night to check the internet and doing so, found this outside braced boxcar:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1406920

Looked at the photo and got to wondering if this was a rare piece of equipment that somehow got preserved? Yes, there are quite a few outside braced (single sheathed) boxcars that got saved, but look close; this one had its wood sides converted to steel! This was probably a fairly common way to get some more miles out of an old car and other roads besides the Frisco, did it I'm sure. But how many of those conversions have been saved? I don't recall any, but maybe I missed them somewhere along the way. So.......is SL-SF #162739 a rare bird in railroad preservation? Please let me know, one way or the other. And thanks!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:25 am 

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While I don’t doubt there aren’t a lot of these around, some quick googling turned up at least one other example. That would be Atlantic and East Carolina 606, impeccably preserved at the NCTM.

More info: http://www.norfolksouthernhs.org/equipment.html

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:00 pm 

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I haven't kept a running inventory, but I seem to trip into such cars somewhat routinely.

Strasburg RR has CV 40025: http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.c ... xcars.html

The White Deer RR Museum at White Deer, Pa. has a PRR X23 boxcar with portholes, used as a MOW car for years before being acquired.

Another PRR MOW X23, 499327, sits in the Martinsburg, WV B&O roundhouse in Martinsburg, WV.

Yet another, PRR 499369, is at the Northern Ohio Railway Museum, and 499320 is at Illinois Railway Museum.

Others at IRM (of course they have more than one!): Rock Island 264070, UP 100000, Soo 33096 and 41146, Alton 39167, WC 131650, and IC 40285. http://www.irm.org/gallery/boxcars


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:06 pm 

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railfanespee wrote:
While I don’t doubt there aren’t a lot of these around, some quick googling turned up at least one other example. That would be Atlantic and East Carolina 606, impeccably preserved at the NCTM.

More info: http://www.norfolksouthernhs.org/equipment.html

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railfanespee -

Thanks! A beautiful example of an wood outside braced boxcar converted with steel sides. So, there are at least two surviving!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:10 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
I haven't kept a running inventory, but I seem to trip into such cars somewhat routinely.

Strasburg RR has CV 40025: http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.c ... xcars.html

The White Deer RR Museum at White Deer, Pa. has a PRR X23 boxcar with portholes, used as a MOW car for years before being acquired.

Another PRR MOW X23, 499327, sits in the Martinsburg, WV B&O roundhouse in Martinsburg, WV.

Yet another, PRR 499369, is at the Northern Ohio Railway Museum, and 499320 is at Illinois Railway Museum.

Others at IRM (of course they have more than one!): Rock Island 264070, UP 100000, Soo 33096 and 41146, Alton 39167, WC 131650, and IC 40285. http://www.irm.org/gallery/boxcars


The Central Vermont car obviously still has its wood sides. At least some (all?) of the others are also still wood sided. I guess I'll have to see if I can find photos of these cars when I get a chance, to ascertain whether any have been converted over to steel sides. As I stated in the original post, there seem to be quite a few outside braced (single sheathed) wood sided cars still in existence, but those converted to steel sides don't seem to have fared as well in preservation.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:36 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
I haven't kept a running inventory, but I seem to trip into such cars somewhat routinely.

Yet another, PRR 499369, is at the Northern Ohio Railway Museum, and 499320 is at Illinois Railway Museum.

Others at IRM (of course they have more than one!): Rock Island 264070, UP 100000, Soo 33096 and 41146, Alton 39167, WC 131650, and IC 40285. http://www.irm.org/gallery/boxcars


Looked at the IRM website and all of those still have wood sides, with the only exception being UP #100000. However, that car was not converted, but actually built in 1906 as a steel car. That does bring up a good point however; were SLSF #162739 and/or A&EC #606 also built with steel sides, rather than being converted from wood to steel? I wouldn't think so, but I don't have any way to know for sure.

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
I haven't kept a running inventory, but I seem to trip into such cars somewhat routinely.

The White Deer RR Museum at White Deer, Pa. has a PRR X23 boxcar with portholes, used as a MOW car for years before being acquired.

Another PRR MOW X23, 499327, sits in the Martinsburg, WV B&O roundhouse in Martinsburg, WV.

Yet another, PRR 499369, is at the Northern Ohio Railway Museum, and 499320 is at Illinois Railway Museum.


Alexander D. Mitchell IV -

I checked out internet pix of these PRR X23 outside braced boxcars, and they all seem to still have wood sides. I actually found an additional X23 series car (PRR #499303) at the Eastern Shore Railway Museum in Parksley, VA and that one too, still has its wood sides. I do admit that I probably didn't make the subject line of this thread very clear, so I have amended it to help a little.

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 Post subject: Re: Rare bird? An outside braced CONVERTED boxcar preserved
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:54 pm 

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Les,

Everything you would want to know about these cars was covered in articles in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 1 & 2. Unfortunately now out of print, here is an Amazon listing for Vol. 1.

https://www.amazon.com/Railway-Prototype-Cyclopedia-Vol-1/dp/B0010ZG8GY

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 Post subject: Re: Rare bird? An outside braced boxcar preserved!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:06 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:

Looked at the IRM website and all of those still have wood sides, with the only exception being UP #100000. However, that car was not converted, but actually built in 1906 as a steel car.


I got to thinking about IRM's UP #100000 and something clicked in the back of my brain (happens less and less frequently these days). Did some checking here on RyPN and found a photo of another Union Pacific steel boxcar with outside bracing. I had found that car sitting on an out of the way siding at Greenfield Village in Dearborn, Michigan and Chris Salmonson was nice enough to send in a photo of that car. I can't figure how to transfer it over here, but if you want to see it, look up the 2012 thread "Update from the DT&M Roundhouse". Although I can't transfer THAT particular photo, Mike Pannell (of Car 57 "fame"), discovered a bunch of old freight cars, one of which at least, looked like it could have been a sister to the car at Greenfield. I'll try to post it here:

http://car57.zenfolio.com/p412775893/h4 ... #h401cc0f2

My apologies if I screwed something up! Anyway, in that other thread, Dennis Storzek pointed out that the car at Greenfield Village was BUILT as a steel car, circa 1915. So, neither of these surviving Union Pacific outside braced steel cars is a conversion from a wood sided car.

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