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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:55 pm 

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Interesting recent discussion on building new steam in the thread "On the subject of newbuilds". Was therefore surprised to find this on the internet tonight:

http://www.lindendepotmuseum.org/steam.html

Apparently the museum is going to try to build a replica of an 1837 4-2-0 steamer to honor their 25th Anniversary! I won't comment except to recommend looking at another thread entitled "Just a plain old New York Central steam era 40' steel boxcar". That car was reported as coming to the Linden museum in 2015 and apparently has still not done so.

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Not unusual for that to happen as another early engine is actually a replica.


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Note a word conspicuous by its absence:

"operational"


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:08 am 

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It depends on their intentions. Where will an operable locomotive run in Linden, and with which car consist? With a 5-digit sum and a fair amount of volunteers' work, they may get a reasonable piece for museum display to be proud of.


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484Mike wrote:
It depends on their intentions. Where will an operable locomotive run in Linden, and with which car consist? With a 5-digit sum and a fair amount of volunteers' work, they may get a reasonable piece for museum display to be proud of.


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Mike - Good questions. The old Monon (CI&L) to Nickel Plate interchange track is mostly still in place, now used as the "tail track" by the nearby Ethanol plant. Not much trackage, but certainly in place. The old NKP right-of-way still exists to the west (across the still active Monon, now CSX tracks) and to the east (across two lane U.S. highway 231). Both ways are easy walks from the Linden depot, but not without hazards (train/auto) to patrons. Advantage would be no rail crossings that would mean FRA control. If you're going to build a locomotive replication such as they propose, laying a half mile of track would seem doable.

For a display piece, I would guess that your 5-digit estimate might be in the ballpark. For an operable piece, either steam or motorized, I would think the cost would be quite a bit higher. As for cars; they DO have two cabooses. Not authentic, but at least something that could be used.

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Lack of a brake is probably a critical limiting feature for hauling cars with riders today. Perhaps somebody at the B&O Museum can comment as to whether the drawings, patterns and any other items used to build the Lafayette are still around and available.

I don't think it will cost as much as many might imagine - especially if there's no hurry, and you work out a good network of donated in kind specialty jobs. The parts are all fairly small and lightweight relative to more modern locomotives, say from the 1850's on.......

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I once saw a full size replica of the Rocket. It probably had been excessed by a museum and then was bought by the classic car collector. It had a cut away boiler and cylinder. I was impressed. Just a thought.
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Fascinating. In the mid-1830's, Norris engines were the first heavy haul engines, even with a 4-2-0 wheel arrangement: putting the firebox behind the driving axle gave them the weight on drivers. One pulled a train up the Belmont Plane of the Columbia RR in Philadelphia, demonstrating that an adhesion engine can pull a load up a grade.

These engines were among USA's first high tech exports when several were exported to England for the Lickey Incline, near Birmingham, which had a grade of 2.65%, steep for the day. English builders would not bid on the project.

Others were exported to Austria for the Gloggnitzer Railway, later part of the Sudbahn from Vienna to Adriatic tidewater at Trieste. The Philadelphiabrucke station on Vienna's U6 line was named for the Norris engine Philadelphia and a nearby building has a mural of this engine. The station has since been renamed Bahnhof Meidling.

In addition to the operating replica of the Lafayette at the B&O Museum, Allegheny Portage NHS has a wooden replica built in 1892 for the B&O, on loan from the B&O Museum.

These were very significant pieces of US Industrial history.

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EJ Berry wrote:
Others were exported to Austria for the Gloggnitzer Railway, later part of the Sudbahn from Vienna to Adriatic tidewater at Trieste. The Philadelphiabrucke station on Vienna's U6 line was named for the Norris engine Philadelphia and a nearby building has a mural of this engine. The station has since been renamed Bahnhof Meidling.

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The mural (it actually appears to be a tiled mosaic) on the building in Vienna, seen back in 2006....

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Here you go... if TV can do it, anybody can, just takes money. It would have been more interesting if the "walking beams" were actually walking at 0:16, but they'd have been running pretty fast. They must have had multiple replicas built for the different close-up shots.

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/7dP6/jameson-irish-whiskey-the-iron-horse

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:44 pm 

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I contacted the Linden Depot Museum about the locomotive and this was the reply I received “The steam engine is being designed to be a static display, and will not be under pressurized steam. It will be built primarily of steel; the domed firebox is 3/8" rolled steel, and the boiler is 3/16" rolled steel.”

So, not operational but it sounds like it will be fairly substantial.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:21 pm 

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EJ Berry wrote:
Fascinating. In the mid-1830's, Norris engines were the first heavy haul engines, even with a 4-2-0 wheel arrangement: putting the firebox behind the driving axle gave them the weight on drivers. One pulled a train up the Belmont Plane of the Columbia RR in Philadelphia, demonstrating that an adhesion engine can pull a load up a grade.

These engines were among USA's first high tech exports when several were exported to England for the Lickey Incline, near Birmingham, which had a grade of 2.65%, steep for the day. English builders would not bid on the project.

Others were exported to Austria for the Gloggnitzer Railway, later part of the Sudbahn from Vienna to Adriatic tidewater at Trieste. The Philadelphiabrucke station on Vienna's U6 line was named for the Norris engine Philadelphia and a nearby building has a mural of this engine. The station has since been renamed Bahnhof Meidling.

In addition to the operating replica of the Lafayette at the B&O Museum, Allegheny Portage NHS has a wooden replica built in 1892 for the B&O, on loan from the B&O Museum.

These were very significant pieces of US Industrial history.

Phil Mulligan


Norris Brothers also built some nice open cab 4-4-0s for the P and R. Very well built and powerful locomotive for that era. UK has an operating replica of Trevethick's locomotive.

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