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 Post subject: Re: So you want to preserve some Amfleet?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:23 am 

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PaulWWoodring wrote:
Remember what Jim Boyd called them: "AMD-103, Armenian Made Diesel - 103% ugly".


Part of that was due to the paint scheme. Remember, the first P40s were delivered in a paint scheme that made the blue and red stripes appear dirty towards the rear of the carbody. Someone thought this was trendy but it just looked stupid. This was corrected on subsequent deliveries but ruined with the adoption of the current Amtrak scheme. Interestingly, I like the bloody nose scheme better on the P42 than I do on an E-unit.

Also, Metro-North's New Haven units look good.


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 Post subject: Re: So you want to preserve some Amfleet?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:42 pm 

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RCD wrote:
PMC wrote:
The early GE Genesis units have almost no resale value other than scrap, and believe it or not the Genesis units have been mainline power for almost as long as the F40s were. No one in the working trades (engineers, mechanical, etc.) likes them, but the bean counters who paid for them and the fuel did, a story to tell right there.

I don't think any of the genes#its have any vaule above scrap. If one were to be saved I would look gor the first one built and the ones that pulled Obamas inaugural train.

This attitude makes me a bit sad. I personally love the Genesis units. Have you ever stood next to one idling at a station, or heard one chugging away with a heavy train? Something about them exudes power. Not to mention they were some of the last units influenced by Deane Ellsworth in terms of acoustics - they were delivered with some of the best K5LAs ever and the horn placement is designed so that the sound waves bounce around in a recessed pocket to give it a very punchy, aggressive sound. The terrible horns many of them have now kind of ruin all this design, but they were also the first to have Amtrak’s special dual Graham White valve setup for a perfect half-blast.

Unfortunately I think most railfans will continue to have their heads stuck in the sand as far as the appeal of these units, and we will most likely lose most of them. I urge you to have an open mind.


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 Post subject: Re: So you want to preserve some Amfleet?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:08 pm 

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RTL-III wrote:
Unfortunately I think most railfans will continue to have their heads stuck in the sand as far as the appeal of these units, and we will most likely lose most of them. I urge you to have an open mind.


Bear in mind that RCD is an absolutely staunch advocate that the Genesis units are garbage, and loves to remind anyone and everyone of this at any opportunity. I wouldn't rely on him to be the voice of the modern generation's opinion.

I think it would be great if we could get a small "example train" of sorts set up. A P42DC, a sleeper, diner, lounge, and coach would be an excellent glimpse into what is currently the modern long distance passenger train. I've already sent an email off to the president of my local museum suggesting as much.


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