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 Post subject: Mount Rainier Scenic closed
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:17 pm 

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It has been announced that the Mount Rainier Scenic RR has stopped all passenger service until August. The reason given are the fires in Colorado which effect the owners other road the Durango & Silverton.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:36 am 
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Can someone explain to me how any business model could possibly involve shutting down operations for someone several states away (and really not in any major fire danger, unlike last year), based only on a large fire effecting a totally different operation run by the same parent company?
Under this mindset, wouldn't it just save them all the operating money if they just never ran trains again anywhere?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:53 am 

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To wantonly speculate based on your rather good question:

Is it at all possible that the company's railroad liability insurance just got abruptly cancelled?

How dry has it been up there?

What other RR operations does the company own/operate, if any?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:15 pm 

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My personal opinion, based purely on the press release, and not, in any manner, speaking for the company, is that it is a financial decision, rather than a fire danger risk (MRRR only has oil burners and fire risk is normal for this time of year) or an insurance issue.

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American Heritage Railways Suspends Passenger Service at Mt. Rainier Railroad Through August 3
Historic Scenic Railroad Near Mount Rainier National Park to Resume Service in Late Summer with Family-Friendly Special Events and Experiential Tasting Excursions Featuring Notable Washington Wineries, Breweries, and Cideries


DURANGO, Colo. - June 7, 2018 - PRLog -- American Heritage Railways, Inc. (http://www.americanheritagerailways.com/)(AHR), the country's premier scenic tourist rail operator, the industry expert in rail-related special event management, and the parent company of the Mt. Rainier Railroad and Logging Museum (MRRR)™ (https://mtrainierrailroad.com/) and the Durango & Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad (D&SNGRR)™ (http://www.durangotrain.com/), today announced it is suspending all MRRR passenger service and special events through August 3, 2018, due to the long-term operational and financial impact posed by the current 416 Fire in Durango on the D&SNGRR's overall business. Additionally, the inaugural Train to Table event scheduled for Friday evenings in August has been canceled for this year. The MRRR's Logging Museum in Mineral, Wash. will remain open limited hours during this time.

All guests whose train excursions are canceled as a result of this decision will receive full, immediate and automatic ticket refunds. Ticket holders should allow 7-10 business days for their refunds to be processed and appear on their credit card statements.

Located in Elbe, Wash., the MRRR will resume passenger service in early August to accommodate families still traveling on summer vacation and other guests interested in the railroad's rich logging and pioneering histories. In addition to conserving financial and human resources, the MRRR will also utilize the next several months to plan, execute, and promote its highly-anticipated slate of popular fall special events, including PEANUTS™ The Great Pumpkin Patch Express, THE POLAR EXPRESS™ Train Ride, and three adults-only affairs for cider, craft beer, and wine connoisseurs: Hard Cider Express, Washington Wine Express, and Rails to Ales: The Oktoberfest Express. The MRRR's 2018 fall schedule and special events calendar can be found at http://mtrainierrailroad.com/train-excu ... ial-events.

"We remain fully committed to the long-term vibrancy and sustainability of the MRRR, and to providing Pacific Northwest travelers with a unique, enjoyable, and affordable family-friendly travel experience that combines the state's fascinating pioneering and logging histories with the unparalleled beauty of the Cascade forests," said Allen C. Harper, co-founder, chairman, and chief executive officer of American Heritage Railways. "While this was a difficult decision to make, we strongly believe the MRRR will emerge from this service hiatus as a more robust and improved historic scenic railroad that is strongly positioned for ongoing growth and development. In fact, we are currently assessing several ambitious short- and long-range expansion plans for the MRRR which will create more exhilarating guest experiences for passengers of all ages."

Today's announcement follows yesterday's D&SNGRR's extended suspension of its coal-fired steam train steam passenger service through at least Sun., June 17, after extensive consultation with local authorities and agencies regarding their progress in containing the 416 Fire and the status of current fire, drought and weather conditions. Additionally, the railroad canceled the 2018 edition of its popular family-oriented dinosaur train experience, The T-REX Express, originally scheduled for the weekends of June 16-17 and June 23-24.

"Given the severity of the 416 Fire, and the projected effects of this tragic fire on the Durango community and American Heritage Railways' multi-faceted business portfolio, we are carefully auditing all corporate assets at this time to determine where constructive changes in strategy, operations, and cash flow can be made," added Harper. "It is our sincere hope this thorough evaluation will not lead to more challenging decisions, but rather reveal opportunities which the corporation can leverage to make each property as healthy and viable as possible for the future."


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:20 pm 

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p51 wrote:
Can someone explain to me how any business model could possibly involve shutting down operations for someone several states away (and really not in any major fire danger, unlike last year), based only on a large fire effecting a totally different operation run by the same parent company?
Under this mindset, wouldn't it just save them all the operating money if they just never ran trains again anywhere?


Imagine your ran a franchise business. Your main store is doing great, and you buy a store in a different town. Right now, that store isn't profitable yet, but you feel it has great potential and could definitely make money in the future. So, for the short term, you accept the losses while working to make it better, grow customer base, and improve revenues. You do that using some of the profit from your main operation.

Suddenly, there's a major revenue change at your main operation. You no longer have the profits coming in that you were planning to use to grow the new operation, and it's the slowest time of the year for the new place. What do you do now?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:29 pm 
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Bobharbison wrote:
Imagine your ran a franchise business. Your main store is doing great, and you buy a store in a different town. Right now, that store isn't profitable yet, but you feel it has great potential and could definitely make money in the future. So, for the short term, you accept the losses while working to make it better, grow customer base, and improve revenues. You do that using some of the profit from your main operation.

Suddenly, there's a major revenue change at your main operation. You no longer have the profits coming in that you were planning to use to grow the new operation, and it's the slowest time of the year for the new place. What do you do now?

Bob, that only makes sense if it really is the slow season. You of all people know that right now, it's the prime season for any tourist operation in the Pacific Northwest...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:46 pm 

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I grew up in the tourist business. Summertime was "bread & butter" time, when the resort made most, if not all, the money to carry us through the winter. Even if the line is being "carried" by the D&S, this is the one time of the year that it would make enough to at least cover the present, immediate, expenses--or at the very least, cost the least to operate due to offsetting sales; either way, it makes little sense to shut it down right now-not only does it hurt current sales, but it puts a major dent in future sales (as in, don't go there, they're not running). Reputation is critical in the tourist trade. If you don't deliver one time, then folks shy away, afraid you won't deliver when they are there.
Methinks something else is afoot, or the accountants are in control & don't understand the biz.
Just IMHO, of course!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:14 pm 

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Gentlemen, times have changed, and the plain vanilla excursions are no longer the bread and butter for most operations.

June was always a slow time, schools are still in session until mid month. Even when the railroad ran 6 days a week, we didn't start weekday operations until late June and things didn't start picking up until the July 4th weekend.

The railroad has over 35 years experience in proving that you cannot simply run excursion trains during the summer and make a long term profit. The museum tried it, Jack Anderson leased the equipment for a few years when the museum threatened to shut down and tried it. Nobody could make a long term go of it. If they had, the place wouldn't have needed to be put up for sale.

Special events are where the real money is. They run Polar Express from Thanksgiving through January 1st. A quick glance at their schedule shows nearly 100 runs are currently available. Even if you count the now cancelled Friday Evening trips, they had 6 trains per weekend for July. So the Polar Express has as many trains as roughly 15 weeks, or nearly 4 months worth of trains. I don't know how the revenue compares, I'm certainly guessing the Polar trains do better though. (Yes, obviously the fares are higher. But so are costs, two engines, more cars, snack service, the staffing needed is quite a lot larger, so it's not that easy to compare.) When they first bought the line, they indicated events like that are where they hoped to generate the best revenue.

No, July is NOT peak season. December is.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:40 pm 

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Bobharbison wrote:
Gentlemen, times have changed, and the plain vanilla excursions are no longer the bread and butter for most operations.

June was always a slow time, schools are still in session until mid month. Even when the railroad ran 6 days a week, we didn't start weekday operations until late June and things didn't start picking up until the July 4th weekend.

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The same was true for our NRHS chapter in the Midwest-- June was a terrible month to try to sell mainline excursion tickees because of all the weddings and graduations.

the other Bob H !!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:15 pm 

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Has Mt. Rainier ever had great attendance? 20 years ago I remember going by (sadly I was on the way to a family wedding in the park and didn't get to ride) and the place looked like a ghost town back then. Mix-matched cars, rough looking track.. but a steam locomotive fired up and ready to go! I had hoped things had improved, and it sounded like they had.. but then sold to Harper which seemed like an odd thing for a non-profit to do, but I didn't know any details so I can't say much.

Either way.. I hope they, and D&S manage to survive this whole ordeal.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:24 pm 

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Imagine your ran a franchise business. Your main store is doing great, and you buy a store in a different town. Right now, that store isn't profitable yet, but you feel it has great potential and could definitely make money in the future. So, for the short term, you accept the losses while working to make it better, grow customer base, and improve revenues. You do that using some of the profit from your main operation.

Suddenly, there's a major revenue change at your main operation. You no longer have the profits coming in that you were planning to use to grow the new operation, and it's the slowest time of the year for the new place. What do you do now?[/quote]

Bob's logic is spot on.

We are scheduled to restart operations at the beginning of August because of the special events that begin then.

Meanwhile, track repairs and equipment maintenance continues...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:34 pm 

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The Mt. Rainier Railroad and Logging Museum will resume regular operations this weekend, nearly two months after it was shut down because of a wildfire in Colorado that shuttered its sister-railroad, the Durango & Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad.

At the time, officials with American Heritage Railways said the shutdown was done to “optimize” the organization’s resources. In a news release issued Tuesday, officials said the closure helped the railroad “improve” the visitor experience at the Washington tourist road.


http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/20 ... o-wildfire


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:07 am 

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Here's the official press release:

Mt. Rainier Railroad and Logging Museum to Resume Steam Train Passenger Service on Sat., Aug. 4

Historic Scenic Railroad Near Mount Rainier to Offer Regular Excursions Aug. 4 Through Sept. 2 and Then Transition to Busy Fall Calendar Featuring Wine and Beer Tastings, PEANUTS™ The Great Pumpkin Patch Express, and THE POLAR EXPRESS™ Train Ride

ELBE, Wash. - July 31, 2018 - PRLog -- The Mt. Rainier Railroad and Logging Museum (MRRR)™, which offers distinctive rail experiences and special events to passengers of all ages in the beautiful, scenic forested foothills near Mt. Rainier National Park, today announced it will resume steam train passenger service on Sat., Aug. 4, and operate regular excursions every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday until Sept. 2. The railroad is recommencing service after a brief hiatus to improve the marketing, logistics, execution, and passenger flow of its special events, and significantly enhance the overall MRRR guest experience at its Elbe depot and museum and event park in Mineral, Wash.

Beginning Sat., Sept. 8, the MRRR will transition to its fall special event schedule, which features three harvest season excursions showcasing notable Washington wines, craft beers, and hard ciders — Washington Wine Express, Rails to Ales: Oktoberfest Express, and Hard Cider Express; PEANUTS™ The Great Pumpkin Patch Express; and the always-popular THE POLAR EXPRESS™ Train Ride to help families celebrate the holiday season.

Tickets for regular excursions and all special events are now on sale through the MRRR's website at http://mtrainierrailroad.com/train-excu ... ial-events, or by calling the railroad's reservations hotline, seven days a week, at (360) 492-6000.

"The MRRR is back, and better than ever, after the many operational and business improvements orchestrated by the railroad's dedicated maintenance crew, front-office staff, and guest service personnel in recent months," said Bethan Maher, the new general manager of the Mt. Rainier Railroad and Logging Museum. "As always, the MRRR remains committed to staging fun, interactive, and affordable excursions and special events for a diverse spectrum of visitors. With that in mind, we trust our guests will notice and appreciate these enhancements the next time they board the MRRR, and enjoy a stellar experience when riding one of the premier historic scenic railroads in North America."

The following is the MRRR's regular excursion and special event schedule for the remainder of 2018:

Regular Excursions
August 4-5, 10-12, 17-19, 24-26, and Aug. 31 – Sept. 2
Two Excursions on Saturdays and Sundays

Hard Cider Express
September 8-9
Two Excursions Each Day

Washington Wine Express
September 15-16, 22-23 and 29-30
Two Excursions Each Day

Rails To Ales: The Oktoberfest Express
October 6-7
Two Excursions Each Day

PEANUTS™ The Great Pumpkin Patch Express
October 13-14 and 20-21
Three Excursions Each Day

THE POLAR EXPRESS™ Train Ride
November 16 – December 31
Three Excursions on Most Days

Ticket Pricing and Availability
Tickets for regular excursions and all special events are now on sale through the MRRR's website at http://mtrainierrailroad.com/train-excu ... ial-events, or by calling the railroad's reservations hotline, seven days a week, at (360) 492-6000.

All-day parking is available in the MRRR parking lot, adjacent to Elbe depot, for $4.00 per vehicle.


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