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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:43 am 

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The museum has not yet agreed to the contract extension. That will be decided by the board of directors, probably in the next week or two. They may yet agree to the extension, but they have not yet done so.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:07 pm 

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The city took possession of 2719 (well, ownership, not physical possession)

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/08/02-city-of-eau-claire-buys-back-soo-line-no-2719

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:40 am 

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I hope the museum can redeem 2719. I believe the city want more money on the sale that my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:01 pm 

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"Our ultimate vision – big picture vision – is to not only get it home, get it preserved and maintained in its current state, but also perhaps be able to get it back to operating condition. That is the big vision,” she said. “That would be maybe be a 10-year vision. To support that, the numbers that we’re playing around with are around $200,000.
- Eau Claire Official


Dum-dum-dum-dum.

I had no idea that the Wisconsin economy was so strong that these little local towns had money to burn on these hobbies.

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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:13 pm 

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"Our ultimate vision – big picture vision – is to not only get it home, get it preserved and maintained in its current state, but also perhaps be able to get it back to operating condition. That is the big vision,” she said. “That would be maybe be a 10-year vision. To support that, the numbers that we’re playing around with are around $200,000.


That sounds like a cost estimate using 1985 prices. For those aspirations, they should add a zero to their fundraising goal.


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I am the only to believe this situation is not the same has the 261 but just look alike

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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
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I am the only to believe this situation is not the same has the 261 but just look alike


Don’t understand what you are saying.

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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:34 pm 

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softwerkslex wrote:
The big wrote:
I am the only to believe this situation is not the same has the 261 but just look alike


Don’t understand what you are saying.


The 261 was resold after it was returned to its original owner. The situation of the 2719 makes me think the same thing

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:59 pm 

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It was never physically returned. The ownership remained with the museum until the Friends of 261 / Railroading Heritage of Midwest America purchased it from the museum.


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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:11 am 

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The MILW 261 situation was not the same as SOO 2719's.

IIRC the previous owner of 261 wanted to do a 10-year lease renewal to the 261 group that operated it when the first 1472 was up. The 261 group could not justify putting time and money into a second 1472 (15 year) rebuild if they would only have it for 10 years under the proposed renewal. At that time the 261 organization started looking at other steam engines to restore to replace 261. After more negotiations the then current owner of 261 sold it to the 261 group who then performed a second 1472 rebuild which it currently is operating under.

2719's situation is not hinging upon a rebuild or length of lease - it is simply a question of ownership and how said owner would take care of it now and in the future. I'm sure the city of Eau Claire has good intentions but they may not know just how much it will cost to move 2719 back plus construct a display area which hopefully includes a roof at the minimum. So I can see where some feel it may end up as "another park engine" rotting away. I know 2719 would be in good hands if it remains in Duluth far as being out of the elements while on display. The fact is that D&NE 28 is a better fit as an operable engine on the Duluth-Two Harbors line compared to Soo 2719. Yes, I've seen 2719 in operation up there and it can do the job - it's just that 28 is more suited to the line. That said I can also see the point of a second 1472 rebuild of 2719 would not need as much time and money compared to the first time.

All this discussion is probably a moot point if Eau Claire is set on bringing 2719 back there since they have exercised the right to repurchase it. Hopefully it all works out and 2719 will be suitably protected while on display.

I also appreciate the information regarding the 2719 fund since I understood the money was to fund a second rebuild once the original 1472 ran out. It's a shame something shady happened there as it was a good plan to insure 2719's continued operation.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:56 am 

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The legalities are obviously different but some of it appears very similar too or could be depending on how things go. The Nat RR museum in GB had ownership and would not negotiate a workable lease with the #261 gang. So when the #261 folks said "ok we won't renew lease come get your engine" then Green Bay museum crunched the numbers and came to the reality that moving it was way more than they could afford. So they came back to the table with realistic numbers and got out from under the responsibility of ownership. This was my understanding anyway. The similarities are coming to the realization of the cost of retrieval and storage once you get it home. We will see how this plays out maybe the city can raise the money maybe not. The locomotive is in a good spot regardless from outward appearances.

Now PA, TX and the L&A #503 had it much easier with little transportation costs involved. You add up all the transportation costs and couple that to the cost of placement in a park and protective/eye pleasing display area. Renegotiating a lease or ownership becomes more possible. We shall see. Regards, John.


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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:09 pm 

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I sent a persuasive letter to the entirety of their City Council to reconsider their desicion. I originally sent it to A town in Michigan with the same name by accident! :P

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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:17 pm 

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https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/government-and-politics/4596289-return-trip-doubtful-locomotive-2719

SO what next???

Its look like the Council has never raise the fund and now look the city would retain ownership of the locomotive and tender, but allow it to be leased by a museum and require that it be properly stored and maintained with hopes to get it in working order. A museum get a leased locomotive??

Really what a waste of time by this Councilman

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Should that museum no longer be interested in the locomotive, the resolution includes the option to see if museums or private groups elsewhere in the nation would be interested in leasing or buying the locomotive.


That remind me the milw 261 case now $$$$$$$$$

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 Post subject: Re: Soo Line No. 2719 may return to Wisconsin
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:57 pm 

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Well, this is sure an instance of "Your Tax Dollars at Work!". My bet is that the Soo 2719 will end up staying in Duluth because Eau Claire will not have the stomach to pay the half million dollars that will be needed to move and house it.

As for the pipe dream of the city performing the required 1472 and operating the engine, I can see the City paying consultants another $100,000 to look into the feasibility of a tourist railroad. After all, it's only the taxpayer's money, right?


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