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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 5:07 pm 

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The RRMPA does indeed have both a PRR RPO and a PRR covered hopper. The RPO is an early wooden car, currently displayed on track five in the display hall. The covered hopper is an early steel car, class and number unknown to me, currently displayed on one of the turntable radial tracks.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 5:37 pm 

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H31 for the covered hopper outside. If memory serves it was MOW for Metro North.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 10:16 pm 

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Les, I think the Monon boxcar you referenced is stored on a siding with some other equipment north of town, so not being actually in the park, wouldn't be included in the auction.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 10:40 pm 

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AlcoGuy wrote:
Les, I think the Monon boxcar you referenced is stored on a siding with some other equipment north of town, so not being actually in the park, wouldn't be included in the auction.


AlcoGuy -

I had forgotten about that storage area north of Noblesville. Thanks very much for the reminder, and for the logical explanation.

Les


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 10:55 pm 

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The up coming auction is something of a disappointment really. I thought all of the diesels had been accounted for and would be moving on to new homes. I don't know about anyone else? I am tired of this saga.

For what it's worth, I decided to reach out to SMS Rail in NJ again about the Baldwin #99. I don't have much hope for it though. There has been a couple Baldwin switchers scrapped in recent years do to a lack of interest and the difficulty in finding parts for them.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2019 11:16 pm 

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Does anyone have a update on the equipment left in Noblesville?

Hopefully the remaining passenger cars and remaining locomotives made it out


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 8:21 am 

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NS6770fan wrote:
IMHO, the Pennsy covered hopper, the Philadelphia County and the RPO should all go the RRmPA because, to my knowledge, they don’t have an RPO or a covered hopper in pennsy colors. (The one in PC doesn’t count.)


I respectfully disagree with you here. Penn Central is part of our railroad history for good or bad. Without PC there would have been no Conrail which is a railfan favorite despite obliterating the heritage of seven major Eastern railroads in the years after 1976. I see no problem in RRMPA having PC represented in the form of one nicely restored covered hopper. It's not like most everything at RRMPA is marked for PC - PRR still dominates in the collection and there are those who think PRR is overrepresented being this is supposed to be a museum that covers ALL railroads in Pennsylvania, not just the PRR.

If you feel so strongly about having the Pennsy covered hopper, the Philadelphia County and the RPO go to RRMPA I'm sure they will welcome your purchase, donation and transport of said items to Strasburg. However I think they have more than enough to care for now as witnessed by the recent move of Nickel Plate Road 757 to Bellevue, Ohio when it was deaccessioned from the RRMPA collection despite the fact NKP did operate in the state of Pennsylvania.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:44 am 

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Robert J wrote:
I respectfully disagree with you here. Penn Central is part of our railroad history for good or bad. Without PC there would have been no Conrail which is a railfan favorite despite preserving the heritage of seven major Eastern railroads in the years after 1976.


Fixed that for ya!


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:42 am 

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Ed Kapuscinski wrote:
Robert J wrote:
I respectfully disagree with you here. Penn Central is part of our railroad history for good or bad. Without PC there would have been no Conrail which is a railfan favorite despite WIPING OUT the heritage of seven major Eastern railroads in the years after 1976.


Fixed that for ya!


And I have fixed this for you.

If you were around in the early years of Conrail you were aware of the many multiple tracked mainlines that still had towers and railroad structures present. Thanks to the 'scorched earth' approach of Conrail all this changed with their track rationalization, signal upgrades and demolition of many structures.

I always found it interesting how railfans love Conrail while bemoaning the lack of towers, depots, multiple track mainlines, etc. which were much more prevalent on the railroads that made up Conrail. In other words Penn Central, Erie Lackawanna, etc. were all closer to the 1940's-1950's railroading many railfans love than Conrail ever was. And yes, I realize all this had to change otherwise Conrail would have failed as well. I refer you to Rush Loving's book "The Men Who Loved Trains" which covers all this in detail so you can learn about this era in our railroad history.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 11:23 am 

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While it would be nice to see the H34 go to a good home, there is already an H34 preserved at the RRMoPA. I believe there is another H34 preserved at the NCTM.

The major loss from this set, if they were to be scrapped, would be the GN steam generator and the NKP Baldwin. I think almost everything else here has a sister piece of equipment preserved somewhere.

Also, going off the Conrail comments. Conrail was both good and bad. For those who grew up along the PRR lines west, Erie, or the NYC Canada Southern, Conrail brought the end of the routes as mainlines. Mass consolidation and hard decisions left a horrid taste in the mouth of many. Additionally, not much got out to be preserved at the get-go when many of the 1st and early 2nd gen locomotives got the axe.

Conrail did save the general landscape of northeastern railroading. Conrail also came around to donating equipment after it was privatized. It's still fondly remembered by many as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 11:24 am 

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BigBoy 4023 wrote:
The up coming auction is something of a disappointment really. I thought all of the diesels had been accounted for and would be moving on to new homes. I don't know about anyone else? I am tired of this saga.

For what it's worth, I decided to reach out to SMS Rail in NJ again about the Baldwin #99. I don't have much hope for it though. There has been a couple Baldwin switchers scrapped in recent years do to a lack of interest and the difficulty in finding parts for them.

Robert


Robert, details please on this Baldwin engine.

Thanks

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 1:21 pm 

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So... back to the topic - Does anyone know what is the deal with this equipment? Did buyers eyes exceed their stomach? (able to buy but not to move?) Was there a deadline that has passed to get purchases out? any official word from the city of Noblesville?

I see the auction is less than a month out, again not much time to make plans. From the pictures it does not look like all the equipment still onsite is listed for auction, at least not yet. Also Ozark does not appear to list terms like how long buyers have to remove purchases.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 2:44 pm 

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Says in listing...
Must be off property by September 12th 2019.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 3:06 pm 

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" details please on this Baldwin engine"

This Baldwin VO was never an NHP locomotive, just painted like an NKP engine.

This Baldwin came from Crane Naval Depot in southern Indiana at a time when you could still move locomotive friction bearings.


This was a very good running locomotive, until they ran it in the snow and grounded out 2 traction motors. To the best of my knownledge, the traction motors have never been repaired.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 3:31 pm 

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The "NKP" 44 tonner was originally built for the Boyne City Railroad, correct?


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