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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:25 pm 

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6808 is also known as “Chrome Yellow” or “Medium Chrome Yellow” or “National School Bus Yellow”. Look at a school bus and you’ll know 6808. P&WV is another RR that used it on both steam and diesels.

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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:42 pm 

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One of our Alphabet Route buddies, Eric. Thanks!!!

Before I went off on those ag greens there for second or two, you were talking about hand lettering and stenciling. This pic was taken in early 1975 when the remaining FP-7's were being repainted by the Reading for the second and final time. In contrast to way they were redone the first time around, here they're going around the existing lettering with the green. The stripes are finished but they didn't get to the grabs and handrails as of yet, either. I guess #900 had to be back at work early Monday morning so maybe next weekend...

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2795435

I am starting to notice you can almost tell if it's the original EMD paint job or not on the cab units, even in B&W pics, by how crisp and uniform the lettering and striping is. Got a little work to do as far as the yellows go on the F's but the first two paint jobs do look like the real Imitation Gold at this point. 93-242 isn't quite out of the picture yet, however. Those two colors are too darn close on old pics to get very brave right now. I wouldn't have a problem killing off another year and a couple more corona bucks doing this, anyway. LOL

Now for another striping and lettering color match, 95-018-M Maroon looks just like 93-3516-M, GMC Permanent Red...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:02 am 

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Yeah, I should've called it Brockway Truck "Chrome Yellow" because that's what it says on the chip sheet although the term "chrome" can be used to loosely describe any high-visibility yellow, similar to what we've seen with "Pullman Green" and "Imitation Gold". LOL DuPont labels Federal Truck Yellow "Chrome" in my 1954 chip book.

Brockway calls their green "Chrome Green" also. It's very similar to 1317.

On the striping and lettering chart, I have the last two matches. 95-064 Dark Blue is the equivalent of 93-2063, Fruehauf Blue, no surprise there, and 95-015 Dark Green is Federal Truck Green, 93-23792, Plate #118.

Turns out the green pop-up insert on the lemon juice cap from earlier does match Meadow Green. There again, since it is plastic instead of paint and like the Tyco body shell, it requires a four-way alignment between the light source, the chip, the insert, and your eyeball. Very difficult to capture on camera.

I have come up with a good method to tell the Narva Green and Woodfield apart on old color pics of the Reading's cab units. I'll divulge the secret after I post a few of each.

And finally this morning, here's another great alternative example of 014 Imitation Gold which can still be found just about anywhere on old seventies and eighties Chevy truck hubcaps. DuPont 5500 Yellow Gold is a Chevrolet/GMC truck body color from the same era but that one's darker and less yellow just to prevent any confusion there...


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:22 am 

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Suddenly, the "minor" shade difference between 014 Imitation Gold and Ford Sandpiper Yellow became too major to further ignore but I did find a PPG code for the hubcaps. I believe that's supposed to be "Ochre".

Now there's a color with a fairly wide range... LOL

https://simplicable.com/new/ochre-color


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:23 pm 

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So after all that, I think I'll stick with 93-242 as my lettering and striping color for all the pre-1962 Reading diesel paint jobs. 014 Imitation Gold is just too dark and too brown.

One of these days, I'll pick up a 1 Shot paint chart and compare the chips with DuPont's. Apparently, 1 Shot is a PPG product and has been the only major brand of lettering and striping paint on the market for over 40 years now. DuPont probably dropped that Dulux line along with the 93-series at around the same time. If 1 Shot's line is consistent with the old standard fleet colors like DuPont's, both Imitation Golds should match.

Encycolorpedia does have 1 Shot's version of Imitation Gold represented on their site if anyone needs a computer version of the color...

https://encycolorpedia.com/ce8911

Dodge Truck Brite Yellow and Bachman Pretzel Yellow are still valid but since we can't really call 242 "Imitation Gold" any longer, how about "Kraft Yellow"?... LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:43 am 

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It's always nice to catch all three Reading yellows in one shot even if they're a bit advanced in age. I probably mentioned it before, but GMC Venetian Yellow is just the next darkest shade of Kraft Yellow and Venetian Yellow can look a lot like 5248 when it's fresh or faded.

I'd like to thank the guys who ran #469 for cleaning off a portion of the road number for me and here are all the formerly-available Sherwin-Williams Formula Express codes for Bachman Pretzel Yellow...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:09 am 

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Painting the locomotives' yellow a shade darker than the freight cars would be a neat little trick to emphasize the engines as well as allowing the continued use of what had essentially become a "traditional" Reading yellow. This jives with my personal recollection along with this old Reading publicity photo which I believe was taken on the Warren St. bypass...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:22 pm 

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Uh oh, this one here might be hard to dispute... LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:25 pm 

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NVPete wrote:
Uh oh, this one here might be hard to dispute... LOL

I’d be careful with that one. It’s a very low resolution image that looks like a copy of a printed image. Printed images are done with four ink colors.

The yellow difference in your recollections could be due to batch, shop, quality, manufacturer, viewing angle or paint age differences. Yellows and reds weathered into lighter shades a little faster than than other colors before the later additions of UV stabilizers in the binders. I’d bet the farm that any shade differences of the same color weren’t done on purpose. It’s an added expense to simultaneously stock different pigment mixes that are only a shade off and has no reason to be from a marketing standpoint. Over time, railroads generally simplified their paint schemes to save money.

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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:29 pm 

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RDG 469 is very nicely worn and faded.

The engine was a mainstay of RDG's Main Line and Bethlehem Branch passenger service, geared for 65 mph, with dual controls, cab signals and steam generator.

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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:18 am 

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By the time Conrail rolled around, Eric, it was getting hard to tell what yellow was supposed to be what. The original factory locomotive paint held up relatively well but a lot of the shop jobs deteriorated much faster. We'll see the same occur with the F units here shortly as well. LOL

I figure since it was a publicity pic, the Reading posed equipment that was all new and shiny. It was taken right here, BTW, and the highway was also new at the time so it may not have been opened yet...

https://goo.gl/maps/h9eTX1SMhtvgNv9N7

I don't recall ever seeing those boxcars with yellow stirrup steps, though, and I never saw a truck trailer that looked like that, either.

Phil, there's a nice shot of a nice-looking #469 in fmnut's Reading Shops video on YouTube pushing dead steamers around right at about 9:45. The paler yellow does show up nice there and on quite a few of the other engines seen, both steam and diesel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Qlopeli-w

That Brockway Chrome Green Medium, 93-71703-H, Plate #106, is the next green chip on the next page following 93-1317. Of course, I got curious to see how close it may match the Southern's 93-5800 considering it's adjacent to 1317 on the 1969 Paintref DuPont chart. Might be worth looking into further here eventually...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:15 pm 

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Okay, I know this one's going to be a completely surreal posting but this is what happens when I sit down and watch network television with the lovely wife on a Monday night...

Pic #1: The Austin (Texas) Fire Department's shield in what appears to be Kraft Yellow.

Pic #2: The real deal AFD Rescue 14. The unit numbers and striping look like either 014 Imitation Gold or that Frito-Lay Ford Sandpiper Yellow.

Pic #3: Rob Lowe and the 9-1-1 Lone Star version of an AFD truck with the fake logo in perhaps Kraft Yellow and Venetian Yellow striping.

Pretty screwed up, huh? LOL Relevant nonetheless!!!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:32 pm 

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The view of 469 moving dead steamers is in the early-mid 1950's. Steamers look to be two I-9 2-8-0's in one scene and a B-9 0-6-0 and a N-1 2-8-8-0 in the other. Note that 0-6-0T 1251 is on a shop track watching. (10:53) Must have been off that day.

Did you notice the scene of T-1 2113 backing out of the roundhouse, taking a spin on the turntable and heading out? Starts around 8:00 They had washed the tender and cab sides in the house first! The turntable was 100 feet but the roundhouse stalls were shorter. I think it was built in the USRA era.

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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:27 pm 

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Good old train vids always beat watching network television, Phil, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. LOL Definitely a nice broadside shot of #2113. Beautiful locomotives those T-1's are, yessir.

I remember Bill Saylor of Channel 8 in Lancaster doing a filmed report on the stored Alcos and others after the big traffic downturn. They might have it at Millersville with the rest of the WGAL archives.

The "Main Line Memories" video is really good also. You can see some half-decent color there including the different greens on the F's and a good shot of the building yellow on the freight station at Lorane at 3:55...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7t16jz4qtM

Back to business here, I'm going to scratch the Brockway green as a possible 5800 mostly because I actually found what may be the missing link chip as a color called Highway Trailer Milori Green Light located in the 11-A supplement book. It's a hair darker than 1317 and missing that slight grayish cast 1317 exhibits. The DuPont code is 93-70093 and the PPG code is another low one, 40001.

Diamond T also used a color called Milori Green, 93-1590, as a trim color back in thirties and forties. The early fifties Diamond T colors were not included in the 1954 book so now I've got some more chips coming in the mail to help out with that. For the forties colors, I had to go with Acme chips because the guy wanted way too much for the DuPont ones. LOL

Here's the 93-1590 Milori Green chip off eBay and 93-70093 seems to be able to slip in there right where a 5800 should be so we'll see about this one...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:38 pm 

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Another user of 93-5800 was Union Carbide's Linde Air Products, now known as Praxair. These cars were unique because they contained the tank for the liquefied gas inside the boxcar body which is a little different than today's bomb trains. The gray was 93-72092, Ford Polar Gray, Plate #144...


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