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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 5:17 pm 

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DavidKaplan wrote:
Good grief! How much oil could have possibly leaked from Engine 503? Surely the tender was virtually empty when it was placed in that location. Any oil in the lubricators would probably be negligible.

I would think many automobiles have leaked more oil than that locomotive.


A quick googling found this statement, (***which may or may not be the same amount for the location in question, but it gives you a general idea***) "The State considers a soil sample yielding a total petroleum hydrocarbon (TPH) level greater than 10 parts per million to indicate contamination requiring cleanup. "

While they may have a different threshold than 10 PPM, the fact remains that during remediation they search for trace amounts. A few gallons leaching into the soil over the years can cause a large amount of contamination.


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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:23 pm 

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Which makes me wonder what the acres of jalopy covered auto graveyards get for testing and remediation.

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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:50 pm 

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"... what the acres of jalopy covered auto graveyards get for testing and remediation."


A quick levels check and a field of cores to see how far down the levels of 'key' pollutants have gone, followed by excavation and either removal of contaminated soil or on-site pyrolysis.

My father had a broker who was always proposing great ideas, like getting in on the emu-breeding frenzy only a couple of generations in. One thing they were financing was a company that was building complete pyrolysis systems into mobile trailers, to be driven to these brownfield and blackfield sites that were suitable for pyrolytic cleanup. I didn't follow up the 'opportunity', but something like it was certainly done in quantity, as most of the auto graveyard horrors I remember patronizing are clean (and devoid of ancient parts opportunities!) now.

I suspect there was quite a bit of old heavy oil caked in that cistern, and I don't doubt that some fraction of that leaked down over the years and particularly after the hurricane inundation. This is an area that Inland specializes in, according to their web site. So they almost certainly know exactly what's there, how deep it goes, and what it will take to correct it to TDEQ specs.

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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:30 pm 

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Anything new here or is this project dead now? Donations returned?


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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:06 pm 

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Hello! No, the project is not dead... We are just waiting for the City to make a decision. Quite interestingly (at least to us), the City has recently held an executive session discussion to assess the land value of Bryan Park... We do not know why, or whether the discussion is related to the locomotive.

If you haven't already, please see the proposal we submitted to the City of Port Arthur at http://nextgenrail.com

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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:49 pm 

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The City's intention to discuss the value of land located at 1000 Gulfway Drive (Bryan Park) was originally published last Friday. In order to give Mr. Sobczynski time to investigate this development, I was not going to post this, but since Mr. Hovey brought it up:

https://www.panews.com/2018/05/14/port-arthur-still-awaiting-soil-test-results/

Mr. Hovey - You and Mr. Sobczynski may want to consider reaching out to Mr. Beard and asking him what, if anything, is going on with the property at 1000 Gulfway Drive. He may not know steam boilers but he does appear to be an astute politician within Port Arthur. If this in any way impacts the City's plan for 503, I would not be surprised if he is on it already.


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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 9:58 pm 

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Baseless internet prediction of the week:

Near 0 contamination of any kind found. Samples only come back with traces or less. This entire rigamarole was a farce to begin with. Heads roll.


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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:54 am 

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Classic gov't. actions. When the soil results come back then the Council will need to face the reality that the citizens action group has not raised anywhere near the amounts needed to rehab the 503 nor provide her with an enclosed, climate controlled display building.

At that point one would hope that they would see Jason's offer to take the 503 off their hands and move her towards a brighter future as the best option for their cash starved city??

Sure hope I'm proven wrong but my bet is that they will decide to keep the engine in PA, spend taxpayer dollars to throw some house paint on her and pledge to "work towards" a long term display plan involving an indoor building etc.

We'll soon know. Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:05 pm 

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I do not believe the City feels obligated to provide the kind of thorough, top notch preservation of the locomotive that people here would expect. They may head for a goal of eventual painting and signage, but I believe they would be perfectly content to let the engine sit where it is, and as it is, in the meantime. Some of the residents may wish to see the engine run again, but will be willing to wait for that possibility to arrive some time in the future.

But generally, I also don’t think they are relating to the point of total restoration, let alone desirous of it. And so they can easily rule that out especially if it requires giving the engine to others to take to another state. They see that as a loss of the locomotive and its history with the City.


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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:09 pm 

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Here is a time lapse video of the locomotive move on the contractor's page.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 3986109304


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 Post subject: Re: L&A 503
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 8:55 am 

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nahovey wrote:
Hello! No, the project is not dead... We are just waiting for the City to make a decision. Quite interestingly (at least to us), the City has recently held an executive session discussion to assess the land value of Bryan Park... We do not know why, or whether the discussion is related to the locomotive.

If you haven't already, please see the proposal we submitted to the City of Port Arthur at http://nextgenrail.com

Nick Hovey


Keep diggin'!

May want to proofread the proposal. Bottom of page 4 of 7, sentence with 'A fate which will ultimately (in decades) ultimately lead to.....'.

Also, page 5 of 7, there is a reference to the City of Macon. Gives it a recycled, CoG 509 feel. Last, there is no page 7 as the preceeding pages reference.

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