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 Post subject: Re: White Pass possibly acquiring new GE Locomotives
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:43 pm 

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The Trucks appear to be Dofasco export trucks, basically the same as those on the WP&Y 114/ USG #111,112,113

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 Post subject: Re: White Pass possibly acquiring new GE Locomotives
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:48 pm 

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WVNorthern wrote:
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There are arguments that only railfans and historians will care about... like TVRM putting modern controls in the E8. But how your locomotive looks on the outside? You better believe it matters! There’s a reason Strasburg locomotives say “Strasburg” on the tender.




I know of at least one Strasburg locomotive that doesn't say "Strasburg" on the tender. Ex-N&W 475.


That was for a photo charter. During the normal season it does say Strasburg. Or at least it has in the past... if that has changed our good friend Kelly will let us know.

Also... was that photo from Monday? If so I was standing close by you!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:18 pm 

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Crescent-Zephyr

The photo was a screen-grab from a video posted to YouTube. I would have liked to get up to Strasburg, but health issues have me pretty well confined to home.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:53 pm 

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It was a great event. I chuckled at the thought of doubleheading those 2 but they were some of my favorite runbys ive ever seen.

Side note- and I’m saying this friendly- photographers GREATLY appreciate it if you give credit when sharing photos. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:43 pm 

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I don't suppose folks have looked at the cruse ships that bring the guests to the railroad?

None of them look like a classic ocean liner.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:26 pm 

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They may have had little choice, their Alcos were getting long in the tooth, Richard Zmijewski posted this photo on facebook: "Too little, too late for us. On our vacation last summer the lead loco caught fire several miles out of Skagway. The crew cut it off and pulled ahead. The trailing unit pushed the train back to Skagway, where it was aborted. All we got was a short trip and a full refund. Bummer." The alternative is to do a full rebuild of the Alcos obviously, but the chance to tack these new units onto an existing Australian order proved too compelling


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The most "classic ocean liner." I can think of was CPR's TEV Princess Patricia which was actually built in 1948-1949 for Vancouver-Victoria-Seattle "Triangle Service."

CPR refitted "Princess Pat" for 8-day Vancouver-Skagway-Vancouver Summer cruising. She was withdrawn in 1981, served as a hotel ship for Expo 86 and was broken up in 1989.

To put things in perspective, WP&Y 73 is less then 2 years older.

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 Post subject: Re: White Pass possibly acquiring new GE Locomotives
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:07 pm 

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choodude wrote:
I don't suppose folks have looked at the cruse ships that bring the guests to the railroad?

None of them look like a classic ocean liner.

Brian


#1 - This is not true. Disney Cruise Line ships, which are some of the most profitable per ship, were designed specifically to look like classic ocean liners.

"You have to develop a ship that looks like a ship" - then Disney CEO Michael Eisner.

"the imagineers embarked on their assignment - conjure the art deco romance of past ocean liners." - Imagineering Story.

And #2 - the ships that do not look like classic ocean liners were still designed by highly paid ship designers to represent the brand of the company that they are serving. They didn't buy on to an existing freight-liner order and modify them for passenger service.


Again that's a bigger point and food for thought in operating a tourist / entertainment operation. I personally think these locomotives work with the White Pass brand.. they look pretty good in the paint scheme they chose.


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Crescent-Zephyr wrote:
Again that's a bigger point and food for thought in operating a tourist / entertainment operation. I personally think these locomotives work with the White Pass brand.. they look pretty good in the paint scheme they chose.


I'm going to stick my head out of the hole and broadcast to a wide audience that I expect that in the future, originally 2-3 years after these diesels entered service, now postponed by COVID, that we would see a sightseeing car like the Bernina Express cars on the RhB.

I will now withdraw into my frozen hole in Alaska...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:42 pm 

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That’s certainly possible. Also possible that they could create a car like the Knight Sky in Durango. It’s “modern” but it fits the brand and image of D&S. I’m always torn between the knight sky and Coach.... I like to be in the closest coach to the locomotive to hear her work up the grade... but I can the locomotive better around the curves further back and see the scenery so much better in the knight sky. That’s why you can’t just ride one time when you’re out there! :)


Back to your point, I actually think a modern 1st class sightseeing train would be a good 3rd brand for white pass. The steam train, the current diesel train with “historic” coaches and a modern 1st class train. Make a big deal about the observation windows and 1st class service, cruise line passengers would eat that up.


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WVNorthern wrote:
Crescent-Zephyr wrote:

There are arguments that only railfans and historians will care about... like TVRM putting modern controls in the E8. But how your locomotive looks on the outside? You better believe it matters! There’s a reason Strasburg locomotives say “Strasburg” on the tender.




I know of at least one Strasburg locomotive that doesn't say "Strasburg" on the tender. Ex-N&W 475.


It didn't say "Strasburg" on the tender for a year because of the N&W Reunion of Steam. The rest of the time...


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:16 pm 

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Crescent-Zephyr wrote:
choodude wrote:
I don't suppose folks have looked at the cruse ships that bring the guests to the railroad?

None of them look like a classic ocean liner.



#1 - This is not true. Disney Cruise Line ships, which are some of the most profitable per ship, were designed specifically to look like classic ocean liners.



Well, maybe in the same way Chicago's rebuilt Soldier Field looks like a traditional stadium or a classical coliseum, save for the spaceship that has landed on top of it. The Disney ships look like oceangoing apartment buildings. Not unattractive really, just not very traditional.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:56 pm 

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Agreed.... as I quoted “conjure the Art Deco romance of past ocean liners”

Historically they are not classic ocean liners... they conjure the feel of them. That’s what I’m saying.... on brand.

Branding is so important. That’s the point.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:10 pm 

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The first engine was delivered to Skagway today.

Via WP&Y's Facebook page :https://www.facebook.com/134141213264664/posts/3129283290417093/

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Also rumors popping up today that Durango & Silverton has in turn bought a pair of the DL535's from WP&Y.

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