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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:24 pm 

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The railroad isn’t leaving anytime soon. It’s just some of the loudest voices are the ones with the biggest negative opinions on the railroad. While I understand some of the arguments they make, they don’t necessarily understand the charm of what the people come for. The people come from all over the world to see these rare machines, the size, the smell, and the turning of parts. It’s not the cleanest thing in the world, but it’s certainly better for the environment than having Tour buses drive up and down a mountain. Their idea, while understandable, is shortsighted, and the towns of both Durango and Silverton depend on the railroad to survive. Without that railroad, Durango survives, but in the end becomes nothing more than a truck stop, and Silverton becomes a literal modern ghost town.

The regular steam service isn’t going away to please the never riders. Its unwise to do that.


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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:33 pm 

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Loco112 wrote:
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https://www.facebook.com/DSNGRR/?hc_ref=ARRGgiNuxikJbArX1Jk5cLizaAv8XRwY5EmZFZmrcvB9vbv4hcHuzZuO5xiBJFNOr-s&fref=nf
"The D&SNGRR is investing over $3 million in the two new MP2000NG repowered diesel locomotives, which are being designed around CAT 2000HP engines with GE 764 traction motors to achieve the power and speed required on the steepest grades of the D&SNGRR line. When completed, each locomotive is expected to pull an eight-car consist along the full route from Durango to Silverton and back. The purchase was facilitated by financing arranged by account managers at Durango-based Alpine Bank. The D&SNGRR anticipates taking delivery of the MP2000NG locomotives by late spring of 2019"

Please don't shoot the messenger...


I told everyone this would happen way back in 2008 on NGDF and I got yelled at. This was/is inevitable, steam doesn't help their bottom line, its hurts it, a lot! They could still have steam fan runs that will be more profitable for them, but cost a lot more. That regular steam service will go away, so if you want to ride D&S steam and not pay $400 a ticket, you better go soon. JMHO



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What kind of an operation would maximize their bottom line?


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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:58 pm 

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https://www.facebook.com/DSNGRR/photos/ ... =3&theater
"Introducing the newest diesel locomotive additions to the Durango & Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad arriving Fall 2020!

Here is locomotive No.1202, one of two diesel engines in the final stages of being re-powered by Motive Power & Equipment Solutions. The other diesel will be No. 1201. Currently, we are awaiting completion of the traction motors after which they can be fitted to the truck assemblies and installed. Currently, these two diesel locomotives are scheduled to arrive in Durango later this fall.

Note the bright color scheme which is based on the Rio Grande gold color and the maroon color that the D&S uses on its premium cars. The lettering is a tribute to both the Southern Pacific and Rio Grande styles used in most of the last generation of those color schemes. Note that No. 1202 is currently pictured on standard gauge shop trucks and is without the fuel tank installed.

Upon their arrival in Durango, these locomotives will join the company’s diverse roster of diesel and vintage steam locomotives, and be deployed in multiple operations-supporting and passenger-transporting capacities. Ultimately, the addition of these locomotives to the D&SNGRR fleet gives the railroad more operational depth for greater engine scheduling and maintenance flexibility, and the ability to develop and implement new excursions and special events specifically using these engines."


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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:36 am 

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PMC wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/DSNGRR/photos/a.169541816396575/3850214361662617/?type=3&theater
"Introducing the newest diesel locomotive additions to the Durango & Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad arriving Fall 2020!

Here is locomotive No.1202, one of two diesel engines in the final stages of being re-powered by Motive Power & Equipment Solutions. The other diesel will be No. 1201. Currently, we are awaiting completion of the traction motors after which they can be fitted to the truck assemblies and installed. Currently, these two diesel locomotives are scheduled to arrive in Durango later this fall.

Note the bright color scheme which is based on the Rio Grande gold color and the maroon color that the D&S uses on its premium cars. The lettering is a tribute to both the Southern Pacific and Rio Grande styles used in most of the last generation of those color schemes. Note that No. 1202 is currently pictured on standard gauge shop trucks and is without the fuel tank installed.

Upon their arrival in Durango, these locomotives will join the company’s diverse roster of diesel and vintage steam locomotives, and be deployed in multiple operations-supporting and passenger-transporting capacities. Ultimately, the addition of these locomotives to the D&SNGRR fleet gives the railroad more operational depth for greater engine scheduling and maintenance flexibility, and the ability to develop and implement new excursions and special events specifically using these engines."


Those fools repowered the Alco/MLW units?!?!?

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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:33 pm 

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1201/1202 are "brand new" engines, not the former WP&Y Alco/MLWs.

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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:21 am 

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CREEPING DEATH wrote:
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https://www.facebook.com/DSNGRR/photos/a.169541816396575/3850214361662617/?type=3&theater
"Introducing the newest diesel locomotive additions to the Durango & Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad arriving Fall 2020!
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Brother Death,

If you were to go to the beginning of the thread and work forward you would be aware that 1201 and 1202 were originally going to be numbered 416 and 550, were to be painted a deep forest green, and were due on the property approximately a year ago.

While I had hoped for a somewhat more traditional Rio Grande style scheme (and possibly had suggested using pairs of RS4TCs numbered 4701/02 – 4703/04 et c) I like what I see so far and we already have plans made for late summer.

Now my question for you is this -

Before Brother Harper and his fair lady retired to Colorado he was a very successful commercial real estate developer with his own brokerage, sat on the board of the Florida East Coast, and chaired the board of the Tri-County Commuter Rail Authority (now the South Florida Regional Transportation Authority, aka Tri-Rail).

In the now 25 years or so since they bought the D&SNGRR it has become a highly successful for-profit passenger carrying railroad and the anchor of a rail themed entertainment business. Because it is a financially successful business it is able maintain, rebuild, and replicate the historic fabric which is at its core. In recent years they have successfully weathered fire, flood, and (for now) pestilence and continued to operate. (He has even found the time to write a few children’s books along the way, some of which are themed around the railroad.) You may not like everything he has done but why are you characterizing him as a fool?

GME

Addendum - Received from my lovely granddaughter 5 minutes after I posted:
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Like it?? Right now with those standard gage shop trucks and no fuel tank it looks like one of those Hot Wheels engines Matt and I played with as kids!! its sitting so high it looks like it will start wobbling and fall off the track.

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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:56 am 

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Trainlawyer wrote:
CREEPING DEATH wrote:
PMC wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/DSNGRR/photos/a.169541816396575/3850214361662617/?type=3&theater
"Introducing the newest diesel locomotive additions to the Durango & Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad arriving Fall 2020!
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Those fools repowered the Alco/MLW units?!?!?
CD


You may not like everything he has done but why are you characterizing him as a fool?
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Because there's nothing wrong with a 6-251, especially when equipped with an upgraded turbocharger, and the other repowerings have been widely reported as less than successful.

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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:27 pm 

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For the record, the DL535's still have and will retain, the 251 prime movers.


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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:40 am 

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CREEPING DEATH wrote:
Trainlawyer wrote:
CREEPING DEATH wrote:
Those fools repowered the Alco/MLW units?!?!?
CD

You may not like everything he has done but why are you characterizing him as a fool?

CREEPING DEATH wrote:
Because there's nothing wrong with a 6-251, especially when equipped with an upgraded turbocharger, and the other repowerings have been widely reported as less than successful.

CD
Aww, Death,

Nobody's planning to pull a 251 out of anything and never was. The White Pass units were a lucky find and in a way it's historically appropriate as repayment for the Rio Grande engines which went up there during World War II.

Meanwhile in Durango -Washout cuts off Durango train from Silverton for eight to 16 weeks https://durangoherald.com/articles/329082

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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:12 pm 

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Fairbanks Morse is currently marketing the Alco 251F diesel engine.

FM | ALCO 251F

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I had not checked the link when previewing the post.
The link value had been pasted twice consecutively into the url formula.

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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:29 pm 

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The link in Brian's post above seems to be malformed (missing a colon, perhaps?). If it doesn't work for you, try this one instead:

https://www.fairbanksmorse.com/alco251f


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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:18 am 

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https://www.freightwaves.com/news/rail- ... low-issues
"In court documents, an employee who works for one of Durango’s sister companies drove to the MP&ES site in Greenville in January and noticed that the company’s signs had been removed and the property “appeared to have been deserted for a while.”
What happens to these units (which never operated) will apparently wait for the bankruptcy court to decide.


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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:38 pm 

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There was another thread about DSNG buying new built locomotives. And I said watch out who you deal with. DSNG out 3mil and no locos. Everybody has the next great thing, track record is the only criteria. This company built a narrow gauge locomotive for like the isle of mann railway someplace like that, forget which one, and the locomotive never ran! And that was before DSNG placed the order. Just sorry to see this type of thing happening to anybody


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:55 pm 

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Bet very few steam lovers ever thought the D&S would become a " kissing your sister" operation. Oh well, guess it's better than nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: DSNGRR buying diesel locomotives
PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:04 am 

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dieselloco wrote:
This company built a narrow gauge locomotive for like the isle of mann railway someplace like that, forget which one, and the locomotive never ran! And that was before DSNG placed the order. Just sorry to see this type of thing happening to anybody

A rather sorry tale the Isle of Man one. This (from Wikipedia, but accurate as far as I am aware) states it did work, for a while, but hasn't for some time.....
Built as a replacement for No. 17 Viking it is the first new locomotive to join the fleet since No. 18 Ailsa. The locomotive's underframe, bodywork, engine, generator and controls are brand new. The bogies are modified from a GE industrial locomotive. It is the first locomotive on the Isle of Man Railway to feature a cab at each end, arriving on the Isle of Man in December 2013. Early tests revealed a problem with overheating, and a new prime mover was supplied by the manufacturers under warranty. Further testing saw the locomotive perform several passenger duties, notably at the head of the railway's dining train. It has however, seen very limited service since. It finally entered regular service in August 2019. This, however, only lasted a couple of weeks before a "Power problem" caused it to become stranded in sidings at Castletown. This was its most recent spell in revenue service. Technical issues are understood to included slipped tyres on the wheels, software problems, oil leaks, transmission seizures and traction motor flashovers.

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