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 Post subject: J&L Steel Works info/diagrams/etc.
PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 12:31 am 

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I am running a project in the Trainz virtual railroad simulator, where me and a few friends are building the loco (me) the rollingstock (maybe me or a friend). I was wondering if anyone (I know Rick Rowlands is on here) had diagrams or good "builder's photo" style images of any of the cars the 58 might have ever pulled. Also, i was wondering if anyone had a map of the whole Jones and Laughlin plant, specifying the 23"ng. Maybe some good pics of the buildings, too. Any recommendations on variables like time? i would like to represent it around the era of what you can see on Google.

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 Post subject: Re: J&L Steel Works info/diagrams/etc.
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 5:59 pm 

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You might try the Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps which are now online at the Library of Congress.

Although J & L was probably self insuring to some degree Sanborn did include railroad properties and structures on the maps as they affected the fire coverage of near by structures.

I have copies of several Sanborn Maps which illustate the C & O Railway at Hinton, WV.


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:45 pm 

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TrainMan05 wrote:
I am running a project in the Trainz virtual railroad simulator, where me and a few friends are building the loco (me) the rollingstock (maybe me or a friend). I was wondering if anyone (I know Rick Rowlands is on here) had diagrams or good "builder's photo" style images of any of the cars the 58 might have ever pulled.
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You could try emailing Rick directly.


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 8:13 pm 

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Wayne Cole did a book on the J&L plant a couple years ago, it had some information on the 23" gauge; however I don't think he was able to find the same level of detail about the narrow gauge here as he found about Alliquippa. Too much area and too many years to cover in the several hundred pages available. If you're interested in the plant, by all means get a copy.


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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 7:51 am 

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Thanks for the tip, and I did email Rick directly.
Thanks,

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:20 am 

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Finding information about what the inside of the South Side of the Pittsburgh Works looked like is extremely difficult. I have not found much at all.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:39 am 

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Ah, makes sense. In trainz, though, we can use a very generalized view (the inside of any generic steel works would be ideal) and nobody would know any better. Honestly, the full details aren't as important right now, what is more important is getting the general layout in. if you have a track plan for the whole thing, it would be perfect. If not, I understand. I like the J&L because, for lack of better terms, it is weird. A 23" gauge steel railroad using bricks for steam locomotives :P . Plus, I've always liked the vibe of steel mills, and this one has an operating engine.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 9:13 am 

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These are about the only trackplans that I have found. The narrow gauge served the old open hearth furnace plant moving charging boxes of scrap in and ingots out, as well as running in and around the oldest part of the plant which consisted of a blooming mill and a few smaller rolling mills. If that track plan is accurate it shows some very innovative and weird track configurations. Horseshoe curves, diamonds in switches, standard and narrow gauge crossings etc.


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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 1:08 pm 

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Rick, from the looks of the first map, you got that map from a website or historical map. could you link that, or am I wrong?

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 5:05 pm 

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The one thing that I need to finish the model to my liking is some cab interior pics. anyone have some of those?
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 5:39 pm 

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The topographic map Rick attached to his message comes from a collection of such maps prepared by the City of Pittsburgh back in the day. The University of Pittsburgh has them up on a website:

https://historicpittsburgh.org/maps-geotopo

The individual sheets start with #1 in Downtown and radiate out clockwise from there. The J&L South Side works are on sheets 12 and 29.

It used to be possible to download individual maps, but Pitt apparently got greedy and all you can do now is take screen snapshots.

Be prepared to expend not just hours, but DAYS exploring these maps! ;^)

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Thanks a lot! The only things I need for the project right now are some cab interior shots (if possible), and some underside (running gear, tubing, etc) shots. If these are at all possible, it would be amazing. Thanks very much,

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:57 am 

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And, if there are any better pics of the Original tender of the class, it would be greatly appreciated.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:00 pm 

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TrainMan05 wrote:
And, if there are any better pics of the Original tender of the class, it would be greatly appreciated.

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If you are talking about the 58 and her numerous sisters, there were no tenders. There were strategically placed piles of coal all around the mill,as was water available to replenish the saddletank from standpipes with hoses.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:04 pm 

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With all due respect, i must direct you to this: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/a ... j-l-59.jpg

This picture shows 59 with a tender. Also, what were the numbers of the locos similar to 58? I know there was a 57 and 59, but were there any more?

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