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 Post subject: Southern Pacific business car #127, ALAMO
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:30 pm 

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Location: San Antonio, Texas
Greeting all,

It's been one heck of a time, but we've finally moved the SP 127, ALAMO to Elmendorf, TX! Let me start by saying, Mr. Jim Lesiak of Over The Top Construction is a super guy and definitely knows his stuff when it comes to moving a passenger rail car. We are very impressed by his knowledge and resourcefulness. If you ever need a car moved, call his company!
This would have been a normal move had the environment where the car was residing and the weather cooperated, but that was not the case. The ground was soggy and anytime serious work was being started, it would rain cats and dogs, loading the already saturated ground with even more water. Undortunately, that's just Houston, TX weather. To top things off, the ALAMO had several surprises in store for us as well. As many of us SP fans know, the SP liked to modify/customize and improve things with their equipment. The ALAMO was no exception. Cushion draft gear from a boxcar was installed on the "A" end of the ALAMO. The modified draft gear sat much lower than the previous pocket had, creating an issue when hauling the car.
The other major issue was the lack of jacking pads. Now as for me personally, I've not really paid much attention to the "jacking points" on passenger equipment, so I couldn't tell you, but after having three different people make the same observation, I think it odd. So without these "jacking points", the lifting of the car became a real challenge. We tried a crane, but the company we used must have sent us the most unprofessional operator and rigger they had in their employment. Because of this, the crane operator did not see his boom was off and because of it, once the weight was great enough, the car righted itself. By righting itself I mean the car swung in toward the crane, striking his outrigger. Needless to say, I nearly messed my pants. I was standing beside the car, holdinging an air hose and the car moved toward me. Yeah, I learned exactly how fast I can move! Anyway, needless to say, we were done with the crane company at that point. So we shifted gears and decided to use car jacks and cribbing to lift the ALAMO off its trucks. To assist with this task, the Texas State Railroad gratiously allowed us the use of two 50-ton car jacks. Between those two and the two Jim had with him, we lifted up and cribbed the ALAMO. Once the car was up high enough, the trucks were removed, and the dollies were slid under. This is where the cushion draft gear became an issue. Jim had to change things up on his dollies to allow the ALAMO to ride safely.
Once all the preparations were done, on the morning of February 7th, the ALAMO finally moved out of her home of 32 years and began her journey to her new home in Southeast Bexar county.

So as of today, the ALAMO is sitting behind our museum in Elmendorf, waiting for the cranes to arrive this week and place her on her new display(restoration) track. Our group of insanely dedicated volunteers are itching to get started on the restoration. We've already been looking into what will be needed to get the ALAMO back up to operational status. We need to get a car floor plan for the ALAMO. The that came with a car is a diagram for the steam heating system. In addition, we've got a service manual for the Waukesha generator, in excellent condition.

So I've got several questions for y'all.

1.) Can anyone tell me where I can get the floor plans for the car?

2.) Would it be good to upgrade to a new generator or reuse the Waukesha?

3.) Is there a place where we can get replica light fixtures made?
(Out of all the light fixtures in the car, only three were stolen before the car was sold into private ownership)

4.) Is there a place where we can get replica China for the car?
(All the China from the car was stolen from the car. Same time as the light fixtures.)


We are so excited to be restoring this beautiful piece of railroad history. The ALAMO is a prime example of passenger railcar beauty. The car is, dare I say, 99.8% complete!!! It's has also presented our organization a treasure trove of historic SP paper goods, maps, and other stationary. We couldn't be more fortunate in receiving the ALAMO as part of our collection!


Gary Rodriguez
President
San Antonio Railroad Heritage Museum


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 Post subject: Re: Southern Pacific business car #127, ALAMO
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:18 pm 

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You wouldn’t happen to know anything about two heavyweight business cars sitting in UP’s San Antonio East Yard, would you?

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Pacific business car #127, ALAMO
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:27 pm 

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Yes I do. One is the SSW Dixie, owned by the Tyler RR Museum. The other is a old business car from an unknown RR. The guys from Tyler are looking to move their car to Tyler soon and we've been working on the other car as another potential acquisition.

Gary Rodriguez
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San Antonio Railroad Heritage Museum


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 Post subject: Re: Southern Pacific business car #127, ALAMO
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:59 pm 

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In response to the inquiry about floor plans, etc.

The car is covered in the Southern Pacific Historical & Technical Society book Southern Pacific Official Cars pages 374-378. This includes both a reproduction of a T&NO diagram of the car credited to the SPH&TS and a reproduction of the Pullman Co. original floor plan credited to the Illinois Railway Museum, Pullman Library.

The car was built on Pullman Lot (order) No. 7092. You will need to quote this number when contacting the Illinois Railway Museum, Pullman Library regarding obtaining copies of the floor plan and any other construction plans. There will be a charge. This collection generally includes the construction specifications and this document will contain the individual drawing numbers; a copy of this document would be a good start.

Ted Anderson, the volunteer curator, occasionally posts on "Interchange" and he has stated the best contact is using the email address (that is found on the linked page).

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Pacific business car #127, ALAMO
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:02 am 

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Photos, please. But, then, I'd like any and all posts about a business car to include a photo.


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 Post subject: Re: Southern Pacific business car #127, ALAMO
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:59 am 

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The "Mallard Transportation" car coupled to the SSW Dixie in San Antonio is ex MKT 402.


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