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Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Move
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Author:  Pegasuspinto [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:56 am ]
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Worth every penny you paid for this, take it with a grain of salt, and no complaining if you can't/won't Facebook, but MTO apparently has popped up on Facebook. I can NOT verify these folks are authentic, I also am not suggesting they are not.

https://www.facebook.com/M-T-O-Vehicle-Storage-And-Refurbishment-2100790356801248/

Author:  Bartman-TN [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:39 am ]
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In April 2007, I chartered a photo freight on the railroad, covering the entire railroad. We went from the museum south to Sutherland Avenue, north to Tipton, and back to the museum. We had fun with photos at the Nickel Plate Bar & Grill using the NKP loco and boxcar. The consist was south to north:

NKP 426 - loco
NKP 8099 - boxcar
CR 435140 - hopper
PRR 257784 - covered hopper
GRCX 3746 - tankcar
Wabash 17193 - auto box
Central Indiana - flat
NKP 770 - caboose
NKP 1 - business car
ITM 3099 - coach
ITM 3078 - coach
ITM power combine
Monon 50 - loco

Bart

Author:  Robert J [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:22 am ]
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I was a patron on Bart's ITM charter mentioned above. It was a good trip even though there was a mix up on the allowable permitted track speed on ITM's part. I recall we were supposed to be able to do "passenger speed" when operating with the freight equipment in the consist and did so in the morning. Bart checked into this beforehand for planning purposes and was told we could run passenger speeds but then IIRC a member of the train crew disagreed and would not budge so we were limited to freight train speeds. The idea here was to move between photo locations as one consist then split them up into a passenger and a freight train for the photo runbys.

The choice for those on Bart's charter was to not have time to go all the way to Tipton if we kept the freight equipment or drop the freight cars so we could run at a faster speed to allow doing the remaining photo stops. It was decided to remove the freight cars when we passed back through Forest Park and do the rest of the charter with just the passenger consist. If my recollections on Bart's ITM charter is wrong hopefully he will step in here with corrections.

It still was a fun charter and I had hoped we could do another one in the future to cover the north end as originally planned with both a passenger and freight train which never happened.


I always thought ITM had great potential especially with the Fair Train operation but they never seemed to get their act together to make enough forward progress with equipment restoration and track maintenance. I'm sure the majority of the ITM volunteers were dedicated hard workers who had little say when it came to the big picture/decisions. I do feel for them since it seems most of their efforts were for naught - NKP 587 is now in Kentucky, a nice cosmetic restoration on the MILW SW1 ended up scrapped and the collection now scattered among different owners. Yes, I know ITM retained the core of the operating collection. Still, a sad end to what was once upon a time a good operating museum...

I just hope wherever ITM starts over that those in charge have learned from all this - own the land, keep the grounds/equipment in nice shape and have cordial relations with the town and neighbors. They have a chance to start over - hope it is done right this time around!

Author:  HudsonL [ Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:33 pm ]
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https://thetimes24-7.com/Content/News/L ... /1/1/59443

Author:  Bartman-TN [ Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:52 am ]
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Robert, you are correct. We had the schedule worked out in great detail until the day of the trip when another member suddenly changed the way the trip could operate. We did freight on the south end and then passenger only on the north end. We also had a 3-hour delay while there was some concern about a smoking locomotive (it hadn't been run in a while and it was simply stack soot), but we did a number of photo runbys and photo set-ups while waiting for mechanical people to show up. I found my minute-by-minute details of the trip, and someone sent me a reminder about me sleeping on the sidewalk during the delay. We had about 5 hours of total railroad-cause delay that day (we did photos whenever there was a delay), but we got some great photos that were in several of the hobby magazines. We also did a nice night photo session the night before in the snow.

Bart

Author:  airforcerail [ Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:07 am ]
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On a sort of related note, the new Nickel Plate Express, purchased a set of former Amtrak, former Santa Fe, hylevel cars for use on the new tourist operation. Now I may not be a smart man, but I don't see how they can truck them in there they're already over height. I would think that they're going to have to put the connection back in.

If you still have equipment there, maybe it will be possible to work out a deal with the city of Noblesville, to wait until after the interchange is put in to get your stuff out.

Big if, they are going to do that.

Author:  nathansixchime [ Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:13 am ]
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airforcerail wrote:
I don't see how they can truck them in there they're already over height. I would think that they're going to have to put the connection back in.


They are trucking the equipment in at Tipton.

Author:  airforcerail [ Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:26 am ]
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nathansixchime wrote:
airforcerail wrote:
I don't see how they can truck them in there they're already over height. I would think that they're going to have to put the connection back in.


They are trucking the equipment in at Tipton.


Thanks for the answer. I figured that would be pretty difficult due to the height of the cars, but where there is a will (and money) there is always a way!

Author:  Randy Gustafson [ Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:24 am ]
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I think we all saw this one coming:

https://www.ibj.com/articles/69511-prop ... mpensation

Now, what I'm still puzzled about is whether or not the federal rules still apply if the STB ruled that the line was legally abandoned way prior to the trails act and was under state jurisdiction (at least for service), or if because it was abandoned prior to the trails act and hit the state clause, is why it goes to federal settlement. Yet the STB said they still had jurisdiction to make this decision.

This still remains an odd situation given the reliance on "Common Carrier Status of States". That may affect service but not compensation.

Here's the decision to refresh your memory:
https://www.stb.gov/decisions/readingro ... enDocument

The only one I've seen blow up like this and go into federal compensation for landowners was the Port Royal "Beaufort Railroad", and in that one the local government had already put down a sewer/water line on the ROW and that was the basis for compensation back to the owners. And you'll see that one listed as precedent here.

Author:  John T [ Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:48 pm ]
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Were these two cranes moved?

Orton 15 tons Diesel 1961
Purdue University Purdue, IN
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1400230
Ohio 25 tons Diesel 1950
Alcoa #4

Or did they get the torch?

Author:  BigBoy 4023 [ Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:15 pm ]
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Monon connection museum according to the last update of the pdf list.

Robert

Author:  Chris Webster [ Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:06 am ]
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A post on another forum claims that "the City has seized the bank assets of ITM so that there will be sufficient funds for environmental remediation of the former museum site."

Author:  Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:56 pm ]
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Chris Webster wrote:
A post on another forum claims that "the City has seized the bank assets of ITM so that there will be sufficient funds for environmental remediation of the former museum site."


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Author:  softwerkslex [ Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:41 pm ]
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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Chris Webster wrote:
A post on another forum claims that "the City has seized the bank assets of ITM so that there will be sufficient funds for environmental remediation of the former museum site."


I agree. Please, check your sources before posting.

Author:  Chris Webster [ Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:34 pm ]
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softwerkslex wrote:
I agree. Please, check your sources before posting.
The other forum requires a login, so I cannot directly link to the post I quoted. I also lack the legal expertise needed to locate relevant court order(s).

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