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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:12 am 

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My late father told a story of when original museum members/boiler makers who worked at the 20th street PRR shops reflued MCQ #1 after it first arrived at the museum, they acquired never used K-4/L-1 flues from the PRR shop scrap pile and cut them in half. In all likelihood, those are the tubes in her today.

So here is a question. Growing up around the museum with #1 and #578 operating, I always heard them referred to as "flues," never "tubes." Today I mostly hear tubes. Perhaps the terminology of "flue" was PRR in nature?

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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:39 pm 

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Is this the B&O caboose that used to be at Toboso, OH just west of Zanesville? Sure looks like it. Had given up on it.

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It can be seen on the roster that last year, you acquired a Baltimore & Ohio caboose. Is this on the property yet? What is the condition of the caboose? Thanks for the update.


She arrived last September. She needs A LOT of work (we have found a pair of trucks though!) and is going to be a long-term project, but we saved her in all sense of the word - the property she was on was scheduled for demolition within a couple days and would have rendered her as wood debris and scrap metal.

Photo is her sitting next to our 65-ton GE.

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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:09 pm 

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bbunge wrote:
My late father told a story of when original museum members/boiler makers who worked at the 20th street PRR shops reflued MCQ #1 after it first arrived at the museum, they acquired never used K-4/L-1 flues from the PRR shop scrap pile and cut them in half. In all likelihood, those are the tubes in her today.

So here is a question. Growing up around the museum with #1 and #578 operating, I always heard them referred to as "flues," never "tubes." Today I mostly hear tubes. Perhaps the terminology of "flue" was PRR in nature?

Bob


She was fixed up by the NYC shops and then had K4 and L1 flues put in her? So much history in such a little locomotive, that's amazing! Personally I've heard both used often but 'tubes' a lot more than 'flues'... I've never heard 'flues' used for western steam though, so maybe it was an eastern thing? Anyone else feel free to chime in.


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Is this the B&O caboose that used to be at Toboso, OH just west of Zanesville? Sure looks like it. Had given up on it.


C2208 here came from Reynoldsburg, just outside of the Columbus limits. I wasn't personally there for the move and am only going by outside sources, but it's definitely her in the photos I've seen geotagged there.

I did a quick search and yours in question is C2245, younger sister of ours. The most current photo I could find of her was in 2013 and still in Toboso, who knows what's become her now.

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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:41 pm 

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Here's a June, 1959 photo of Number 1 pushin' 578 around.

(Myers Machinery Movers do excellent work by the way.)

Unrelated question:

Why, Why, Why....

What's the reason... No, wait.

What could possibly be the reason/explanation the bell on Number 1 is missing?

John


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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:09 am 
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What could possibly be the reason/explanation the bell on Number 1 is missing?

If it wasn't removed for safe-keeping or was previously lost, they do have a tendency to disappear rather quickly. Almost like magic.

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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:35 am 

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jayrod wrote:
Atkinson_Railroad wrote:
What could possibly be the reason/explanation the bell on Number 1 is missing?

If it wasn't removed for safe-keeping or was previously lost, they do have a tendency to disappear rather quickly. Almost like magic.


Eric hit the nail on the head. I've known 1 since I was a toddler (she's what got me into this whole thing, versus most people my age have another tank engine, theirs being blue) and she's never had any of her 'jewelry' - no whistle, no bell, and even no headlight until she went on loan.

From what I understand, everything off of all the equipment at ORM, both steam locomotives and all the streetcars and interurbans, was taken off and given to members for safe keeping. Unfortunately a lot of it never came back, and who knows where it wound up. Not to add to the rumor mill, but I've been told that 578's builders plate is sitting on someone's mantle while we only have a replica.

Both of 1's plates are in our possession, as well as the old fashioned oil burning headlight. Next time the big railroad memorabilia show rolls into Columbus, I'm going to see if I can find a bell that would fit her. For 578, two former volunteers obtained her original bell back in 2011-12 yet refused to tell us how they got it, so I'm unfortunately clueless on that. We also bought her replica PYLE marker lights and have her original headlight from the N&W as well, it just needs some work before it can be put back on.

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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:36 am 

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Where I've worked, tubes were the small ones and bigger flues held the superheater elements.

I wonder if Larry Curran is still founding bells? www.bellsandbirmans.com

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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:45 pm 

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A long time ago there was a thread here where it was resolved that "flues" were big pipes with superheaters in them and all the other passages were "tubes".

In western rivers steamboat boilers, they are "flues", and in UK language, they are "flues".

In Danish, we do distinguish between the two, but the name is nearly the same.

Superheater flue: Overheder kedelrør

Ordinary tube: kedelrør

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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:57 pm 

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According to steamfitters with whom I have worked, 4" and above are flues, below are tubes. Since they are in the industry I'll take their word......mld


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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:49 pm 

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I got out some PRR diagrams. It appears the change from "tubes" to "flues" occurred as superheat came in.

For example, a D16d 4-4-0, a saturated 1890's express passenger engine with 80" drivers, had 310 1 7/8" diameter "tubes" while a D16sb 4-4-0, a superheated 1900's local passenger and light freight engine with 68" drivers, has 159 1 7/8" and 21 5 1/2" "flues." The D16sb heating surfaces also shows 253 sq ft of superheater "tubes."

Thus on PRR at least it appears they used the term "flues" for all the pipes carrying hot gasses from the firebox through the boiler to the smokebox, and "tubes" for the pipes carrying steam within the larger flues in order to superheat the steam.

I understand other roads might have used "flues" for the larger hot gas pipes and "tubes" for the smaller ones.

Of course we call the boilers "firetube" boilers, and replacement of the firetubes a "flue job." You say "tomayto", I say "tomahto"...

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 Post subject: Re: An Update On The Ohio Railway Museum
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:07 pm 

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Thus on PRR at least it appears they used the term "flues" for all the pipes carrying hot gasses from the firebox through the boiler to the smokebox, and "tubes" for the pipes carrying steam within the larger flues in order to superheat the steam.


Which is totally consistent with "fire tube" and "water tube" boilers. Flue is a description of usage; if the tube carries hot gasses, it's a flue, same as a chimney flue. But the material is still a tube, the tube mill doesn't know what you are going to use it for; they are going to sell you tubes.

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