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 Post subject: RAILROADERS MEMORIAL MUSEUM SAVES HISTORIC P.R.R. B60b BAGGA
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RAILROADERS MEMORIAL MUSEUM SAVES HISTORIC P.R.R. B60b BAGGAGE CAR

[ALTOONA, PA, FEBRUARY 8—] Working with the Rail Excursion Management Corporation (RailExCo) and FMW Solutions, the Railroaders Memorial Museum (RMM) has acquired a historic Pennsylvania Railroad baggage car to support its eventual plans to operate K4 Class steam locomotive No. 1361, which is currently undergoing restoration to operation in Altoona.

“As part of our plan to restore and operate steam locomotive No. 1361 in rail tourism service, we’ve begun the creation of a rolling museum exhibit train that will travel with it. These cars will not only help us visually recreate a Pennsylvania Railroad passenger train, but host exhibits and educational displays that will bring railroad history to every community the locomotive visits,” explained Joe DeFrancesco, Executive Director of the RMM.

The baggage car, classified as a B60b model car, was built in the 1920s for use on the storied railroad. It was donated to the RMM by RailExCo, who had acquired it at auction from Amtrak in late 2022 to save it from being scrapped. The car had served at Amtrak’s Ivy City (Washington, D.C.) terminal as a maintenance-of-way car for many decades when it finally came up for auction in mid-2022.

“We knew the car had an important value as an artifact, and it was in good enough shape to be saved for future restoration,” said Auxier. “When searching for a new home, we reached out to FMW Solutions, and they connected the pieces with the RMM.”

Working alongside RailExCo and FMW, the RMM was able to assemble a plan to get the railcar moved out of DC and back to its former home in Altoona. Key to the plan was finding a practical place to store the car. Though plans call for it to be eventually be moved to the roundhouse in Altoona for restoration, a plan materialized to store the railcar on the Everett Railroad.

“When the Altoona Museum approached us about the opportunity to take delivery of the B60, we were happy to lend a hand, and some track space, to provide it a temporary home,” explained Everett Railroad President Alan Maples. “As with their other collaborators, the Everett Railroad is honored to play a small part in bolstering railroad preservation in Central Pennsylvania, and we value the chance to support this restoration project.”

The exact history of the baggage car is uncertain. It was built in the 1920s, though the original car number, thus the key identifier, is unknown. The car is presumed to be numbered PRR 9004, as documentation was found in car when arrived at Claysburg. It is evident that the PRR renumbered B60bs throughout their careers. In time, RMM will research to find original car numbers for both No. 9004 and the museum’s other B60b No. 9055 (presently on display at the museum).

“We are excited to see our fleet of rolling stock grow in order to support the K4 No.1361’s education program as well as its operation,” said DeFrancesco. “Above all, we are happy to have had the support of our donors, and a few industry partners, whose collaboration and vision enabled us a chance to save this historic railcar.”

Each exhibit car will tell the story of railroading as can be seen in the thematic displays at the museum’s interpretive center housed in the historic PRR Master Mechanic’s Office Building in downtown Altoona. Equipped with technology, displays, and interpretive text panels. The Railroaders Memorial Museum’s mission is to preserve the human element of railroading and celebrate the railroader’s contribution to the industry.

Each car will be inspected for structural, mechanical, and compliance standards. A work order will outline the scope of repairs and upgrades needing to be done. The cars will be overhauled in those respective areas, readied for exhibitory outfitting. A timeline for completion or cost estimates have yet to be determined.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 1:10 pm 

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Did this car originally have a clerestory roof, later "streamlined" as shown?
Kudos to Alan Maples for helping with the project.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:38 am 

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Glad to see that car saved. I used to see it sitting at Ivy City with the wreck train all the time when I worked for Amtrak in DC. It was always fairly well kept in the '80s and '90s, like most wreck train equipment, just sitting, waiting for something bad to happen.


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 Post subject: Re: RAILROADERS MEMORIAL MUSEUM SAVES HISTORIC P.R.R. B60b B
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Another positive indicator from the ARRM. An authentic Pennsy train to roll behind the K4s will be a great accomplishment.

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I'm wondering ( based on what's left of the blue paint) if this might be one of the 3 baggs we had on the head end of the Golden Spike Centennial Limited that carried displays showing American railroading's past, present and future.???

Sure looks like the blue paint used on that train.

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co614 wrote:
I'm wondering ( based on what's left of the blue paint) if this might be one of the 3 baggs we had on the head end of the Golden Spike Centennial Limited that carried displays showing American railroading's past, present and future.???

Sure looks like the blue paint used on that train.

Ross Rowland

Someone doesn't know that Washington Terminal Co.'s work equipment was either painted in a very similar shade of blue as the GSC train, or (in the case of the RS1s that were the terminal switchers) painted in a darker blue that eventually faded to a pastel-shaded lighter blue, once again similar.

As I understand it, your "control" would be the nearly-extinct ex-WT RS1 59 over in/near Salem, NJ--discussed in this forum in the past, although I think the owner at the time slapped another coat of lighter blue over it in the interim.


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Wasn't the last operating MP-54 in that blue?

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Would make sense. I remember reading about the Washington Terminal shuttle from the employee parking lot to the engine terminal.

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Washington Terminal M.U. car 300. ex-Penn Central 618, is one of two blue-and-white cars (the other, ex-PC 659, is to be WT 301) that will pro vide WT employees with shuttle service between Ivy City Terminal and Union Sta tion because the Visitors Center construction will eliminate their parking lot


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Did this car originally have a clerestory roof, later "streamlined" as shown?


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wesp wrote:
Did this car originally have a clerestory roof, later "streamlined" as shown?


While some earlier cars in class B60 had clerestory roofs, as near as can be determined from the photos I've seen, and this collection of diagrams, cars from class B60a and later were built with these round roofs.

I was surprised, when looking at these diagrams, to see how at least some of the B60a class were built with end doors, like the better known horse express cars.

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiag ... &sz=sm&fr=

Some other PRR pages that might be of interest:

http://prr.railfan.net/

https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php ... icles-blog

https://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php ... oach-fleet


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Ed Kapuscinski wrote:
Would make sense. I remember reading about the Washington Terminal shuttle from the employee parking lot to the engine terminal.

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Washington Terminal M.U. car 300. ex-Penn Central 618, is one of two blue-and-white cars (the other, ex-PC 659, is to be WT 301) that will provide WT employees with shuttle service between Ivy City Terminal and Union Station because the Visitors Center construction will eliminate their parking lot


See attached file for photo from June 76 Trains.

The two WT shuttle MP54s ended up at the Wilmington & Western along with three from SEPTA.

The two WT cars when they arrived had different shades of blue. I recall one being almost B&O Royal Blue and the other being pretty much Conrail blue. Just to show you there was no real standardization of "Washington Terminal Blue."

The vague memories I had of the WT B60 would have been a badly faded/chalked CR blue. Go chisel under the graffiti and get back to us.


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Other than some fresher industrial paint on some replacement steel, cab sides, former WT 59 at Salem didn't receive any new paint since leaving WT. The blue on the hoods is a good example of what the WT blue fades to. The unit's new owner has plans to fix up all the vandalism, replace all of the stolen parts and return the unit to service.

The biggest part missing is the proper PG governor. Someone carefully removed it and covered up the opening in the cam box with duct tape. I suspect it was removed for another 539 restoration, and the party had plans on harvesting more parts, hence the duct tape.


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