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 Post subject: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 Ca. Zephyr Cars
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:32 am 

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From an apparent press release republished at Trains.com:

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PENINSULA, OHIO – Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad today declared success in its first-ever capital campaign with the acquisition of four historic Zephyr passenger cars: dome-coach Silver Lariat, dome-sleeper-observation Silver Solarium, baggage car Silver Peak, and sleepr Silver Rapids.

This addition to the fleet enables CVSR to provide new programming and experiences within Cuyahoga Valley National Park, including 360-degree views in two vista dome cars, and offer a new heritage rail experience that exemplifies the best of transcontinental travel during the 1940s-1960s.

CVSR’s ongoing capital campaign began in late 2016. Through the generous support of individuals, corporations ,and foundations CVSR’s vision to expand, enhance, and preserve its fleet will create new programs for visitors as they experience the beauty and wonder of Cuyahoga Valley National Park’s river valley, canal, and historic villages.

“The acquisition of the Zephyr railcars was a once in a lifetime opportunity,” said President and CEO Joe Mazur. “We not only are preserving history, but giving hundreds of thousands of people the opportunity to have one more way to travel through and experience Cuyahoga Valley National Park.”

The four-car trainset consists of two vista dome cars, a sleeper car and a baggage car. CVSR already owns the Silver Bronco, another vista dome observation car that was part of the original California Zephyr trainset. With this acquisition, CVSR becomes one of the nation’s few railroads in possession of four cars from the original California Zephyr fleet.

The cars, which currently are located in Los Angeles, will be transported via Amtrak and arrive in Cuyahoga Valley in mid-September. The public’s first opportunity to ride these historic cars will be at Steam in the Valley, where they will be pulled by the Nickel Plate Road steam locomotive No. 765. The Zephyr cars will remain on the train being pulled by the 765 for the duration of the Steam in the Valley event (September 21, 22, 23, 28, 29 & 30). They will then be used for CVSR’s excursions and special events.

In addition to the acquired cars, this first-ever capital campaign includes:
• The addition of an Edu-trainment Car that will provide interactive exhibits, programming, and activities for children ages birth to 12 years of age
• An upgrade to an existing dining car to ensure accessibility for disabled customers
• The preservation of CVSR’s fleet of vintage railroad equipment representing the post-war streamlined railroad era

The railroad shared details about its new cars:

• Silver Lariat was built in 1948 by the Budd Co. for the Burlington Route as a dome coach for service on the California Zephyr. A large dining and lounge area seats 42 passengers (36 at tables) and is equipped with a full bar with a freezer capable of storing 200 pounds of ice. From this room, passengers can access the vista dome above, which provides panoramic views and seating for an additional 24 passengers at tables. A unique feature of this train car is The Pony Express, a restored original mural by Mary Louise Lawser that was commissioned by the Burlington Railroad when the car was built. Silver Lariat also features restrooms; a full commercial kitchen with two ranges and two half-size convection ovens; registered monogrammed china service; original white damask California Zephyr table linens; and a full sound system with CD, iPod, and PA.

• Silver Solarium was built in 1948 by the Budd Co. for the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad. It was one of the six dome-sleeper-observation cars specifically built for the California Zephyr. Ownership of the car was transferred to Amtrak in 1970 after more than 20 years of service between Chicago and San Francisco, and Amtrak retired the car in 1980. Silver Solarium was placed in storage for decades and fell into disrepair until Amtrak sold it to a private owner. Today, Silver Solarium has been fully renovated and has been operating as a private car, delighting passengers with stunning views from its vista dome and observation lounge. The car also features three double bedrooms with enclosed toilets, sinks, and showers that sleep up to 11 guests, a drawing room, and a stateroom. The observation lounge seats 11 in classic railroad lounge chairs upholstered in frieze fabric, and the vista dome car seats 24 in booth seating at tables. The Silver Solarium also features a full commercial kitchen with a range that includes a half-size convection oven, an original bar with a carved linoleum façade, and a sound system with CD and iPod.

• Silver Peak was built in 1940 by the Budd Co. for Burlington Route and assigned to the Denver‐Ft. Worth Texas Zephyr. Originally built as a coach-dormitory-baggage car, the coach area was used as the Jim Crow section of the train. When the Jim Crow laws were found to be unconstitutional, it was converted to a full baggage car. The car is equipped with a great deal of storage space; a workshop section that features an 8‐foot work bench with a drill press, bench grinder, band‐type cutoff saw, table saw, and a variety of power and hand tools; and a commercial refrigerator and chest freezer.

• Silver Rapids was built in 1948 by the Budd Co. and served as a transcontinental sleeper car that provided coast to coast transportation for almost 20 years. The car was removed from the California Zephyr service in the 1960s when most transcontinental sleepers were discontinued, and changed ownership from the Pennsylvania Railroad to Amtrak, which retired it in the early 1980s and sold the car to a private owner. After extensive restoration work that included interior and mechanical upgrades, Silver Rapids is now one of the most versatile sleeper cars in service. The car features eight one‐person roomettes, each with a small sofa, folding wash basin, a vanity and large mirror, and a bed that folds out of the wall. Further down the hall are six double bedrooms, each of which sleeps two (one in an upper berth and one in a lower berth), has its own enclosed restroom with folding sink and outlet, and is equipped with either a long sofa or a short sofa and folding chair for relaxing throughout the day. The six double bedrooms can also open up to form three suites that sleep up to four guests each. Other features include a general public toilet and large shower in the main area and a small galley style kitchen.

Dubbed "the most talked about train in America,” the California Zephyr made its inaugural eastbound run on March 20, 1949 with service between San Francisco and Chicago that covered 2,525 miles and took an average of 2.5 days to complete. The train offered an unparalleled leisure travel experience that is perhaps best demonstrated in this 1950s promotional film: https://archive.org/details/70922CaliforniaZephyr. The California Zephyr offered sophisticated dining experiences with linens and china; sleeping compartments that ranged from the elegant staterooms complete with bathrooms, showers, drawing rooms, and bedrooms, to the cozier “roomettes”; and Vista Dome cars with windows on every side—including the ceiling—to provide breathtaking panoramic views of the passing mountains, rivers, and countryside. The California Zephyr operated as a passenger train for 20 years, and its 77 cars were later sold to different companies and private owners. Over the years, the majority of these stainless-steel cars have all but disappeared from America’s railways, having been sold off (often to foreign countries), scrapped, or simply left in storage and fallen into complete disrepair.


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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 D&RGW CZ Cars
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:50 am 

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As a huge D&RGW / CZ fan, and having spent some time early in my career at CVSR, this will definitely warrant further investigation on one of my next trips back to Ohio. This should make for a very striking consist. Here's hoping they don't splatter red and yellow paint all over them, lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 D&RGW CZ Cars
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:38 am 
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Those cars were fixtures of private excursions all over the country (primarily the West coast). I rode in them over Stevens and Stampede Passes, behind Amtrak power and 4449 more than once and saw them on the tail end of the Coast Starlight on several occasions.
Though I'm happy to see they'll still be used after being sold, I'm sad to know I won't be seeing them at mainline speeds anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 D&RGW CZ Cars
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Yeah, as much as Im happy they will still be in use, this one does hurt a little bit. A shortline in Ohio is not exactly their natural habitat. It's also doubtful they will remain in their current, original configuration.

But that's why you gotta enjoy things while you can I suppose!


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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 D&RGW CZ Cars
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:57 am 

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Are there any plans to restore the original CZ seating arrangement in the domes?

While the current arrangement (tables with two passengers facing each other across each table) is OK for eating, it is rather cramped for tall people for long periods.


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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 D&RGW CZ Cars
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:50 pm 

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Not much will change from the current seating arrangements and the tables will still be in the domes. At least that's the last of what I am aware of.

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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 D&RGW CZ Cars
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:07 pm 

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While the basis for the article is the CVSR press release, there is a little more detail in Craig Sanders' blog post on this for the Akron Railroad Club blog on Wordpress.com:

https://akronrrclub.wordpress.com/2018/ ... phyr-cars/

Upshot: The cars will keep their current configurations. The sleeper will remain a sleeper, will not be used for that kind of service, but for educational purposes. The dome diners will be used to expand and enhance dinner train service, and I'm sure all the cars will receive the red and yellow headliner and name board lettering that Silver Bronco has, which is not distasteful, and would probably keep their Art Deco style numbering.

It's interesting to note that this is the second time that passenger train service in the Cuyahoga Valley has featured a former "Jim Crow" car. During the Midwest Railway Historical Foundation/Cuyahoga Valley Line era, from the mid-'70's to the mid-'80's (before the former PRR P70 coaches were acquired), the consist featured a former N&W combine that had a small, walled off section next to the baggage compartment that was probably the "colored" seating section, although at the time Midwest was using it, it was considered a smoking section. My understanding is that that car did not survive.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:41 pm 

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Not to be nit-picky but these cars are not ex-D&RGW cars. As shown in the original post three of them are ex-CB&Q cars and the Silver Rapids is the really rare ex-PRR car.
It's great that the Cuyahoga also has the Silver Bronco (which was a D&RGW car). Bringing these cars together is going to make a nice looking train set.

It's too bad that the Western Pacific Railroad Museum wasn't able to get them. They've had plans to collect CZ cars and currently have four of them. Two dome coaches, diner and a dome lounge-dorm.

Who knows, maybe someday the two museums can tream up and run a special of all CZ cars. Add another sleeper and they'll have a full CZ set.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:37 pm 

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I am thrilled to see them get a new home. I rode with Burt and Al for over 14 years when they ran the California Zephyr.
I just checked their website and the sleepers are totally sold out!
I have attached a copy of the story of our last trip on the California Zephyr


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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 D&RGW CZ Cars
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:13 pm 

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Al Stangenberger wrote:
Are there any plans to restore the original CZ seating arrangement in the domes?

While the current arrangement (tables with two passengers facing each other across each table) is OK for eating, it is rather cramped for tall people for long periods.

Bert and Al finally fixed the seating in the domes. The original design had fixed armrests, and it was a PITA to get into the seats. They change the armrests so they were moveable.


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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 D&RGW CZ Cars
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:39 am 

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PaulWWoodring wrote:
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It's interesting to note that this is the second time that passenger train service in the Cuyahoga Valley has featured a former "Jim Crow" car. During the Midwest Railway Historical Foundation/Cuyahoga Valley Line era, from the mid-'70's to the mid-'80's (before the former PRR P70 coaches were acquired), the consist featured a former N&W combine that had a small, walled off section next to the baggage compartment that was probably the "colored" seating section, although at the time Midwest was using it, it was considered a smoking section. My understanding is that that car did not survive.


Pretty sure this is the same combine that ended up on the Queen Anns's Railroad in Delaware back in the 1990's....by the late 90's, it operated without iits windows as an "open car" which ultimately did the car in. It was scrapped along with a PRR MP54 and I believe a NYC coach.


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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 Ca. Zephyr Cars
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Midwest Chapter started taking windows out of the car in the 1980's because it's early AC system had quit working, but never more than 4-6 scattered windows were taken out at any one time. The entire train set used steam heat as long as Mikado 4070 operated as power, usually only the last few weekends of the season in October and early November.

Hopefully this photo of the combine from 1980 comes through. Taken by my friend Bob Farkas at Akron before Northside station was built. This would have been east of the platform. Car is bracketed by MRHF's ex-NYC RPO and one of their ex-Erie 1000's on a day when 4070 had a mechanical problem and a Chessie Geep filled in.

http://refarkas.rrpicturearchives.net/s ... id=3367544


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 Post subject: Re: Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Acquires 4 Ca. Zephyr Cars
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:17 pm 

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UPDATE:

https://www.facebook.com/larhf/photos/a ... =3&theater

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[The four] ex-California Zephyr cars will leave California Monday evening [Sept. 10th] behind the eastbound Southwest Chief. Privately owned cars Silver Peak, Silver Rapids, Silver Lariat and Silver Solarium will be at the rear of train 4, the eastbound Chief departing Union Station at 6:00 pm. The route includes Fullerton, Riverside, San Bernardino, Barstow and points east to Chicago via Arizona, New Mexico & the midwest. The Chief trainset will be moved to Union Station along the LA River an hour before departure time. Good luck! Three of the cars are pictured below at Union Station's TrainFest in July (EL photo) The “Silver Fleet” has been sold to the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad in Ohio.


Reports are the cars will be occupied with passengers.


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