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 Post subject: C&O 2001
PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:15 pm 

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A couple years ago a friend of mine showed me a collection of railroad pictures he picked up at an auction. I would say that there is well over a thousand small, b&w photos almost exclusively of steam locos. In the short time I had to look through them he said I could keep a handfull. I grabbed the ones that stuck out to me and that was that. Recently I had been looking at one photo in particular (which I had chosen more for the setting than the loco) and tried to do some research on the loco. C&O 2001, which is a beautifully proportioned 2-10-2 that I can find no info on. From what I have read, C&O never owned a 2-10-2 outside of what they aquired from the PM, and those were numbered differently. Is this an experimental built from a 2-10-0 or 2-10-4? The picture was taken at Potomac Yard, VA.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:53 pm 

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http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4450297

"Here is another 1918 Baldiwn 2-10-2 originally built for the Chicago & Eastern Illinoi sold to the C&O in 1945. Specs - C&EI class O-1, 63" drivers, 200 psi boiler pressure, 30x32" cylinders, engine weight of 377,300 lb, and tractive effort of 77.714 lb. No date or location given for this photo so approxiamte location and date were used. Unknown photo."


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"According to SteamLocomotives.com, "the Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railroad bought seven "Santa Fe" type locomotives from the Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1918. These 2-10-2s were designated as Class O-1 and were given road numbers 2000 through 2006. They had 63" diameter drivers, 30" x 32" cylinders, a 200 psi boiler pressure, exerted 77,714 pounds of tractive effort and each weighed 377,300 pounds. The combined heating surface was 6,616 square feet and the piston valves were 15" in diameter." After dealing with slippage and slow speeds, C&EI sold this unit to the C&O in 1945.It was eventually scrapped in 1951. No photographer listed for this photo."


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:29 pm 

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Interesting- looks pretty much like a USRA heavy 2-10-2, and it may be one.

What is odd is the C&EI selling off 2-10-2's in the 1940's when they continued to acquire very similar ones (from the ACL) into the 1950's. The ACL engines had been rebalanced and equipped with Baldwin disk main drivers by the time the C&EI acquired them.

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 Post subject: Re: C&O 2001
PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:57 pm 

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Hugh, you answered your own question.

It might have been interesting to see the 'balancing beauty treatment' applied to the C&EI engines in the immediate postwar period, particularly as their valves were already adequate for higher-speed steam flow. Would need little more than a new disc main, better rods and pins, and some care in distributing overbalance in the coupled wheels adjacent to the main, perhaps following the principles Voyce Glaze used on the N&W.

Unless I am mistaken, 2001 is notable for another reason: it has a 'first-generation' Delta cast-frame trailing truck, showing the enormous differences between the initial conception and the better version that followed not too long after.

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 Post subject: Re: C&O 2001
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:50 am 

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I am shooting from the hip here, but the answer you seek is in the book "C&O Power"

I am pretty sure that the C&O acquired a hand full of 2-10-2's from some north eastern road during or right after WWII. They were used almost exclusively between Charlottesville VA and Potomac Yard. Maybe venturing down toward Richmond VA.

I am thinking they might have come from the Lackawanna?

There also seems to me to be a group of 2-10-2's with a different heritage that showed up at the west end of the railroad and got used in yard and transfer service.

Ben

PS I was off on the engine numbers, 2001 is new to me.

This is the class I was thinking of http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4280782


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 Post subject: Re: C&O 2001
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:46 am 

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From the photo provided, the engine smoke box and the Vanderbilt tender bears a resemblance to the Erie R-1. 2-10-2 class. See Erie Power, p.157 to see what I mean. Caption under top photo on the page says this class was scrapped pior to and during WW2. Maybe the power hungry C&O picked some cheap used power to tide them over till new engines could be built. As for the tender, I reailze that the Erie engines used a smaller tender ( 2 axle trucks vs. 3) than the C&O engine. I don't have access to a C& O roster to check my suspicion.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:05 am 

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I seem to remember a Vanderbilt C&O tender from a 2-10-2, still existing somewhere out east. Could that be from this locomotive?


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 Post subject: Re: C&O 2001
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:21 am 

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Overmod wrote:
Hugh, you answered your own question.

It might have been interesting to see the 'balancing beauty treatment' applied to the C&EI engines in the immediate postwar period, particularly as their valves were already adequate for higher-speed steam flow. Would need little more than a new disc main, better rods and pins, and some care in distributing overbalance in the coupled wheels adjacent to the main, perhaps following the principles Voyce Glaze used on the N&W.

Unless I am mistaken, 2001 is notable for another reason: it has a 'first-generation' Delta cast-frame trailing truck, showing the enormous differences between the initial conception and the better version that followed not too long after.

Ex Lehigh Valley locomotives with new tenders.


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 Post subject: Re: C&O 2001
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:01 pm 

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Thank you for all the info. It is interesting how railroads swapped power back in the day. It is interesting that the first picture posted is the same photo I have cropped differently.


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 Post subject: Re: C&O 2001
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:05 pm 

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lmckay175 wrote:
I seem to remember a Vanderbilt C&O tender from a 2-10-2, still existing somewhere out east. Could that be from this locomotive?


Perhaps you're thinking of the Old Dominion Chapter, NRHS in the Richmond area. They have a large vandy tender at their Hallsboro yard. Don't have a photo handy. It has been used to store water when they've run their 0-6-0.

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 Post subject: Re: C&O 2001
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:26 pm 

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I think Ben True may be thinking of the ex-Lehigh Valley locomotives, but those most certainly didn't come to C&O in the Forties.

LV built these (showing their very distinctive style details) immediately after WW1, but got rid of them in a SHORT time (about a year) for inability to run quickly enough. They were sold to the Hocking Valley, and the C&O inherited them in 1930. They apparently survived to the early Fifties, so were far from failures, and it would be interesting to see what, if anything, was done to decrease their augment or increase their working speed.

Could he be thinking of the two "O-2"s that came from the Wabash to C&EI circa 1942 and were then 'flipped' to C&O in 1945?

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